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May 26, 2013 2:56:29 AM

I am going to buy a new video card in the next 2 weeks, so I decided to get a Radeon HD 7990. I want to ask you if you know which is the most powerful Radeon HD 7990 (from the new 7990s) with the highest performance! I am looking forward to getting the Sapphire Radeon HD 7990.. Is there a better Radeon HD 7990 than it? Thanks in advance!

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May 26, 2013 3:31:02 AM

^Agreed

Right now AMD Crossfire solutions (which is what a 7990 is) aren't a good option given their FrameRating issues, and with the GTX780 coming out and being virtually identical to a Titan offers much better Price/Performance.

If you decide to go 7990 anyway, that Gigabyte Radeon mentioned is your only option, all the others are out of stock :p . From what I can tell their all pretty much identical anyway (except for the Powercolour 7990, but dont go for that since its an older 7990 model, designed by the manufacturers and not AMD themselves).
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May 26, 2013 3:35:35 AM

manofchalk said:
^Agreed

Right now AMD Crossfire solutions (which is what a 7990 is) aren't a good option given their FrameRating issues, and with the GTX780 coming out and being virtually identical to a Titan offers much better Price/Performance.

If you decide to go 7990 anyway, that Gigabyte Radeon mentioned is your only option, all the others are out of stock :p . From what I can tell their all pretty much identical anyway (except for the Powercolour 7990, but dont go for that since its an older 7990 model, designed by the manufacturers and not AMD themselves).

Yeah, right! The Radeon HD 7990 is light years away from GTX 780 and it's false that my only option is Gigabyte Radeon HD 7990! As you can plainly see, in my country - Bulgaria, I can buy Sapphire Radeon HD 7990 as it is not out of stock - http://outmax.bg/dmz/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=48... !
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May 26, 2013 3:36:33 AM

manofchalk said:
^Agreed

Right now AMD Crossfire solutions (which is what a 7990 is) aren't a good option given their FrameRating issues, and with the GTX780 coming out and being virtually identical to a Titan offers much better Price/Performance.

If you decide to go 7990 anyway, that Gigabyte Radeon mentioned is your only option, all the others are out of stock :p . From what I can tell their all pretty much identical anyway (except for the Powercolour 7990, but dont go for that since its an older 7990 model, designed by the manufacturers and not AMD themselves).

The price of the Sapphire Radeon HD 7990 which I am going to buy from the Bulgarian shop is less than 1000 euro!
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May 26, 2013 3:44:41 AM

jnjnilson6 said:

Yeah, right! The Radeon HD 7990 is light years away from GTX 780 and it's false that my only option is Gigabyte Radeon HD 7990! As you can plainly see, in my country - Bulgaria, I can buy Sapphire Radeon HD 7990 as it is not out of stock - http://outmax.bg/dmz/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=48... !


Never said the 7990 is worse than a 780, just that the 780 offers better Price/Performance. The FrameRating thing I mentioned is also true, I suggest you look it up as it is a relatively new concept.

Then that's perfect for you, enjoy your Sapphire 7990 from Bulgaria. Since the vast majority of the people here are from North America, we kind of assume that retailers like Newegg are what your going to be buying from. If you wanted a more informed opinion on whats available to you, telling us that you are in fact from Bulgaria and buyong from that retailer would have gone to great lengths of clearing this issue up.

Anyway, that Sapphire card is your only option (being the only 7990 available at that site as far as I can tell) anyway, so why ask if there are any better ones?

jnjnilson6 said:
The price of the Sapphire Radeon HD 7990 which I am going to buy from the Bulgarian shop is less than 1000 euro!


Well thats great... and?
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May 26, 2013 3:49:10 AM

They are all reference cards so it does not really matter which brand you go with, they all come out from the same manufacturer and every board partner just sticks their name/logo on it with the exception of the Powercolor of course, so you could go with whatever is cheapest or provide longer warranty period.


But still like you have been told above, the 7990 is the WORST choice when it comes to the $1000 market cards, you are way better of with a GTX 780, a GTX 690 or a Titan, the GTX 690 being the absolute fastest and provides the smoothest and most solid experience, while the GTX 780 is a best value for money card for cards in that price range.

Unless OpenCL is your primary purpose of this card, i think buying the 7990 is a huge mistake for what it costs when high performance, high resolution gaming is what you are seeking.

You have been told and it is up to you how you want to proceed.
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May 26, 2013 3:53:01 AM

manofchalk said:
jnjnilson6 said:

Yeah, right! The Radeon HD 7990 is light years away from GTX 780 and it's false that my only option is Gigabyte Radeon HD 7990! As you can plainly see, in my country - Bulgaria, I can buy Sapphire Radeon HD 7990 as it is not out of stock - http://outmax.bg/dmz/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=48... !


Never said the 7990 is worse than a 780, just that the 780 offers better Price/Performance. The FrameRating thing I mentioned is also true, I suggest you look it up as it is a relatively new concept.

Then that's perfect for you, enjoy your Sapphire 7990 from Bulgaria. Since the vast majority of the people here are from North America, we kind of assume that retailers like Newegg are what your going to be buying from. If you wanted a more informed opinion on whats available to you, telling us that you are in fact from Bulgaria and buyong from that retailer would have gone to great lengths of clearing this issue up.

Anyway, that Sapphire card is your only option (being the only 7990 available at that site as far as I can tell) anyway, so why ask if there are any better ones?

jnjnilson6 said:
The price of the Sapphire Radeon HD 7990 which I am going to buy from the Bulgarian shop is less than 1000 euro!


Well thats great... and?

I asked, because there are many, many other Bulgarian dilers and web sites from which I can buy other versions of the card.. I have bought my Corsair Hydro Series H110 water cooling system from amazon.com, so I might have bought another version of Radeon HD 7990 from there as well, if it was the best and I couldn't find it in Bulgaria.
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May 26, 2013 4:08:23 AM

MyNewRig said:
They are all reference cards so it does not really matter which brand you go with, they all come out from the same manufacturer and every board partner just sticks their name/logo on it with the exception of the Powercolor of course, so you could go with whatever is cheapest or provide longer warranty period.


But still like you have been told above, the 7990 is the WORST choice when it comes to the $1000 market cards, you are way better of with a GTX 780, a GTX 690 or a Titan, the GTX 690 being the absolute fastest and provides the smoothest and most solid experience, while the GTX 780 is a best value for money card for cards in that price range.

Unless OpenCL is your primary purpose of this card, i think buying the 7990 is a huge mistake for what it costs when high performance, high resolution gaming is what you are seeking.

You have been told and it is up to you how you want to proceed.

And why do those statistics exist, if the GTX 690 is so much better compared to the Radeon HD 7990, like you are saying?!




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May 26, 2013 4:16:53 AM

Notice the AMD and Radeon logo's in the corner? Would hardly call that an unbiased review.
Also all those tests are performed at very high resolutions (5760x1080 or 4K) which is where traditionally Radeon cards have always outperformed Nvidia due to their better memory systems. You want to be looking at benchmarks at 1080p.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7990-revi...
Since this review came out, FrameRating was discovered and it is a significant factor. I really suggest you look it up, as AMD crossfire solutions really do suffer quite badly from it.

Also I should say, if your gaming at 1080p, a 7990, 690 or 780 are all overkill. Go for a 7970 if your just gaming at 1080p.
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May 26, 2013 4:32:43 AM

manofchalk said:
Notice the AMD and Radeon logo's in the corner? Would hardly call that an unbiased review.
Also all those tests are performed at very high resolutions (5760x1080 or 4K) which is where traditionally Radeon cards have always outperformed Nvidia due to their better memory systems. You want to be looking at benchmarks at 1080p.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7990-revi...
Since this review came out, FrameRating was discovered and it is a significant factor. I really suggest you look it up, as AMD crossfire solutions really do suffer quite badly from it.

Also I should say, if your gaming at 1080p, a 7990, 690 or 780 are all overkill. Go for a 7970 if your just gaming at 1080p.

I'll play at 1920x1200! I am going to buy such a powerful video card, because I don't want to get a new one each year, and I want to experience extreme gaming at its finest! I want to have more than 100 FPS while playing the latest games, even after 2 years, that's why I am going as high-end as possible!
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May 26, 2013 4:37:08 AM

Well it seems your pretty set on the 7990 then, and no matter what we say we cant seem to dissuade you or propose alternatoves.

Enjoy your 7990.
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May 26, 2013 4:46:01 AM

lol these are hypothetical frame rates and is not what you can see playing consistently and smoothly on your screen, and i wouldn't take charts from the manufacturer as a basis for buying their card, unless you believe that Ariel cleans better than Persil or the other way around because their TV commercials show them producing whiter clothes .. hahaha

Check the following review with Frame Time Variance or Frame Rating accounted for which provides a more realistic picture of what experience you should be expecting from the 7990 with explanation of why things are tested the why they did and why that provide a more realistic measurement of FPS

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-780-per...

The market known facts are that the AMD Radeon cards provide very good value/performance for single card configuration, but if you want dual card configuration or is buying in the $1000 cards market, then nVidia provides much more mature and reliable technology and better cards.

No fanboyism involved here, if you are so much in love with AMD and would feel better buying their products for all configurations and all price ranges available, then by all means just ignore the advise you are getting here and buy yourself a 7990 and be happy.

To answer your question of which 7990 is best, i told you they are ALL EXACTLY THE SAME, because that is AMD's reference design, so buy whichever is cheaper, offer faster delivery, longer warranty or whatever better terms!

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May 26, 2013 4:55:53 AM

MyNewRig said:
unless you believe that Ariel cleans better that Persil or the other war around because their TV commercials show them producing whiter clothes .. hahaha


Are you saying that my Napisan OxyAction Intelligence detergent is actually no better than other brands :heink: 
But... but... it gets the stains I didn't even see...

:lol: 
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May 26, 2013 5:20:08 AM

manofchalk said:
Well it seems your pretty set on the 7990 then, and no matter what we say we cant seem to dissuade you or propose alternatoves.

Enjoy your 7990.

I am against the GTX 690 and 780 so much, because back in 2011 I bought a shitty "gaming" notebook with GT 555M - 1 GB GDDR5 and i7-2630QM! It went to the repairing service for absolutely everything and stayed there around 3.5 ~ 4 months all in all.. The card had huge problems, it lagged, skipped frames, froze, lowered the frame rate and crashed in absolutely every game, always!! I was happy if I could pull 80 FPS on Crysis (1024x768, all low) for 1 minute, before they drop to 20 FPS and stay like that for 15 - 20 minutes, not to talk about the unimaginable lag spikes which occurred every 5 - 10 seconds, making every game absolutely and totally unplayable! If I start writing about how many ways I've tried to fix the problem and what I've done, I'd be here writing till the end of next week and wouldn't still be done. It was insane!! I didn't have any problems with my previous laptop (HP Pavilion 2010eq) which had a much slower card - HD 4530 and a dual core AMD Athlon II M300 2.0 GHz processor.. Sure, I had 40 FPS in Crysis (1024x768, all low), but the game ran smoothly without any problems what so ever and was fully playable like all the other games.. I've actually beaten Crysis 2 on HD 4530 and despite the fact that I had around 15 FPS at 800x600 and was sometimes forced to play at 800x480 and happy to reach 20 FPS, the game ran pretty fine without any frame skips or major slowdowns, and I had fun, because the graphics weren't that bad as well..
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May 26, 2013 5:34:24 AM

which in your case i would indeed stick with AMD because you have got to the point where you are now paranoid about nVidia products and would indeed be happier with anything AMD.

That is a perfectly understandable situation because everybody's experience and preferences are different, for example i see most people swear by the Sapphire cards and perceive them as very good and very reliable etc.. for me personally my experience with my Sapphire card is very different because it caused me TONS AND TONS of problems and made me see anything Sapphire as garbage just like you see anything nVidia as such.

But again despite of your personal hating to the brand, the 7990 has serious problems, real problems that render it immature and problematic technology, now AMD has been promising better drivers that would fix the problem for a while, we are yet to see such drivers, and they may never fix the problem as it could be just the way the Tahiti chip is just is and in this case the 7990 will always work worse than the 690 until AMD comes up with its next 20nm based architecture that is supposed to have this issue fixed.

You are in somewhat tricky position, but sure if you will feel better owning a 7990 which i know you will, then just buy it, but don't have your expectations very high because you might not be happy with the end results.

For the most part, the current generation's crossfire introduce more problems and issues than they do helping performance.

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May 26, 2013 5:37:18 AM

It might not have even been Nvidia's fault for the bad performance, it quite easily could have been the notebook manufacturers or even the GPU manufacturers (because Nvidia sure as hell don't manufacture their chips) issue. Nvidia just design them.
AMD has fabs around the place for their CPU's (well, used too), so I assume they manufacture their GPU's in house.

One bad experience shouldnt turn you off one whole company, there are any number of reasons it went wrong and its not necessarily the name written on it. I could easily mess up any Dell computer I can find, and whoever uses it next will probably blame Dell.
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May 26, 2013 5:55:09 AM

MyNewRig said:
which in your case i would indeed stick with AMD because you have got to the point where you are now paranoid about nVidia products and would indeed be happier with anything AMD.

That is a perfectly understandable situation because everybody's experience and preferences are different, for example i see most people swear by the Sapphire cards and perceive them as very good and very reliable etc.. for me personally my experience with my Sapphire card is very different because it caused me TONS AND TONS of problems and made me see anything Sapphire as garbage just like you see anything nVidia as such.

But again despite of your personal hating to the brand, the 7990 has serious problems, real problems that render it immature and problematic technology, now AMD has been promising better drivers that would fix the problem for a while, we are yet to see such drivers, and they may never fix the problem as it could be just the way the Tahiti chip is just is and in this case the 7990 will always work worse than the 690 until AMD comes up with its next 20nm based architecture that is supposed to have this issue fixed.

You are in somewhat tricky position, but sure if you will feel better owning a 7990 which i know you will, then just buy it, but don't have your expectations very high because you might not be happy with the end results.

For the most part, the current generation's crossfire introduce more problems and issues than they do helping performance.


After having to deal with the nightmare called Lenovo IdeaPad Y570, I decided to start building a desktop computer for myself, building it took almost an year as of the time of buying a new PSU and HD 7990. When I got a Sapphire HD 6770 for the desktop, I was absolutely amazed. I had 3 times higher frame rates compared to what I experienced with the 555M, I didn't have lag spikes or slowdown even in the most unoptimized games like Crysis 1 and every game ran perfectly.. From that time on, I decided to never turn my back at AMD and to never buy Nvidia cards again.. Some people may say that HD 6770 is nothing that good to be happy about and that it's a medium-end card stably going to the low-end, but from what I've experienced with the 555M, 6770 came as an upgrade from GeForce2 to 9800pro.. I have so much faith in AMD, that I am ready to buy their cards with closed eyes, which as you said may hide its dangers..
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May 26, 2013 6:05:41 AM

Great, so i think you have all your information complete at this point, and you are fully aware of what you are buying, then all is left is to just go ahead and make your purchase, nothing else can be said or researched further..

Now is your own personal decision time, good luck with whatever you decide to buy :) 
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May 26, 2013 6:08:57 AM

MyNewRig said:
Great, so i think you have all your information complete at this point, and you are fully aware of what you are buying, then all is left is to just go ahead and make your purchase, nothing else can be said or researched further..

Now is your own personal decision time, good luck with whatever you decide to buy :) 

Thank you!
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May 26, 2013 6:17:01 AM

but then in your situation it could be best to buy the 7970Ghz single card for now because for you it will be the best of both worlds, it is AMD as you like it to be and it is a proven and reliable technology being a single card without any of the immature crossfire component.

This card will be much cheaper than the 7990 and will last you for at least one year until AMD's Volcanic Islands 20nm Hawaii 9970 is out and then you can use the money that you saved from your 7970Ghz purchase over the 7990 to buy the next 9970 which will be in the performance range of today's 7990 and can be had for the money you saved this year by getting the 7970Ghz and will then last you for say a couple more years.

This way and with the same amount of money, you could have awesome gaming performance for say 3 years, all based on AMD technology :) 

If i was in your position i would do exactly that, instead of spending so much money on the 7990 today when Volcanic Islands will be out in around 6 months
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May 26, 2013 6:22:39 AM

Or use that leftover cash from the 7970 and get yourself either a 3x1080p monitor setup or 1440p monitor, so then if you wanted to get a 9990 later on (I imagine by then FrameRating issues would be lessened given AMD have had most of a year to come up with a hardware solution + Drivers) you could actually benefit from its performance.

Youv mentioned before you want 100+FPS in games, most monitors cant even display faster than 60FPS. By increasing the resolution your placing more load on the GPU, therefore actually taking advantage of its extra performance.
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May 26, 2013 6:26:29 AM

manofchalk said:
^Agreed

Right now AMD Crossfire solutions (which is what a 7990 is) aren't a good option given their FrameRating issues, and with the GTX780 coming out and being virtually identical to a Titan offers much better Price/Performance.

If you decide to go 7990 anyway, that Gigabyte Radeon mentioned is your only option, all the others are out of stock :p . From what I can tell their all pretty much identical anyway (except for the Powercolour 7990, but dont go for that since its an older 7990 model, designed by the manufacturers and not AMD themselves).


This is true but AMD is releasing fix in june and july
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May 26, 2013 6:34:53 AM

Krazeee said:

This is true but AMD is releasing fix in june and july


and we are still not sure what this solution will be like, if the problem is hardware-based, drivers can only provide workarounds like limiting FPS to enhance rating or some similar solution, in which case the GTX 690 SLI solution will maybe faster as its chip does not suffer from the same problem.

I would not base my buying decision on a software solution that has been promised for long and has not become reality yet.

What we know for sure is that AMD can do so much on a 20nm node with a new architecture that is said to be re-engineered from the group up.

In all cases i wouldn't spend so much TODAY on a crossfire solution if i am willing to stick with AMD

Either buy a single card solution for now, or wait until June/July to verify the promised solution or save as much money as i can for the upcoming 9970 :) 
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May 26, 2013 6:37:29 AM

manofchalk said:
Or use that leftover cash from the 7970 and get yourself either a 3x1080p monitor setup or 1440p monitor, so then if you wanted to get a 9990 later on (I imagine by then FrameRating issues would be lessened given AMD have had most of a year to come up with a hardware solution + Drivers) you could actually benefit from its performance.

Youv mentioned before you want 100+FPS in games, most monitors cant even display faster than 60FPS. By increasing the resolution your placing more load on the GPU, therefore actually taking advantage of its extra performance.


Then he should invest in 1x120hz 1080p monitor instead of 3 60fps 1080p monitors because he'd need triple the power to render that while he can run a 100fps on a single 7970
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May 26, 2013 6:42:14 AM

MyNewRig said:
but then in your situation it could be best to buy the 7970Ghz single card for now because for you it will be the best of both worlds, it is AMD as you like it to be and it is a proven and reliable technology being a single card without any of the immature crossfire component.

This card will be much cheaper than the 7990 and will last you for at least one year until AMD's Volcanic Islands 20nm Hawaii 9970 is out and then you can use the money that you saved from your 7970Ghz purchase over the 7990 to buy the next 9970 which will be in the performance range of today's 7990 and can be had for the money you saved this year by getting the 7970Ghz and will then last you for say a couple more years.

This way and with the same amount of money, you could have awesome gaming performance for say 3 years, all based on AMD technology :) 

If i was in your position i would do exactly that, instead of spending so much money on the 7990 today when Volcanic Islands will be out in around 6 months

You have your point, and it's a very good one, I was thinking of buying either 7970 TOXIC or GTX 690 (just because I didn't know at all if 7990 was going to come out and didn't find an AMD card with even 2/3 of 690's performance), until I found out some news saying that HD 7990 is going to come out soon, so I decided to wait for it, since my hope was for an AMD video card which was close to or better than gtx 690. As much as I liked my 6770, I wanted something extreme and more powerful, something which has more than 30 FPS on BF3 at 1920x1200 (maxed out).. From the start I knew that 6770 was going to be a temporary GPU, till I get some money to buy a better one.. At the time I bought 6770, I had a Celeron G530! A few months after that I decided that I have enough money to buy HD 7950 and i5-3570K or only i7-3770K without getting a new video card and start upgrading component by component each month.. It ended up I picked the second choice.. I've upgraded some components even 2 times and all of them at least once. I've waited an entire year to buy a new video card which I wanted so much.. At first, when I got some money, I decided not to buy HD 7970 and to wait for HD 8970 with my 6770, but after a lot of waiting I found out that HD 8970 is probably never going to be released for desktops.. This made me think about 7970 or GTX 690, and when I was just going to take the final decision, I found out about 7990.. I decided to wait till it's released and get it, because I wanted to get something extremely powerful, and not have to wait 1 year with it so that I upgrade again, just like what happened with my HD 6770.. I wanted the card to last at least 2 years in the future, on top of the wave.. It's for sure that waiting for a new GPU with 7970 is far, far better compared to waiting with 6770, but the fact that I'll have 20 FPS, 1920x1200, while running Crysis 3 maxed out kinda gets me down.. I want something really powerful, because I am fed up of upgrading month by month.. That's why I decided to buy a 3770K instead of 3570K and 7950 in the first place.. I wanted parts which will last a lot.. I am tired of upgrading, I want a system which will stay like it is for years and still be high-end and very powerful. That's why all the parts I bought till now are one of the best. 7970 is powerful, but not enough, that's why I looked at 690.. I will have to upgrade soon if I get a 7970, and the whole scene with the waiting, which happened with 6770 is going to come back again, that's why I think that HD 7990 is probably going to be a better solution.. At least I hope it is..
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May 26, 2013 6:43:27 AM

FPS doesnt decrease linearly with resolution, otherwise you would see a 50% performance drop from 720p to 1080p.
And dont underestimate how useful triple monitors are outside of gaming, I'm so used to it I could never go back to even dual monitors.

Also its a question of Long vs Short terms gains. Its whether he's in it for the long or short haul which way he goes if he decides on a different monitor setup.

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Your getting 20FPS on Crysis 3 with a 7950? You know some of those settings (like AA for example) lead to little visual benefit but tank performance. Try reducing that down to 2x and see how much performance you get. If you already have a 7950, I don't see any reason to get a better card until the 9000 series if your playing at 1080p.

Some games just cant be maxed out by current hardware. The original Crysis is a perfect example of this, it was a few years until anything could max that out with decent performance.
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May 26, 2013 6:54:16 AM

manofchalk said:
FPS doesnt decrease linearly with resolution, otherwise you would see a 50% performance drop from 720p to 1080p.
And dont underestimate how useful triple monitors are outside of gaming, I'm so used to it I could never go back to even dual monitors.

Also its a question of Long vs Short terms gains. Its whether he's in it for the long or short haul which way he goes if he decides on a different monitor setup.

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Your getting 20FPS on Crysis 3 with a 7950? You know some of those settings (like AA for example) lead to little visual benefit but tank performance. Try reducing that down to 2x and see how much performance you get. If you already have a 7950, I don't see any reason to get a better card until the 9000 series if your playing at 1080p.

Some games just cant be maxed out by current hardware. The original Crysis is a perfect example of this, it was a few years until anything could max that out with decent performance.

I didn't say that I had a 7950. The only thing I said was that I had a HD 6770 and that it would get me down if I buy a 7970, because I would have 20 FPS at 1920x1200 while playing Crysis 3 maxed out with it.
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May 26, 2013 6:57:58 AM

manofchalk said:
FPS doesnt decrease linearly with resolution, otherwise you would see a 50% performance drop from 720p to 1080p.
And dont underestimate how useful triple monitors are outside of gaming, I'm so used to it I could never go back to even dual monitors.

Also its a question of Long vs Short terms gains. Its whether he's in it for the long or short haul which way he goes if he decides on a different monitor setup.

EDIT:
Your getting 20FPS on Crysis 3 with a 7950? You know some of those settings (like AA for example) lead to little visual benefit but tank performance. Try reducing that down to 2x and see how much performance you get. If you already have a 7950, I don't see any reason to get a better card until the 9000 series if your playing at 1080p.

Some games just cant be maxed out by current hardware. The original Crysis is a perfect example of this, it was a few years until anything could max that out with decent performance.

I guess I didn't express myself properly enough. This was what I was meant to say "A few months after that I decided that I have enough money to buy HD 7950 and i5-3570K or only i7-3770K without getting a new video card and start upgrading component by component each month.."
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May 26, 2013 6:59:34 AM

Man it really bothers me when people put the 7970Ghz card down to the point of saying that on 1920x1200 it will run Crysis 3 at 20FPS!

That is simply NOT true, i had the 7970Ghz for two months and have played Crysis 3 till the end on 3 Monitors @ 4032X1024 all maximum settings with AA off or using FXAA instead of MSAA and was getting an average of 37-40 FPS on that huge resolution. Enjoyed the game so much, got bored of it, stopped playing and moved on to the next game, simple!

I don't understand why some people have the need to run Crysis 3 with 8X MSAA and get 60+ FPS while doing it. even two Titan cards do not even come close to that rage.

I also feel it is pretty crazy to keep buying super expensive GPUs just for the sake of very high MSAA on Crysis 3, the same goes for your case.

in EVERY other game on that 4K resolution i play on max settings with 4X MSAA and 8X MSAA and get around 40-50 FPS with the 7970Ghz, games included Hitman Absolution, Battlefield 3 etc..


On your 1920x1200 resolution, the 7970Ghz is just an awesomeeeeeee card, it will max out EVERYTHING and you will be extremely happy with it, it is not that weak of a card you know, as long as you can play some titles on FXAA or 2X MSAA and not more, which is really more than enough for anybody, while with 90% of all the other games even 8X MSAA is not a problem with this card.

Again nothing is wrong with having that type of experience for a year or so and then use the saved money to buy a much much better card being the 9970.

Why does it bother you so much to upgrade? how hard is it to upgrade? it only takes few days, place an order, have your card shipped, plug it in and you are done, how hard is that?
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May 26, 2013 7:11:29 AM

MyNewRig said:
Man it really bothers me when people put the 7970Ghz card down to the point of saying that on 1920x1200 it will run Crysis 3 at 20FPS!

That is simply NOT true, i had the 7970Ghz for two months and have played Crysis 3 till the end on 3 Monitors @ 4032X1024 all maximum settings with AA off or using FXAA instead of MSAA and was getting an average of 37-40 FPS on that huge resolution. Enjoyed the game so much, got bored of it, stopped playing and moved on to the next game, simple!

I don't understand why some people have the need to run Crysis 3 with 8X MSAA and get 60+ FPS while doing it. even two Titan cards do not even come close to that rage.

I also feel it is pretty crazy to keep buying super expensive GPUs just for the sake of very high MSAA on Crysis 3, the same goes for your case.

in EVERY other game on that 4K resolution i play on max settings with 4X MSAA and 8X MSAA and get around 40-50 FPS with the 7970Ghz, games included Hitman Absolution, Battlefield 3 etc..


On your 1920x1200 resolution, the 7970Ghz is just an awesomeeeeeee card, it will max out EVERYTHING and you will be extremely happy with it, it is not that weak of a card you know, as long as you can play some titles on FXAA or 2X MSAA and not more, which is really more than enough for anybody, while with 90% of all the other games even 8X MSAA is not a problem with this card.

Again nothing is wrong with having that type of experience for a year or so and then use the saved money to buy a much much better card being the 9970.

Why does it bother you so much to upgrade? how hard is it to upgrade? it only takes few days, place an order, have your card shipped, plug it in and you are done, how hard is that?

Yes, the HD 7970 is a good card, but I don't want a card which is only going to last me an year.. You may say that it's easy to buy a new card, but I am so fed up of upgrading systems and buying new computers, that I want to close my eyes for any statistics and hardware completely for 2 or 3 years.. I don't want to look at benchmarks anymore and system requirements for games. I just want to be sure that I can max out every game with my system. I want to build this computer without touching it for at least 2 years.. I am sick of upgrading, I've bought every single part for it and it took me so much searching and information gathering, from the DVD-ROM to the water cooling... I want this to finally stop and to be satisfied that I can take a break from all this madness for a few years..

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May 26, 2013 7:16:43 AM

That I dont think you can achieve, there is no graphics setup that will max out games years in the future. Throw as many Titans you want at it, you wont be able to max out games in the future.

A good reference I find if your looking toward the futuire and wondering if it will last, look backward by the same timeframe at the equivalent parts and ask if they could max current games. Many people magically think that a 7970 will last them 3 years maxing games, but would turn their nose up at the flagship of 3yrs ago as it cant max out games now.
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May 26, 2013 7:29:29 AM

LOL, again you give me a chart with 8x MSAA which is pointless really to have that particular settings that high, since your eyes will not even be able to notice that extra eye candy.

You can not skip upgrading for 3 years because some games like Crysis 3 are designed to challenge the most recent graphics hardware, it is meant to do that BY DESIGN and not because that hardware is weak.

Even if you have 4 Titans running together, in a year or so, a company will produce a game that challenges them.

Even if you have 10 of them working together (somehow) i can develop a scene with so much high quality that it is impossible to render in real-time no matter what hardware you use.

The point is that with certain hardware comes certain quality of visuals, the developer can make a games as demanding as they want or as challenging to render as they want, but as long as you are willing to dial down the settings to get the set level of visuals your card can render in real-time you will be ok.

If you think that way you will not be any longer interested to ensure that your hardware can MAX OUT any FUTURE games that comes, because still no matter what hardware you buy i can still develop scenes that challenge it.

even if you buy the 7990 card, in a 6 month time when the 9970, 9990, 880 and 890 come out, some developer will come up with a game that will challenge your 7990 and you will see your card being challenged in less than one year, not 2 or 3 years like you want.

Now you are tried of nVidia, tired of researching, tired of upgrading ... these are so many things to be tired from, and the solution is not throwing more money at the problem, because that will not solve your problem.

The solution is to STOP yourself from researching, especially when it comes to graphics cards, the formula is simple, just buy whatever fulfills your needs today and in a year time or so when you feel that many games are starting to challenge your card and not just one or two extreme titles then just get the best NextGen card and stop yourself from researching for another year and so on ...
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May 26, 2013 8:30:18 AM

manofchalk said:
That I dont think you can achieve, there is no graphics setup that will max out games years in the future. Throw as many Titans you want at it, you wont be able to max out games in the future.

A good reference I find if your looking toward the futuire and wondering if it will last, look backward by the same timeframe at the equivalent parts and ask if they could max current games. Many people magically think that a 7970 will last them 3 years maxing games, but would turn their nose up at the flagship of 3yrs ago as it cant max out games now.


MyNewRig said:
LOL, again you give me a chart with 8x MSAA which is pointless really to have that particular settings that high, since your eyes will not even be able to notice that extra eye candy.

You can not skip upgrading for 3 years because some games like Crysis 3 are designed to challenge the most recent graphics hardware, it is meant to do that BY DESIGN and not because that hardware is weak.

Even if you have 4 Titans running together, in a year or so, a company will produce a game that challenges them.

Even if you have 10 of them working together (somehow) i can develop a scene with so much high quality that it is impossible to render in real-time no matter what hardware you use.

The point is that with certain hardware comes certain quality of visuals, the developer can make a games as demanding as they want or as challenging to render as they want, but as long as you are willing to dial down the settings to get the set level of visuals your card can render in real-time you will be ok.

If you think that way you will not be any longer interested to ensure that your hardware can MAX OUT any FUTURE games that comes, because still no matter what hardware you buy i can still develop scenes that challenge it.

even if you buy the 7990 card, in a 6 month time when the 9970, 9990, 880 and 890 come out, some developer will come up with a game that will challenge your 7990 and you will see your card being challenged in less than one year, not 2 or 3 years like you want.

Now you are tried of nVidia, tired of researching, tired of upgrading ... these are so many things to be tired from, and the solution is not throwing more money at the problem, because that will not solve your problem.

The solution is to STOP yourself from researching, especially when it comes to graphics cards, the formula is simple, just buy whatever fulfills your needs today and in a year time or so when you feel that many games are starting to challenge your card and not just one or two extreme titles then just get the best NextGen card and stop yourself from researching for another year and so on ...

Hmm, I'm thinking of buying a 1500 ~ 1600 Watt PSU, because when 7990 gets 40 ~ 50% cheaper, I may buy another one and overclock them both.. What do you think about this?
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May 26, 2013 9:42:21 AM

LOOOOL, 4 way Crossfire? man you are getting way out of line with this.

With 2 way Crossfire having the problems it has, suggesting doing 4 way of that setup sounds to me like you are joking.

and by the time the 7990 gets 50% cheaper you will have at least 10 better options in that market condition to replace your outdated 7990, imagine if you are to do 5970 CF in today's market how would feel about it?

I think you are planning for yourself the worst system someone could ever have for the money you are intending to spend. and honestly i feel that this is starting to become a joke at this point you are on your own and i am out of this thread.

Good luck with whatever you want to do and cheer.
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May 26, 2013 11:45:17 AM

Here is another site with a 7990 review:
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Radeon-...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7990-revi...


You really can't judge a mobile non gaming GPU setup, and assume all Nvidia cards are bad. A GT 555m is just a very low end card on a laptop. It is not really a gaming card, and mobile cards rely on a lot of things outside Nvidia's control anyways.

If you are really dead set on going AMD, just avoid Crossfire and get a single 7970. Get a 2nd one later if Crossfire is ever fixed, and save yourself a ton of money.
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May 26, 2013 11:58:03 AM

manofchalk said:
Well it seems your pretty set on the 7990 then, and no matter what we say we cant seem to dissuade you or propose alternatoves.

Enjoy your 7990.


There is no reason to not get the 7990 as it is the fastest single card you can buy, drivers improvements have been made and will continue to improve the cards performance and issues. The GTX 690 is Vram limited, as for the GTX 780 it is the best price/performance ratio top end card but still slower than the 7990.
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May 26, 2013 12:09:54 PM

redeemer said:
manofchalk said:
Well it seems your pretty set on the 7990 then, and no matter what we say we cant seem to dissuade you or propose alternatoves.

Enjoy your 7990.


There is no reason to not get the 7990 as it is the fastest single card you can buy, drivers improvements have been made and will continue to improve the cards performance and issues. The GTX 690 is Vram limited, as for the GTX 780 it is the best price/performance ratio top end card but still slower than the 7990.


Driver improvements have not been made yet. Though they are working on it in a prototype that should improve things. It is slated for a 2nd half of the year release, as early as July. This is why I'd avoid crossfire. If you really want AMD, get a 7970 and add a 2nd one after the fix. It is cheaper that way anyways.

Review with the latest AMD drivers version 13.5 beta 2: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-780-per...
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May 26, 2013 2:12:51 PM

bystander said:
redeemer said:
manofchalk said:
Well it seems your pretty set on the 7990 then, and no matter what we say we cant seem to dissuade you or propose alternatoves.

Enjoy your 7990.


There is no reason to not get the 7990 as it is the fastest single card you can buy, drivers improvements have been made and will continue to improve the cards performance and issues. The GTX 690 is Vram limited, as for the GTX 780 it is the best price/performance ratio top end card but still slower than the 7990.


Driver improvements have not been made yet. Though they are working on it in a prototype that should improve things. It is slated for a 2nd half of the year release, as early as July. This is why I'd avoid crossfire. If you really want AMD, get a 7970 and add a 2nd one after the fix. It is cheaper that way anyways.

Review with the latest AMD drivers version 13.5 beta 2: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-780-per...


I have owned crossfire and never had a problem, there has been plenty with my SLI 680, the prototype driver works fine and 7990 owners over at OC3D report no issues. Tomb Raider still does not work properly and BF3 still crashes Nvidia WHQL drivers problems have been ongoing for months. There are Pros and Cons in each camp, that being said if you have the cash the 7990 is plenty fast.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/544882/geforce...
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May 26, 2013 2:19:15 PM

The prototype driver is not available for use. And yes, every card has some bugs here and there, though I have not had a problem with Tomb Raider, even on release day (though there was one driver that had problems, and a beta afterwards. I hadn't used those). However, CrossfireX is broken atm. If you are playing at settings a single 7970 works great, then you'll not have a problem with 2, but then again, you gain little benefit from it as well in many games.

Until the Prototype driver is released, CrossfireX is not fixed.
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May 26, 2013 3:31:05 PM

bystander said:
The prototype driver is not available for use. And yes, every card has some bugs here and there, though I have not had a problem with Tomb Raider, even on release day (though there was one driver that had problems, and a beta afterwards. I hadn't used those). However, CrossfireX is broken atm. If you are playing at settings a single 7970 works great, then you'll not have a problem with 2, but then again, you gain little benefit from it as well in many games.

Until the Prototype driver is released, CrossfireX is not fixed.


Agreed somewhat..anyway its its all work in progress.

Lots of gameplay footage Crossfire looks fine to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4-kqEQ0Ha0
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May 26, 2013 4:12:08 PM

Redeemer, the issue with Crossfire isnt in terms of FPS or visual artifacts, but a relatively new thing called FrameRating. Which once you get past all the complicated jargon around it, boils down to how many frames actually display on the screen, rather than what FRAPS tells you which is how many the game engine calls for. Right now AMD Crossfire setups perform far worse than Nvidia SLI when it comes to FrameRating.
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