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Can you help me make a descion?

I cannot decide between the Radeon HD 7970 3GB or the Ge-force gtx 680 2Gb.

(Note, the radeon comes with 4 games whereas the geforce comes with one.)
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    The 7970 is usually a better (even without the games bundle), so that is what I'd do. The GTX 680 is a good card, but isn't the best bang for the buck, IMHO.
  2. Great. Thanks a bunch.
  3. The 7970, performs better and comes with aforementioned games. I faced that decision recently and I'm pretty happy with my 7970.
  4. Thanks for answering so fast.

    Btw this is my first build.
  5. Also does anyone know if this would run just cause 2 and farcry 3 on atleast medium?
  6. alextheswimguy said:
    Also does anyone know if this would run just cause 2 and farcry 3 on atleast medium?


    Easily!

    What is the rest of your build, I'm curious?
    I hope you have a good PSU for your system also.
  7. WD Green 2 TB Desktop Hard Drive 3.5 Inch SATA III


    Asus 3.25 Inch DVD Burner

    NZXT Phantom White Enthusiast ATX Full Tower Computer Case

    CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) .

    NZXT HALE90 80 Plus Gold 850 Watt Power Supply with Modular Cable HALE90-850-M

    Intel Core I7 Ivy Bridge 3.4 GHz Quad-Core Intel HD Graphics

    Windows 7 Proffesional

    ASUS P8z7-V LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6GB/s USBB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard.
  8. Do you know if this would bottleneck?
  9. I haven't ordered the parts yet so if it does I can still change it.
  10. Quite easily, with my rig (can see in my sig) I'm near maxing out Crysis 3 at a stable 45-60FPS.

    If your just gaming, drop the CPU down to an i5. The i7's Hyperthreading has no real impact to gaming performance.
    Drop Windows down to Home Premium 64bit, Professional is only useful if your going to be using more than 16GB of RAM.
    850W is a bit overkill, on that rig a good 650W would do. If your going to Crossfire later on, get a 750W

    That Green drive also isnt ideal, but there are some things you can do.
    Use the money saved from the above to get a 120/128GB SSD for a boot drive (holds Windows, important programs) and use the Green as a storage drive (movies, music, files, unimportant programs and games).
    Or replace it with a faster drive like a WD Black or Seagate Barracuda. I suggest you go for the Seagate drive, perform just as well as the WD Black and are often a lot cheaper. Or do both :P.
  11. Even though this is completely irrelevant I will be naming it glados and I have an apperature laboratories sticker for it.
  12. Sorry this is before I revised it, I will be getting Windows home premium and an i5. I'll look into a good 750 watt psu (if you can reccomend any that would be great.) and I will look into some of the black wd hard drives and a boot drive. Thanks for the suggestion!
  13. If your ordering in the U.S., I would consider something like this:

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.74 @ Amazon)
    Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
    Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($61.20 @ Newegg)
    Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
    Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($62.99 @ NCIX US)
    Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($403.98 @ Newegg)
    Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
    Total: $1122.86
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-27 01:08 EDT-0400)
  14. This is a pretty good unit and is having a fairly big deal on it if you move quick and are fine with rebates.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139021

    Though a unit from Corsair, XFX, Seasonic, Antec High Current, PC Power and Cooling or one of the Silverstone Strider series will all serve you well.
  15. The seagate barracuda looks great. and so does the psu. Thanks.
  16. Thanks for the answers!
  17. Would the CPU cooler that comes with the CPU be insufficient?
  18. Western Digital Caviar Blue 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive vs. Seagate barracuda?
  19. Depends on what your doing. Surprisingly if you leave the CPU at stock settings, the stock cooler will do just fine. But if you want to overclock or anticipate it running flat out for extended periods of time, then you should get an aftermarket heatsink.
    The Coolermaster 212 EVO is a great budget option.
  20. Also since my budget is about 1500 and I'm saving money with your suggestions should I upgrade somethig like the graphics card or something?
  21. Sorry for the redundance in my answer if that is even a word.
  22. Finally do you know if this setup would run well on a 3D monitor.
  23. Here is what I'd do:

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.74 @ Amazon)
    Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
    Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($61.20 @ Newegg)
    Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ NCIX US)
    Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($62.99 @ NCIX US)
    Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($403.98 @ Newegg)
    Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
    Total: $1182.86
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-27 01:34 EDT-0400)

    Save the $ on this build and use the $ later to upgrade the GPU later down the line.
  24. I'll definitly have to consider that.


    Thanks for making my decision harder. Jk

  25. Or spend the extra cash on a good monitor/speakers/headphones/mouse/(mechanical?) keyboard/desk or even chair?
    A good set of peripherals (and case BTW, getting a good one is important) will easily outlast the rig.
  26. I have already chosen most of those and have a built in desk and a nice chair but I am undicided about the monitor. I have been looking at 3d monitors in the 200-400 dollar range but am unsure weather or not to get 3d. (I don't know how much my performance would be reduced when using it here is the one I am looking at : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236313. From what I've hear the NZXT phantom is a pretty good case and the one that I will most likely be going with.

    Btw Great bill Nye reference. (So much nostalgia.)
  27. manofchalk said:

    Or spend the extra cash on a good monitor/speakers/headphones/mouse/(mechanical?) keyboard/desk or even chair?
    A good set of peripherals (and case BTW, getting a good one is important) will easily outlast the rig.


    Yeah usually the Monitor is probably the next thing that I'd make sure that I have up to snuff. I just recently got a 1920 x 1080p IPS panel (21.5") and I love it. I moved up from my 6+ yr. old 1440 x 900 LCD :) I'd much rather have 2 x Monitors, so I can have my regular research web pages up, while I'm playing a game. This way I don't have to Alt/Tab out of the game to look up some data, but that is just me :)
  28. I have another monitor and am considering buying another 3 D one. Which might be sort of weird looking since I think they are different in size
  29. And I completely agree with you about 2 monitors.
  30. Your performance in 3D will effectively halve, for reasons you can find in the monitor guide linked in my sig. You need a fairly beefy setup if you want a solid 45+ FPS gaming experience in 3D. Besides, Radeon cards aren't all that great for 3D, Nvidia has that corner of the market covered. They just simply have the better software and ecosystem surrounding it.
    Really, I would go for a monitor like that because of the faster refresh rate over its ability to display 3D content.

    The other alternative is multiple monitors (I use triple monitors and its great) or going for a single larger resolution screen, say a 1440p monitor. Also a possible point is IPS vs TN.
  31. I would shy away from 3D monitors, IMHO. I don't see the fascination with them and they are a bit more spendy than what I would want to spend. I would personally look at 23-24" monitors. They are a bit bigger than the standard 21-22" ones and still offer you a little more room to view them.
  32. Would using 3 monitors also take away from performance? I'm thinking I could buy two more monitors to match the one I have.
  33. If you were to play across all three monitors yes (which is possible with the 7970), but if they were just extended desktops then no.

    I would go for three of these monitors.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236288
    23" IPS panels at a 5ms response time, at a comparable price to a TN panel.
  34. manofchalk said:
    If you were to play across all three monitors yes (which is possible with the 7970), but if they were just extended desktops then no.

    I would go for three of these monitors.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236288
    23" IPS panels at a 5ms response time, at a comparable price to a TN panel.


    Now that would be a good option with the $ saved on the build to do with :)
  35. Great ideas. I think that is what I'll do. I have to go know since it's about 1:00 A.M. here (I can't sleep when I have pc's on my mind) If I have any questions can I just ask you on this post?
  36. :lol:
    Ahh, computers be on the brain, cant sleep. I did exactly the same when I was figuring out my rig.

    Yeah, just post on this thread, we both should get a notification.
  37. Great.
  38. Glad to hear that your listening to others. I really dislike it when someone asks for ideas, but sticks to preconceived ideas on what parts are best and doesn't really budge when it's obvious what is a better setup. We'll both know when you post next, so we're here to help :)
  39. Here is my "rough draft" if you will: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/alextheswimguy/saved/1EMv
  40. If you know if I can save money on anything for the same performance let me know. Also try to keep the white/blue/silver color because this is GlaDOS and she isn't black and red.
  41. If you know if I can save money on anything for the same performance let me know. Also try to keep the white/blue/silver color because this is GlaDOS and she isn't black and red.
  42. Also would the razor deathadder be a better mouse?
  43. I'm looking at the sapphire vapor-x radeon hd 3 Gb instead.
  44. Tweaks I made to your build.

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.74 @ Amazon)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
    Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($61.20 @ Newegg)
    Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ NCIX US)
    Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.24 @ Amazon)
    Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($379.99 @ NCIX US)
    Case: NZXT Phantom (White) ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
    Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
    Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($161.99 @ Newegg)
    Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($161.99 @ Newegg)
    Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($161.99 @ Newegg)
    Keyboard: Logitech G510 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($94.99 @ Amazon)
    Mouse: Logitech G600 MMO Gaming Mouse Wired Laser Mouse ($64.98 @ SuperBiiz)
    Total: $1918.99
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-28 02:19 EDT-0400)

    When it comes to peripherals its pretty subjective, whats better for one person is worse for another.

    stop, look at your hand and how it is holding the mouse, take note of it.
    Now watch this video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luCxbVslSFM

    That will help you deicide on a mouse. I personally use a Deathadder 2013 and love the thing, I find it works very well for the hybrid Palm/Claw grip I have but it might not for you for any number of reasons. Namely its quite large, if you have small hands its probably not ideal for you.
  45. I have really large hands so the deathadder sounds perfect. Also would my performance increase if I went with the vapor-x series of that graphics card and also what would my fps be when playing farcry 3 on ultra? If its 60-80 that would be plenty. I have also decided to hold off on three monitors in intrest of saving money and will likely upgrade in 6-12 months. I also might crossfire then too so is there anything that I need to worry about if I do? Finally would used parts just be a crapshoot or would they be reliable enough? Thanks.
  46. It wouldnt perform as well as the Gigabyte, but thats purely because the Gigabyte is clocked higher. Once you start overclocking the Vapor-X should be better as it is a much better cooler.
    At a guess a stable 50+ FPS during gameplay. Its hard to give answers like that as its always variable, my 7970 ranges between 45 and 60FPS when playing Crysis 3 when everything is (near) maxed out).

    Crossfire, make sure your PSU and motherboard can handle it. The motehrboard needs at least dual PCI-2 8x slots, and the PSU needs the appropriate number of PCI-E connectors and wattage.

    Whether its a crapshoot or not is unknown, all I can say is make sure the person your buying from is reputable.
  47. 50fps is fine. that motherboard should support a crossfire setup and I will get a 750w power supply. I will order some of the parts I am confident will work.
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