Choosing the Right Package for my First Build

Ameobea

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Hello! I've been putting a LOT of time recently into researching the best build for my first real gaming pc. I've been playing MineCraft on my dell laptop at 10 fps for too long - I want something that is good enough to not only play minecraft but allow me to run the new high-quality games for years to come.

I have one thing set - the graphics card. The GTX 650 Ti BOOST 2gb is perfect for what I'm looking for in regards to performance/price. I already have an EVGA model picked out and everything. I have it down to two processors in the ~$200 range - the AMD FX-8350 and the Intel i5-3570k. I'd prefer the intel for its per-core performance advantage, but I'd be almost equally happy with the AMD.

I had found this package from Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1271094) that I really liked. I'm sure it could do everything I needed it to do and do it well. The fact that all the parts are picked for me and guaranteed to be work together encourages me, as it is my first time actually building a computer. I also looked at a cheaper but similar package with a better HD and ram (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1271058) but the worse PSU and mobo really made it not worth it for me.

So after talking with some other great THW members, I looked into custom building the whole thing, picking the best parts of both packages. However, there is just too much variety in stuff like mobos, psus, and cases for me to confidently pick with my level of experience. I created a build of my own using my favorite parts from both of the two packages for ~$775 that looked good.

Then, just today, I saw this intel 3570k-based package that really had everything I was looking for. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1271058) The only thing about it is the price. It doesn't include the case, which adds another 40-50 dollars onto the total. The HD is more expensive than the other one I wanted and also doesn't include the combo I was going to use. I also have about $80 in best buy gift cards I can use for some parts or something.

I'd really like to keep this build under $800. Somewhere around $700-750 would really be what I'm shooting for. I also would really like to keep one of those two processors - the intel being preferable. I've gone as far as to consider ditching Windows entirely for Linux to shave off that $60 (I have a $30 amazon giftcard I was going to use to help pay for that). I have $1000 of my personal money I am able to spend, but my mother is making spending it difficult. To be honest, I think she will keep me from getting anything over $800, and something close to the $700 side would be a LOT better.

If it were totally up to me, I'd go ahead and get the intel package and pick up a case from some other place. I just want to know if it is worth it paying the extra money for the deal (I save $55 buying the parts in the intel package together).

So here's the big question: Which one will be best? Will paying the extra money now make the computer last longer and perform better enough to warrant it, or should I be going with something cheaper? If the total price with windows 8 were to be somewhere around $800 or above, I'd probably end up going for linux for the time being, as I don't really play any other games but MineCraft at the moment. I'd really like to keep windows, but I'd gladly sacrifice it for the long-term benefit of the computer.
 
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Indeed; the GTX 650 Ti Boost is the best price/performance card in market today. I only suggest the other ones because they are more future-proof. Though if you're sticking to Linux gaming, it's not a big deal.

A few comments on your build:

1. Remove the Thermal Compound. Not necessary. The Cooler that I suggest comes with a thermal compound. You'll only get a few celsius in difference with your Arctic Silver 5. Even if you find that a big deal, you don't have the aftermarket cooler anyway, there's no need to even buy it now.

2. The RAM is quite tall. Be careful when installing an aftermarket cooler and picking one compatible with it. The RAM I selected in my OC build is low-profile so that it will fit under any CPU Cooler out...

Ameobea

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Uh oh - had too many tabs open :p. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1291151 is the correct link for the intel package).

I know that linux gaming is very limiting - I made a reddit post (http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1esssp/using_linux_as_primary_os_on_gaming_computer/) talking to some real linux users about their experiences with it. I'll end up getting Windows some time - but keeping that extra money off my cost for the time will be a good thing. The thing I'd be most concerned about would be compatibility - I'd hate to have to wait another week or battle glitches because my mobo isn't linux-friendly.

To be honest, I'm not sure how my gaming will go for the future. I want to build this computer to last. For my uses now, I could easily run MineCraft perfectly on a $500-600 computer, but I couldn't do that much in regards to battlefield or stuff and it would be obsolete within 2-3 years.

I just want to make sure that it IS worth spending the extra money now to ensure I'll have a good computer that will allow me to expand my horizons into the future.

And I was planning on OCing - at least a bit. I was planning on sticking to stock cooler and doing what I can with that. If I do move up to bigger, hungrier games, I may get a better cooler. I picked the K model of the intel chip just because it seemed that an extra $25 was a wise choice to make for that extra potential 25% increase in performance. Again, looking forward to how this will work for me in 5 years plus.
 
I made a few builds for you to look at. Let me know what you think of them.

For an overclocking build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($21.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($193.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $799.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)



No overclocking build (it won't be any less or more future-proof than the OC build and will a very strong alternative):

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($180.51 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H77-DS3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($90.52 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($51.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($269.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $757.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)


On both builds, I chose a GTX card because it has far better Linux driver support. I recommend the GTX 660 Ti one. While you cannot overclock it, it is still very powerful. The GTX 660 Ti is almost 20% better than the GTX 660. Both cards should work on Debian Wheezy and Ubuntu variants. I personally use Debian Wheezy as my primary operating system and have been running Linux as my primary OS for 7 years so I understand gaming on Linux fine ;). Nothing against Ubuntu; it is good but it's system is way too unstable for my use. Most users do not make system-wide modifications and use the OS similar to a Windows-like style where you just use basic apps and don't mess around with system core files and structures. So in that sense, it'll be fine. Just wanting to say that because others have asked before if Ubuntu is bad when I appear to recommend something else. It isn't bad, just not my cup of tea.

If you're using Debian Wheezy (yes, Steam works on it fine), you will want to use DKMS to install the nvidia driver. The script that nvidia comes with doesn't work as well. On Ubuntu, I assume they have similar support. Only use the nvidia script as a LAST resort.

If you are planning on using Windows, a Radeon HD card will be better for the price because more come with 3 free games from the AMD Never Settle Bundle. They are Far Cry 3, Crysis 3 (HD 7900 series exclusive), Bioshock Infinite, and Tomb Raider (HD 7800 series exclusive).
 

Ameobea

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Wow - that gave me a lot to think about. My first thought is regarding the CPU. As I read through them, I found myself nodding and smiling as everything I've been looking at started to fall into place.

Could I get the 3570k without the cooler and not OC it, just leaving it open as an option for the future? Or does he 3570 run hot enough stock to warrant the cooler now?

Even with the OC build plus the cooler and everything else (which looks great, imo), I haven't been considering the GTX 660 as my graphics card. I've been looking almost exclusively at the GTX 650 Ti BOOST 2gb. I admit that the performance isn't as good by a good amount, but it saves me about $100 off my cost. And to be honest, if there was something I'd upgrade on this sometime in the future, it'd be the graphics card. Everything else looks rock solid, especially that cpu.

I had a rather similar build going with my current best picks:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($5.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost 2GB Video Card ($173.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.50 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $779.38
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-24 01:27 EDT-0400)

By the way - this would be before subtracting the ~$80 I have in best buy gift cards and the $30 amazon gift card I still have. However, it is missing a cpu fan, too.

I had put a lot of my time into picking a good graphics card, and after looking through numerous benchmarks and comparisons I decided that the 650 Ti BOOST was the best deal for the price and would give me enough performance. However, you really are the expert here and if you think I would do better in getting the better graphics card and going for the Non-OC CPU, that's probably what I should do.
 
Indeed; the GTX 650 Ti Boost is the best price/performance card in market today. I only suggest the other ones because they are more future-proof. Though if you're sticking to Linux gaming, it's not a big deal.

A few comments on your build:

1. Remove the Thermal Compound. Not necessary. The Cooler that I suggest comes with a thermal compound. You'll only get a few celsius in difference with your Arctic Silver 5. Even if you find that a big deal, you don't have the aftermarket cooler anyway, there's no need to even buy it now.

2. The RAM is quite tall. Be careful when installing an aftermarket cooler and picking one compatible with it. The RAM I selected in my OC build is low-profile so that it will fit under any CPU Cooler out there today.

3. Corsair Builder series PSU will power your entire system with 600W. That is even a bit of an overkill for your system. But I wouldn't recommend the Builder models if you're heading towards a high performance build. It's a low-end Corsair PSU aimed toward basic builds that are simple and low performance. Corsair built a few low-end to cover the whole spectrum of user demands.

4. If you're going to buy a Windows 8 DVD, why are you sticking with Linux? If you're gaming on Windows, I would up the GPU if at all possible, which you can. But it is your call. :)
 
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Ameobea

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Oh that was just what I was working with. I just took some of the things from the different packages I was looking through and plugged them in there, to give you an idea what I was working with.

I have no clue what I'm looking for in a PSU, case, or mobo, so I honestly think I'm just going to take your recommendations and roll with them :D

As for linux, I was really only considering that because I couldn't find anything that would work with the parts I was using. I have those best buy gift cards just waiting to be used, so I might as well pay the extra $20 to get an operating system I know well and am guaranteed will support the things I need it to. I have little to no linux experience, so having it as a main OS on a brand new comp wasn't especially appealing to me. However, I may dual boot or virtualbox it just to have it around :)

And for the graphics card, I honestly think that I'm going to go with the 650 instead of the 660. Seeing as the 700 series is rolling out as I write this, I feel that if there was something I would be replacing eventually it would be that. That price/performance really makes it worth it to me. Anyway, right now, a solid 30 fps on Minecraft would be a gift from above :)

So anyway, I can't thank you enough for your help with all this. I feel like I can say I built my own PC in that I picked the GPU and processor myself (HD too I guess), but you helped me with everything else. I finally feel like this is what I should be doing. Thank you so much!!
 
The price/performance of the GTX 780 isn't worth it IMO. Pretty much any other card you pick would be better. Maybe in a year, it'll be cheaper, but there may be better deals out at that time. You should always focus on now. Technology moves fast and future proof is one thing that won't hold the test of time. Except for maybe your case and power supply.

Glad I could help. Best of luck with your build.