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May 21, 2013 6:16:53 AM

Hi there guys

I'm just in the process of building my first gaming PC, I'm compiling the parts and I'm looking to put it together in about 3 weeks after my exams at university!

This is my part list so far:

CPU: NOT PURCHASED! - Was looking at the i5 3570K, considered buying one second hand?? Or wait for the new Haswell i5?

CPU Cooler: NOT PURCHASED - Unsure here, I'm being steered towards the coolermaster evo 212 by community members, and I'd love to OC, but if i decided on a new Haswell would it even fit?

GPU: Nvidia GTX670 EVGA

Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK
http://www.ebuyer.com/366005-asus-p8z77-v-lk-intel-3rd-...
I was recommended this by a friend, unsure about it still though due to reviews, but I've already bought it and perhaps I can get my money back and get a Z78 board for a similar price??

Memory:
Patriot 8GB Division 2 viper Extreme DDR3-2400MHz Picked up almost new off ebay for £30 (I think I got a good deal? and a good brand?)

Case: NOT PURCHASED!

Power Supply: Corsair GS800

Optical Drive: Not Purchased... probably going to rip it out of an old PC haha

SSD Got a Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, which i intend to use for everything - I don't store songs and all I'll have on here is games and Windows 7 so I think I'll do fine with it :D 


So essentially, I'm reading that these new Haswell CPU's will be the same price as current ones and their advantages will be:

Better efficiency - I don't really care about this...
Better in-built graphics - I'll be using my GPU
any others???

So basically my main question is, SHOULD I return my board at the cost of perhaps some hassle and hope that I can spend the same on a new one and the equivalent i5 to the 3570K? or SHOULD I just get the ivy bridge and make it last until the NEXT generation of cores?


Thank you so much for your time answering these questions

fluke
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May 21, 2013 6:29:23 AM

Well, I seem to remember Haswell is somewhat better, but not much. Unlikely to be worth the extra cost, but you'll probably be able to get a Broadwell chip (depending on how the whole BGA situation pans out), and I can imagine games getting more CPU intensive now that the new consoles have turned up/are turning up.

That's an awesome deal on the RAM.
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May 21, 2013 6:37:04 AM

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Well, I seem to remember Haswell is somewhat better, but not much. Unlikely to be worth the extra cost, but you'll probably be able to get a Broadwell chip (depending on how the whole BGA situation pans out), and I can imagine games getting more CPU intensive now that the new consoles have turned up/are turning up.

That's an awesome deal on the RAM.


Hey mate, thanks for replying

I've never overclocked anything before, but I'd say I'm reasonably tech-savvy and could manage it haha, do you think (for gaming that is) I'd be able to simply overclock the i5 3570K until the 'skylake' processors come out? It'd save me a lot of hassle in getting the board i've already (unfortunately) purchased returned. I see everywhere that it's rare for a CPU to be a gaming-system bottleneck?



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May 21, 2013 6:55:39 AM

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Hey mate, thanks for replying

I've never overclocked anything before, but I'd say I'm reasonably tech-savvy and could manage it haha, do you think (for gaming that is) I'd be able to simply overclock the i5 3570K until the 'skylake' processors come out? It'd save me a lot of hassle in getting the board i've already (unfortunately) purchased returned. I see everywhere that it's rare for a CPU to be a gaming-system bottleneck?


- Return your motherboard, wait till June, and get Haswell. A free 5-15% increase and you won't do it because it's "hassle"? Not to be offensive, but that's sortof lazy...
- CPU is rarely the bottleneck. But that isn't a very good excuse for not getting the new processor when it's almost the same price and has better performance.
- Overclocking won't save a processor from being obsolete. An overclocked first-gen i5 can still hang with Ivy Bridge processors at stock clock, but step back one generation into the Q6600 and it's simply not up to par. Ivy Bridge will someday share this exact same fate. Haswell is supposed to be an amazing overclocker, so rely on that for overclocking instead of IB and it's heat issues.
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May 21, 2013 7:11:04 AM


No offence taken, and by 'hassle' I mean I'm really not sure if I'll be allowed to return it or not - since i've read your comment, I do hope I can! Do you think that the price range of the new mobo's will be similar to the current price range? I'm hoping to get a CPU and mobo for ~£300.

Also (sorry for the questions - I'm very new to this, but I love to learn) , what new features of these haswell chips will be beneficial to gaming? and will current cooling solutions fit the chipsets?
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May 21, 2013 7:21:23 AM

Cooling stays the same. They have architectural improvements, and higher clock rates.Hopefully the higher TDP means they've stopped using the TIM and gone back to fluxless solder between the die and IHS.

The 8-series chipsets also appear to come with 6x6Gb/s SATA ports, but your main advantage is future proofing. Which may or may not be important, but there's little point in going for old tech.
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May 21, 2013 7:37:13 AM

flukeyjuke said:

No offence taken, and by 'hassle' I mean I'm really not sure if I'll be allowed to return it or not - since i've read your comment, I do hope I can! Do you think that the price range of the new mobo's will be similar to the current price range? I'm hoping to get a CPU and mobo for ~£300.

Also (sorry for the questions - I'm very new to this, but I love to learn) , what new features of these haswell chips will be beneficial to gaming? and will current cooling solutions fit the chipsets?


If you can return it, do it for sure. If you can't then IB is fine, but since there's ~10% performance increase sitting on the table for free, there's no reason now to go for it.

The new mobo's should be in about the same price range as the old ones.

Haswell has newer features like new AVX instruction implementations, transactional memory instruction implementations, and more data registries along with a new ALU function.

Also, OC potential seems to be way up.
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May 21, 2013 7:57:51 AM

Thanks a lot for your replies guys, it's really helpful

I assume the new boards are being released at the same time as the chip-sets? I mean it'd be pretty useless otherwise haha

Are boards/CPU's like GPU's when they're first released - i.e difficult to get your hands on for a little while? And I know I've asked it before (not sure if you saw it) would current CPU coolers work with the new chipset sizes? Or will there be a new set of those - optimized to 1150 chips?
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May 21, 2013 8:08:48 AM

flukeyjuke said:
Thanks a lot for your replies guys, it's really helpful

I assume the new boards are being released at the same time as the chip-sets? I mean it'd be pretty useless otherwise haha

Are boards/CPU's like GPU's when they're first released - i.e difficult to get your hands on for a little while? And I know I've asked it before (not sure if you saw it) would current CPU coolers work with the new chipset sizes? Or will there be a new set of those - optimized to 1150 chips?


Motherboards will be out at the same time or shortly after the CPU release. Intel doesnt control motherboard releases, so its not sure, but just like the last 13 generations of PCs; mobis and CPUs are released simultaneously or very close together.

Current gen coolers will most likely work with 1150 processors; but dont buy just yet in case the screw pattern changes (very unlikely.)

Processors aren't too hard to get ahold of, even on release. Theres enough sand to go around.

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May 21, 2013 8:29:38 AM

Thanks a bunch for both of your help, I wish I could select both of you as best answer but i'm going to have to go with the one which helped make my decision the most.

Thanks again,

fluke
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