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May 23, 2013 6:15:42 PM

So this summer, around August, I'll start to build a PC. I have the parts for what I think is a good PC from talking to friends and I also would like to know if anyone can confirm if all the parts would work nicely with each other.

Here is my list: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Kuppsy/saved/1vST

I have a budget of around 1000 dollars ($1200 if need be).


So any input about any changes to that list would be awesome and you'd help me out a ton! This is my first build, so I don't know all the fancy PC terms I see that people use, so if you need any other information just post reply. Thanks.

EDIT: I also have a new question about my build. I've been looking at AMD and Radeon and all those types of products. Opposed from my first build(revised a little bit) using Nvidia and Intel http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Kuppsy/saved/1vST my second build is cheaper, and I'm wondering if I should rather using AMD over Nvidia and if I should do anything with my second build, like get a better model, or use my first build list. The only problem I have about using Radeon is that I heard it doesn't have something to do with 3D, I don't know what it does but I know Nvidia is more popular but more expensive. Thoughts?
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May 23, 2013 7:29:38 PM

nice build overall. however, by summer the market would've had a lot of HUGE changes:

Intel Haswell will be out, so you'll likely be getting an i5 4570K instead
with the i5 4570K, you'll need a Z87 motherboard. decide after you see some reviews around the first week of June

Also, Nvidia's refreshing their graphics cards. so you'll see a price drop (likely) on the 670, or a GTX 760 TI, which should perform around the same. we'll have to see how pricing pans out, but should be within $30 of a 660TI

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May 24, 2013 12:44:21 AM

Kuppsy said:
So this summer, around August, I'll start to build a PC. I have the parts for what I think is a good PC from talking to friends and I also would like to know if anyone can confirm if all the parts would work nicely with each other.

Here is my list: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Kuppsy/saved/1vST

I have a budget of around 1000 dollars ($1200 if need be).

So any input about any changes to that list would be awesome and you'd help me out a ton! This is my first build, so I don't know all the fancy PC terms I see that people use, so if you need any other information just post reply. Thanks.


You did have sandisk extreme SSSD in that list.
Take this one it cheaper and new model. Maybe faster?
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sandisk-internal-hard-driv...

Here is my suggestion for now.
I like better cpu cooler but here guys think they are too expensive :) 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ZAcV

And better CPU cooler new is this : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


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May 24, 2013 3:55:16 PM

vmem said:
nice build overall. however, by summer the market would've had a lot of HUGE changes:

Intel Haswell will be out, so you'll likely be getting an i5 4570K instead
with the i5 4570K, you'll need a Z87 motherboard. decide after you see some reviews around the first week of June

Also, Nvidia's refreshing their graphics cards. so you'll see a price drop (likely) on the 670, or a GTX 760 TI, which should perform around the same. we'll have to see how pricing pans out, but should be within $30 of a 660TI



With getting that motherboard, will I need to get a different model of RAM so it can work properly? Or anything else for that matter?

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May 24, 2013 6:01:39 PM

Kuppsy said:

With getting that motherboard, will I need to get a different model of RAM so it can work properly? Or anything else for that matter?



No, everything else can stay the same, it's just the motherboard and CPU comes more or less as a "set"
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May 28, 2013 6:33:07 PM

I also have a new question about my build. I've been looking at AMD and Radeon and all those types of products. Opposed from my first build(revised a little bit) using Nvidia and Intel http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Kuppsy/saved/1vST my second build is cheaper, and I'm wondering if I should rather using AMD over Nvidia and if I should do anything with my second build, like get a better model, or use my first build list. The only problem I have about using Radeon is that I heard it doesn't have something to do with 3D, I don't know what it does but I know Nvidia is more popular but more expensive. Thoughts?
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May 29, 2013 7:43:50 AM

Nvidia does significantly better marketing. traditionally, they use to have better and more stable drivers, but AMD has been catching up on that front. for a gamer on a budget, I would say AMD is always a good option to look at.

as for the missing "3D thing", it's Nvidia's 3D vision. TECHNICALLY you can also play games in active stereoscopic 3D with a 3D monitor from say samsung or ASUS or any of these other companies (it'll say 3D capable etc etc), but the software on the AMD side is not nearly as mature and could take some tweaking to get it to work.

other than that, you're not missing much. for a single graphics card, you get about the same performance at a cheaper price plus a bunch of game coupons :) 
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May 29, 2013 6:53:27 PM

vmem said:
Nvidia does significantly better marketing. traditionally, they use to have better and more stable drivers, but AMD has been catching up on that front. for a gamer on a budget, I would say AMD is always a good option to look at.

as for the missing "3D thing", it's Nvidia's 3D vision. TECHNICALLY you can also play games in active stereoscopic 3D with a 3D monitor from say samsung or ASUS or any of these other companies (it'll say 3D capable etc etc), but the software on the AMD side is not nearly as mature and could take some tweaking to get it to work.

other than that, you're not missing much. for a single graphics card, you get about the same performance at a cheaper price plus a bunch of game coupons :) 


I don't plan on using a 3D monitor, so you think I should get AMD? Here is the part list for the AMD build, sorry for not posting it before http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Kuppsy/saved/1ELN

But I think I'll decide on the of my builds when the Haswell comes out and if the 660 Ti ever drops in price, in the near future, with the new 780
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May 30, 2013 9:21:55 AM

if you don't plan on going 3D, AMD would be your best bet. however, keep in mind that Nvidia does get much better scaling etc with multiple GPUs, so if you plan on upgrading down the line by adding a second graphics card, I would plan ahead with Nvidia.

your build looks good overall. I would get this power supply instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

also, if you do go Nvidia, you're right on looking at the 660TI, or maybe 760TI when it comes out
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May 30, 2013 11:44:31 AM



dude, it's nearly $200 over his budget for what can be argued as unnecessary performance for 1080p gaming (at least for now). though true, if he really wants to spend the full $1200, the 770 would be the card to get and I would go for the MSI version
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May 30, 2013 5:58:57 PM

vmem said:
if you don't plan on going 3D, AMD would be your best bet. however, keep in mind that Nvidia does get much better scaling etc with multiple GPUs, so if you plan on upgrading down the line by adding a second graphics card, I would plan ahead with Nvidia.

your build looks good overall. I would get this power supply instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

also, if you do go Nvidia, you're right on looking at the 660TI, or maybe 760TI when it comes out


I think I'll go with Nvidia, but I also want to know about CPU, because the AMD processors are so much cheaper, the highest price on pcpartpicker is $253.13 for AMD CPU. Is Intel much better and that is why it is so much more expensive?

I currently have this: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd8350frhkbox as my CPU for my AMD / Radeon build and I have this motherboard: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-m5a99fxpr... So should I go with Intel or AMD for CPU?
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May 30, 2013 6:09:54 PM

Fx 8320 is a better value.
I would wait for haswell
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May 30, 2013 10:17:40 PM

Kuppsy said:
vmem said:
if you don't plan on going 3D, AMD would be your best bet. however, keep in mind that Nvidia does get much better scaling etc with multiple GPUs, so if you plan on upgrading down the line by adding a second graphics card, I would plan ahead with Nvidia.

your build looks good overall. I would get this power supply instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

also, if you do go Nvidia, you're right on looking at the 660TI, or maybe 760TI when it comes out


I think I'll go with Nvidia, but I also want to know about CPU, because the AMD processors are so much cheaper, the highest price on pcpartpicker is $253.13 for AMD CPU. Is Intel much better and that is why it is so much more expensive?

I currently have this: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd8350frhkbox as my CPU for my AMD / Radeon build and I have this motherboard: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-m5a99fxpr... So should I go with Intel or AMD for CPU?


price per performance for gaming and everyday tasks, AMD and Intel CPUs are priced SIMILARLY. for everyday tasks and gaming, AMD's top CPU can only match about a stock clocked intel i5 (from latest gen), which is why they're priced similarly. I think choosing either works fine, but if I were you I'd get an unlocked i5 from intel's haswell series (should be relased by next monday). this level of performance is sufficient for any type of gaming
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May 31, 2013 1:40:05 PM

vmem said:
Kuppsy said:
vmem said:
if you don't plan on going 3D, AMD would be your best bet. however, keep in mind that Nvidia does get much better scaling etc with multiple GPUs, so if you plan on upgrading down the line by adding a second graphics card, I would plan ahead with Nvidia.

your build looks good overall. I would get this power supply instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

also, if you do go Nvidia, you're right on looking at the 660TI, or maybe 760TI when it comes out


I think I'll go with Nvidia, but I also want to know about CPU, because the AMD processors are so much cheaper, the highest price on pcpartpicker is $253.13 for AMD CPU. Is Intel much better and that is why it is so much more expensive?

I currently have this: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd8350frhkbox as my CPU for my AMD / Radeon build and I have this motherboard: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-m5a99fxpr... So should I go with Intel or AMD for CPU?


price per performance for gaming and everyday tasks, AMD and Intel CPUs are priced SIMILARLY. for everyday tasks and gaming, AMD's top CPU can only match about a stock clocked intel i5 (from latest gen), which is why they're priced similarly. I think choosing either works fine, but if I were you I'd get an unlocked i5 from intel's haswell series (should be relased by next monday). this level of performance is sufficient for any type of gaming


So I have been going to the CPU forum and been looking at their discussions there and have seen better performance with Intel CPUs, so I think I will wait until Haswell and see what is up.

vmem, your input and replies have helped me IMMENSELY with deciding on my parts and I'd like to thank you for all the help!

I have one last question about CPU coolers. Are they generally inexpensive? Because my build has a CPU cooler for $30 and I would like to know if that is sufficient, I do plan on overclocking in the future, maybe a couple of months with my new PC, so I don't know if I should get a new CPU cooler by that time or not.
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May 31, 2013 2:27:42 PM

Thanks Kuppsy, happy to help, it's why I hang around the forums (well that and to learn new things)

as far as coolers go, it is generally agreed that a simple, but sizable cooler with a reasonable price is "good enough" for the typical user. if you go around the forums, you'll see that the cooler-master 212 evo is generally regarded as the best, which you're already getting. if you want to step up to the so-called "KING" of air-cooling, it would be the Noctua 14DH, for more than double the price. However, as nice as the noctua is, you ultimately end up with a few degrees difference, which may get you an extra 100-200mHz on the CPU at the end of the day, not really worth the extra cost. besides, for everyday use overclocking, no one should be pushing their CPU to the absolute limits anyway, it only shortens the lifespan of their CPU.

In all, I agree with the general opinion that the cooler master 212 EVO is still the best air cooler on the market when price is considered. and it should be sufficient for whatever overclocking you want to do unless you want to shoot for world-records or something :) 
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May 31, 2013 7:27:13 PM

Before you do anything find out if you have a Microcenter near by.
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June 3, 2013 8:44:50 AM

vmem said:
nice build overall. however, by summer the market would've had a lot of HUGE changes:

Intel Haswell will be out, so you'll likely be getting an i5 4570K instead
with the i5 4570K, you'll need a Z87 motherboard. decide after you see some reviews around the first week of June

Also, Nvidia's refreshing their graphics cards. so you'll see a price drop (likely) on the 670, or a GTX 760 TI, which should perform around the same. we'll have to see how pricing pans out, but should be within $30 of a 660TI



So I have been looking around and I haven't seen a i5 4570K processor, will they be coming out soon? And as of now I picked the ASUS Z87-K Motherboard for whichever Haswell CPU I'm going to pick, is there a better motherboard to choose without going overboard with price? My build with this motherboard is already at $900 so it looks like I'll have to go over a $1000 dollar budget which I wasn't hoping to do.
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June 3, 2013 9:10:00 AM

Kuppsy said:
vmem said:
nice build overall. however, by summer the market would've had a lot of HUGE changes:

Intel Haswell will be out, so you'll likely be getting an i5 4570K instead
with the i5 4570K, you'll need a Z87 motherboard. decide after you see some reviews around the first week of June

Also, Nvidia's refreshing their graphics cards. so you'll see a price drop (likely) on the 670, or a GTX 760 TI, which should perform around the same. we'll have to see how pricing pans out, but should be within $30 of a 660TI



So I have been looking around and I haven't seen a i5 4570K processor, will they be coming out soon? And as of now I picked the ASUS Z87-K Motherboard for whichever Haswell CPU I'm going to pick, is there a better motherboard to choose without going overboard with price? My build with this motherboard is already at $900 so it looks like I'll have to go over a $1000 dollar budget which I wasn't hoping to do.


Sry, Intel keeps on changing the numbers on their i5 processors... it's supposed to be an i5 4670K (seriously, just keep it x570K lol). anyway it's here, avialable since Sunday :) 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

the asus z87-K motherboard should be decent, I believe the z87-X version is slightly better (without being overpriced as you said). either one should work. and yeah, keeping a budget is tough since you tend to forget about the cost of small things like a DVD drive or CPU cooler or extra fans. they're all cheap, but add up to $100 bucks or so XD
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June 3, 2013 11:15:15 AM

So I added the ASUS z87-K and the i5-4670K, but removed my 128GB SSD, because frankly, I don't see a point of getting a SSD besides faster loading times. So My build now is back to a $1000 budget, here is the link: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Kuppsy/saved/1vST

And about the z87-X, is that from ASUS? Because all I see are GIGABYTE Z87X's
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June 3, 2013 3:53:07 PM

Kuppsy said:
So I added the ASUS z87-K and the i5-4670K, but removed my 128GB SSD, because frankly, I don't see a point of getting a SSD besides faster loading times. So My build now is back to a $1000 budget, here is the link: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Kuppsy/saved/1vST

And about the z87-X, is that from ASUS? Because all I see are GIGABYTE Z87X's


removing the SSD to stay in budget is a fine decision. it's one of those things that's more of a "luxury" than a necessity. I'll say that before I had an SSD, my desktop experience was just fine. after I had one tho, I can never go back. I put together a budget build for a friend recently (he wanted to fit a gtx 770 within his ~1k budget :p ), and it just felt painfully slow loading up win7 each time. though of course the problem was magnified due to all the reboots we needed to do to Overclock it a bit, install drivers and updates etc. you normally wouldn't be rebooting the machine 10 times in an afternoon :p 

as for you build, it looks great overall. I might consider stepping up a bit on the motherboard depending on what features you might want etc, but I have yet to read through all the information on all the new motherboards. the people at hardware.info did an insane review article on 33 motherboards, and it's worth a read if you want to see what alternatives are out there :-) I may get back to give my $0.02 once I'm done digesting that massive thing lol

http://us.hardware.info/reviews/4444/33-haswell-motherb...
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June 8, 2013 6:35:42 PM

So I've been looking around the internet about more information on the new 700 Series from Nvidia, and I've been linked to multiple forums, articles, sites, that say the 660 is better than the 660 Ti. If I could I'd go with the 670, but that is out of my price range for sure. should I stay with my 660 Ti or is the 660 actually better?

I'm also wondering if I should include any other types of cooling for my PC. I don't like the idea of liquid cooling either, want to stay away from it for as long as I can until I know more about it.

Build: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Kuppsy/saved/1vST
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June 8, 2013 9:30:43 PM

Kuppsy said:
So I've been looking around the internet about more information on the new 700 Series from Nvidia, and I've been linked to multiple forums, articles, sites, that say the 660 is better than the 660 Ti. If I could I'd go with the 670, but that is out of my price range for sure. should I stay with my 660 Ti or is the 660 actually better?

I'm also wondering if I should include any other types of cooling for my PC. I don't like the idea of liquid cooling either, want to stay away from it for as long as I can until I know more about it.

Build: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Kuppsy/saved/1vST


the 660 is clocked higher, but the 660ti has a better architecture. in fact, the 660ti is a crippled 670 (which itself is a crippled 680 haha). anyway, here's a simple set of benchmarks to answer that question once and for all:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/660?vs=647

as for cooling, you're fine. simple air cooler is the best unless you really want to get into hardware tuning and tweaking etc. don't buy into the hype over liquid cooling etc. it's much more of a hobby than being actually worth the money.
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June 9, 2013 3:32:58 PM

vmem said:
Kuppsy said:
So I've been looking around the internet about more information on the new 700 Series from Nvidia, and I've been linked to multiple forums, articles, sites, that say the 660 is better than the 660 Ti. If I could I'd go with the 670, but that is out of my price range for sure. should I stay with my 660 Ti or is the 660 actually better?

I'm also wondering if I should include any other types of cooling for my PC. I don't like the idea of liquid cooling either, want to stay away from it for as long as I can until I know more about it.

Build: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Kuppsy/saved/1vST


the 660 is clocked higher, but the 660ti has a better architecture. in fact, the 660ti is a crippled 670 (which itself is a crippled 680 haha). anyway, here's a simple set of benchmarks to answer that question once and for all:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/660?vs=647

as for cooling, you're fine. simple air cooler is the best unless you really want to get into hardware tuning and tweaking etc. don't buy into the hype over liquid cooling etc. it's much more of a hobby than being actually worth the money.


So if I were to overclock this 660Ti it would be similar to a 670? I've read it somewhere that says it does act as one if you overclock it, and if I want it to be like a 670 would that acquire an other fans, which you said unless I get into hardware tuning, which I may want to, for my GPU first than my CPU later on.
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June 9, 2013 6:05:38 PM

Kuppsy said:
vmem said:
Kuppsy said:
So I've been looking around the internet about more information on the new 700 Series from Nvidia, and I've been linked to multiple forums, articles, sites, that say the 660 is better than the 660 Ti. If I could I'd go with the 670, but that is out of my price range for sure. should I stay with my 660 Ti or is the 660 actually better?

I'm also wondering if I should include any other types of cooling for my PC. I don't like the idea of liquid cooling either, want to stay away from it for as long as I can until I know more about it.

Build: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Kuppsy/saved/1vST


the 660 is clocked higher, but the 660ti has a better architecture. in fact, the 660ti is a crippled 670 (which itself is a crippled 680 haha). anyway, here's a simple set of benchmarks to answer that question once and for all:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/660?vs=647

as for cooling, you're fine. simple air cooler is the best unless you really want to get into hardware tuning and tweaking etc. don't buy into the hype over liquid cooling etc. it's much more of a hobby than being actually worth the money.


So if I were to overclock this 660Ti it would be similar to a 670? I've read it somewhere that says it does act as one if you overclock it, and if I want it to be like a 670 would that acquire an other fans, which you said unless I get into hardware tuning, which I may want to, for my GPU first than my CPU later on.


if you overclock it, yes, it'll be a bit like a 670. probably still slightly slower as there are hardware "nerfs" that Nvidia put in. such as a smaller memory bus for less memory bandwidth.

on a side note, for overclocking in general: do it to get the extra performance, but don't push your luck too much. every chip overclocks differently, and how high of an overclock you can get is completely up to luck. blindly pushing a card toward a set clock speed because someone told you that you should be able to hit it would be a stupid thing to do. also, if you look at all the costs associated with getting extra cooling ($50-$100 for a decent air-cooler, $150 for a water/air hybrid cooler), you're better off just buying a 670. as for your case, fill up all the fan slots if you really want to, it won't make a huge difference.
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June 9, 2013 6:34:21 PM

As of now I think I'll be getting the 660 Ti, but if I have anything left over for a 670, I will definitely buy one.
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June 9, 2013 6:54:40 PM

If you have the money for a gtx 670 then buy a gtx 770
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