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May 23, 2013 2:26:55 PM

Hey Guys
I am a video editor looking to switch from mac to pc. Avid (The software I use) tends to work better on PC. They recommend the hp z800. Being an amateur builder after seeing the z800 price tag, I thought I might be able to build my own computer with those specs for cheaper. Can anyone confirm? Advice for or against?

http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13278_na/...

Those are the specs.
Starting price for the z820 is $2011

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a b B Homebuilt system
May 23, 2013 2:59:31 PM

I believe going with xeon's is a more expensive way to go here is something I came up with which I feel will be a stronger solution for what you are perhaps after.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($499.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 CPU Cooler ($78.75 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme3 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($197.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($119.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: ATI FirePro V7900 2GB Video Card ($559.55 @ Compuvest)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1934.07
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-23 17:59 EDT-0400)
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 23, 2013 3:03:41 PM

Also depending on what kind of video editing you do you can go down to a gaming card and save a little and get good performance.
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a c 92 B Homebuilt system
May 23, 2013 3:10:57 PM

bigshootr8 said:
I believe going with xeon's is a more expensive way to go here is something I came up with which I feel will be a stronger solution for what you are perhaps after.


Yeah Xeons are way more expensive especially when you factor in a 6 or 8 core CPU (those alone are $1100 - $1900 a piece) then factor in ECC RAM and specialized motherboards but that's a whole different league.
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May 23, 2013 3:26:06 PM

But what would be the benefit of going xeon vs i7? I am concerned about render times and transcoding mostly. I would like those to happen as fast as possible.
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 23, 2013 3:29:09 PM

The 2011 platform is built around professional people. Yes you can game with it but essentially they are built with a xeon undertone pretty much to sum it up they are made very similarly. And when you say rendering what programs do you use for example the only program I've ever used is After Effects. I feel you get a overall better deal with the 2011 platform also you get quad memory which is a nice little extra.
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 23, 2013 3:45:48 PM

The reason I ask what applications you use is because maybe we can find a card that is more tailor made for you versus just what is the strongest workstation card.
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May 23, 2013 4:05:54 PM

I use avid media composer editing system mostly. I use it to render clips and transcode h264 video. This can be painfully slow at times.
I also use after effects moderately.
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a c 92 B Homebuilt system
May 23, 2013 4:20:27 PM

Lenny Vaknine said:
But what would be the benefit of going xeon vs i7? I am concerned about render times and transcoding mostly. I would like those to happen as fast as possible.


There really isn't any. Only in very rare circumstances would I recommend Xeon for anything. LGA 2011 would be a far better use for a video editing rig.
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 23, 2013 4:28:04 PM

Okay it looks like they are recommending a nvidia quadro solution
http://www.avid.com/US/products/Media-Composer#specific...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($499.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 CPU Cooler ($78.75 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme3 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($197.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($119.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
Other: NVIDIA® Quadro® K2000 VCQK2000-PB 2GB GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 Workstation Video Card ($429.99)
Total: $1804.51
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-23 19:26 EDT-0400)
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($499.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 CPU Cooler ($78.75 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme3 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($197.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($119.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: PNY Quadro 4000 2GB Video Card ($703.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $2078.51
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-23 19:27 EDT-0400)
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 23, 2013 4:29:05 PM

I would say xeons are more so for servers and 2011 is more so for professional production would that be more in line g-unit.
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 24, 2013 12:16:56 AM

I7 3770K pretty much does everything a Xeon can. However,Xeons on dual CPU are winner,and I believe it's possible these days on LGA 1155.
I stand corrected if I'm wrong,but that would be a cheaper route to gain many threads.
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 24, 2013 9:10:56 AM

No a 3770k can't do the same things that a Xeon. Can. From what I understand a Xeon is a professional enviroment thing mainly used in server rack mounts and not something you normally see in a normal environment. Video editors will land on socket 2011 its a stronger platform at the current moment.
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 24, 2013 11:23:29 AM

Well, the 3770K achieves very good performance in professional work,very similar to 3820 for a much cheaper build is all. I would go that route to save on budget,but I'm not good with the details, I'll check out the video.
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 24, 2013 11:35:30 AM

Yea, see but this guy is up to spending 2k on a computer so that is why I felt it was a bit more desiring to go towards the 2011 sockets and the 3930k is the chip to go with since its overclockable.
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