Considering 1st time build - Can I or should I use this old case, and other popular questions

noonin

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Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: Next few months

Budget Range: $700-900, after rebates after shipping

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Internet, non-pro photo/video editing, office work, some video/movie watching, a little gaming in the future (don't game now but might as my 8 year old gets older). It doesn't have to be super quiet, but not loud (guessing what I'm asking to build won't need a lot of fans anyway)

Are you buying a monitor: Yes



Parts to Upgrade: (e.g.: CPU, mobo, RAM) **Include Power Supply Make & Model If Re-using** Everything but the kitchen sink (and case)

Do you need to buy OS: Yes


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: NewEgg and Amazon are the only place I've bought before, but I'm open to suggestions for other reliable places.

Location: San Francisco

Parts Preferences by brand or type: Probably feel most comfortable with Intel CPU, Asus or Gigabyte MoBo, Crucial memory, Samsung SSDs, no preference on other components. I just don't want unreliable. budget brands.

Overclocking:
No

SLI or Crossfire:
No

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920 x 1200

Additional Comments: Looking for something that's #1 reliable, #2 fast enough to keep me from feeling the need to upgrade every couple years, but flexible enough to for a while.

And Most Importantly: My current home Desktop is from 2002 - nuf said ;-)

I was initially going to buy a Dell E6530 laptop this month, maxed out on specs, and leave my desktop in my downstairs office as a spare, upgrading it in a year or so. Now I'm reconsidering, thinking about going for a more budget laptop and rebuilding the desktop with the better parts. It would be my first build, but still not sure if I have the time to tackle it, or the IT skills to be my own Support guy. I haven't read up on what Intel is just about to release, so I have no idea if I should be waiting for new CPU/MoBos that are really great and on the verge of release (and get the bugs worked out), or save money on what's available now.

My desktop is a Franken Box my neighbor modded a few years back. It's a huge Micron Millennia tower with an Intel Pentium 4 2GHz, Intel D850MV MoBo, 1GB of RAM, 120GB PATA HDD...you can see I'm due for just about anything newer!

I'd like to reuse the case if possible because it looks like it'll take just about any build, though I'm no expert and that's why I'm here ;-). I also like the front panel configuration with one DVD drive exposed for easy access, and the other drive, card reader and extra bay behind a flip down door. It also has an understated year 2000 Nerd Chic look. Also, there seems to be a lot of slots available on the back panel.

Besides the CPU/MoBo, GPU, memory, and HDD, I assume I'll need to replace everything from PSU to fans, since I have now idea how many years they have left, or if they'll power and cool a new rig. I'd like to stay with Windows 7 if they still sell it as I only have a Full version of XP. I'm guessing I can save money initially by leaving the GPU out and upgrading it later, but would like to start off with a 256GB SSD + 500GB HDD for files.

As I stated above, my primary consideration is building the most reliable, fastest computer I can for the budget - no SLI or super awesome gaming or Quadro GPU necessary.
 

Transmaniacon

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($178.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($51.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.89 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VE228H 21.5" Monitor ($127.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $906.77
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-23 09:28 EDT-0400)
 

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Great setup for the price range, however, I would advise in trying to get all the parts in no more than 1 or 2 places because it can be quite a hassle when you happen to come across a doa (dead on arrival) in one of your components. Best places I find are newegg, amazon, memoryexpress, and ncix. There are more great ones out there but can't think of them on the top of my head.

 
Great Build, Transmaniacon, just some comments.

PSU: I have not bought a XFX PSU.
However reading the below link, would not have a problem with it, Only neg was Regulation On the IMPORTANT + 12 V rail – BUT this was at high load, your system should be around 300 W well under max load.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=225

Alternatives - Higher quality, lower Max Wattage (A High quality 430->450 Watt PSU Is plenty:
I NORMALLY do NOT even look at Rosewell, but this one is a GOOD one.
Gold Certified http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066
SeaSonic – Outstanding PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

SSDs:
.. Size, I’d probably go with the 128 Gig. In all My systems win 7 + programs use about 35 Gigs. The 128 gig SSD allows approx. 96 Gigs - lose 7 gigs when formatting, and should leave 20 % free – Unused, so that Wear leveling, Garbage Collector, and TRIM can work their magic to keep the SSD performance near Specs.. 96 – 35 = 41 Gigs for additional programs/games.
.. Brand/Model.
Would recommend the Crucial M4, or Plextor M5p unless the 15% increased cost is a deal breaker.
I highly recommend the 840 Pro, but the higher cost is only worth it if going into a Laptop where power consumption is also an issue. The Samsung 840 Non-pro uses a newer TLC NAND with lower write cycles. While this should not be a issue, I still recommend the Crucial M4 or Plextor M5P with MLC NAND. Both are highly reliable SSDs with a proven track record. DO NOT be fooled by synthetic benchmarks as there is VERY little real life performance difference between the better SATA III SSDs.

.. Ram
No problems, as in the past I used Crucial Ram exclusively, However I did switch for my last 4 builds to GSkill Ripjaw Ram. For IB CPU the DDR3-1600 CL9 is probably the sweet spot. Higher speed RAM offers very little performance increase, normally only noticeable when running a benchmark. My Last two desktops used DDR3-1600 CL7 ram and I’m very pleased with them.

May be worth waiting a Month
NEW Intel CPU – Haswell – showcase and release dtd first week of Jun.
CPU – Very little performance over IB, maybe 10%. However the iGPU will be considerable better than the HD4000 (iGPU in IB) – will allow better game play, No it will not = 7770/650ti – But may be OK, but highly dependent on games/resolution. If it is satisfactory it eliminates the need for a separate GPU card, or at least put of buying to later date alowing mor to be spent on other components.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2037038/intels-haswell-gets-massive-graphics-performance-boost.html
 

noonin

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Thanks for all the suggestions, guys (and the build, Transmaniacon). May go with Retired Chief's advice and wait. How long after a new CPU debuts do the Motherboards for them start rolling out (with reviews)? How long before the "early adopter" price premium drops? My guess is it'll pay to wait either way. If I go with a LG1155 setup, I can probably get a better price after Haswell release. Or, read all the Haswell reviews till my eyes fall out and decide if it's is worth the extra money (but maybe save on the fact that no GPU may be needed).

The real thing bugging me is my laptop purchase :-(. I really need that more than the desktop project, and figure that will really benefit from the Haswell CPUs, but don't know if I can wait until Dell's Business lineup gets the refresh. When I get home every night, my 8 year old asks "Did you get the laptop?" and I sadly have to say "No, not yet....just be patient" This tech new product release schedule is really messing with my inner Instant Gratification Monster;-).
 
For desktops, MBs have already been pictured, so as soon as CPU is released you will start to sy the MBs on sale.
SEE: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6970/haswell-z87-motherboard-preview-50-motherboards-from-asus-gigabyte-asrock-msi-ecs-biostar-and-evga

Laptops could be delayed slightly, but probably by months end of release you should see most major venders releasing a laptop.

For Laptops, I think the performance/battery life is more a reason to wait than for Desktops, See
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=haswell+laptops+release+date&oq=Haswell+laptops&gs_l=serp.1.2.0l4.0.0.1.50.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c..14.psy-ab.kCcId8rb8GQ&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&fp=9813bb0368409caa&biw=1174&bih=809

Remember the MB/Laptop venders have had Pre Released CPUs to base their design on.

On pricing/price drop, my xtal ball cracked up and laughted at me when I asked that question, After it finished laughing at me, it then asked me a question - are you joking, then turned off - LOLs
 

noonin

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Sounds like I'll know in June on Haswells in the laptop release...I'm guessing it'll be worth the wait and extra expense (may take a while until the Outlet has much stock) If they release what I'm interested in (either Latitude E55XX or E65XX before mid July, I'm good...I need something I can take on vacation in August. If no release yet, I'll consider a Nexux to get us by.

As far as the desktop goes, I can put it off until the hardware settles out a little longer. Having a new laptop will cause less banging of head on desk. As far as pricing, I just assumed like most electronic stuff, when something has been out a while, there is some discounting. I guess PC parts don't work that way?


 

noonin

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Wow, that's pretty significant! It'll be on a desk most of the time, but nice to have on other occasions. Mainly waiting for the integrated GPU promises.