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May 26, 2013 9:33:54 PM

I cannot decide between the Radeon HD 7970 3GB or the Ge-force gtx 680 2Gb.

(Note, the radeon comes with 4 games whereas the geforce comes with one.)

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May 26, 2013 9:36:22 PM

The 7970 is usually a better (even without the games bundle), so that is what I'd do. The GTX 680 is a good card, but isn't the best bang for the buck, IMHO.
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May 26, 2013 9:39:50 PM

The 7970, performs better and comes with aforementioned games. I faced that decision recently and I'm pretty happy with my 7970.
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May 26, 2013 9:42:14 PM

Thanks for answering so fast.

Btw this is my first build.
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May 26, 2013 9:46:29 PM

Also does anyone know if this would run just cause 2 and farcry 3 on atleast medium?
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May 26, 2013 9:50:37 PM

alextheswimguy said:
Also does anyone know if this would run just cause 2 and farcry 3 on atleast medium?


Easily!

What is the rest of your build, I'm curious?
I hope you have a good PSU for your system also.
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May 26, 2013 9:54:00 PM

WD Green 2 TB Desktop Hard Drive 3.5 Inch SATA III



Asus 3.25 Inch DVD Burner

NZXT Phantom White Enthusiast ATX Full Tower Computer Case

CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) .

NZXT HALE90 80 Plus Gold 850 Watt Power Supply with Modular Cable HALE90-850-M

Intel Core I7 Ivy Bridge 3.4 GHz Quad-Core Intel HD Graphics

Windows 7 Proffesional

ASUS P8z7-V LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6GB/s USBB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard.
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May 26, 2013 9:55:15 PM

Do you know if this would bottleneck?
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May 26, 2013 9:56:33 PM

I haven't ordered the parts yet so if it does I can still change it.
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May 26, 2013 10:00:07 PM

Quite easily, with my rig (can see in my sig) I'm near maxing out Crysis 3 at a stable 45-60FPS.

If your just gaming, drop the CPU down to an i5. The i7's Hyperthreading has no real impact to gaming performance.
Drop Windows down to Home Premium 64bit, Professional is only useful if your going to be using more than 16GB of RAM.
850W is a bit overkill, on that rig a good 650W would do. If your going to Crossfire later on, get a 750W

That Green drive also isnt ideal, but there are some things you can do.
Use the money saved from the above to get a 120/128GB SSD for a boot drive (holds Windows, important programs) and use the Green as a storage drive (movies, music, files, unimportant programs and games).
Or replace it with a faster drive like a WD Black or Seagate Barracuda. I suggest you go for the Seagate drive, perform just as well as the WD Black and are often a lot cheaper. Or do both :p .

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May 26, 2013 10:01:16 PM

Even though this is completely irrelevant I will be naming it glados and I have an apperature laboratories sticker for it.
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May 26, 2013 10:05:49 PM

Sorry this is before I revised it, I will be getting Windows home premium and an i5. I'll look into a good 750 watt psu (if you can reccomend any that would be great.) and I will look into some of the black wd hard drives and a boot drive. Thanks for the suggestion!
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May 26, 2013 10:08:30 PM

If your ordering in the U.S., I would consider something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.74 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($61.20 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($62.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($403.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1122.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-27 01:08 EDT-0400)
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May 26, 2013 10:10:11 PM

This is a pretty good unit and is having a fairly big deal on it if you move quick and are fine with rebates.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Though a unit from Corsair, XFX, Seasonic, Antec High Current, PC Power and Cooling or one of the Silverstone Strider series will all serve you well.
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May 26, 2013 10:13:54 PM

The seagate barracuda looks great. and so does the psu. Thanks.
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May 26, 2013 10:19:46 PM

Would the CPU cooler that comes with the CPU be insufficient?
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May 26, 2013 10:22:42 PM

Western Digital Caviar Blue 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive vs. Seagate barracuda?
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May 26, 2013 10:22:51 PM

Depends on what your doing. Surprisingly if you leave the CPU at stock settings, the stock cooler will do just fine. But if you want to overclock or anticipate it running flat out for extended periods of time, then you should get an aftermarket heatsink.
The Coolermaster 212 EVO is a great budget option.
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May 26, 2013 10:26:53 PM

Also since my budget is about 1500 and I'm saving money with your suggestions should I upgrade somethig like the graphics card or something?
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May 26, 2013 10:27:50 PM

Sorry for the redundance in my answer if that is even a word.
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May 26, 2013 10:35:25 PM

Finally do you know if this setup would run well on a 3D monitor.
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May 26, 2013 10:35:46 PM

Here is what I'd do:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.74 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($61.20 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($62.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($403.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1182.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-27 01:34 EDT-0400)

Save the $ on this build and use the $ later to upgrade the GPU later down the line.
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May 26, 2013 10:41:01 PM

I'll definitly have to consider that.


Thanks for making my decision harder. Jk
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May 26, 2013 10:45:32 PM


Or spend the extra cash on a good monitor/speakers/headphones/mouse/(mechanical?) keyboard/desk or even chair?
A good set of peripherals (and case BTW, getting a good one is important) will easily outlast the rig.
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May 26, 2013 10:52:48 PM

I have already chosen most of those and have a built in desk and a nice chair but I am undicided about the monitor. I have been looking at 3d monitors in the 200-400 dollar range but am unsure weather or not to get 3d. (I don't know how much my performance would be reduced when using it here is the one I am looking at : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168.... From what I've hear the NZXT phantom is a pretty good case and the one that I will most likely be going with.

Btw Great bill Nye reference. (So much nostalgia.)
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May 26, 2013 10:54:46 PM

manofchalk said:

Or spend the extra cash on a good monitor/speakers/headphones/mouse/(mechanical?) keyboard/desk or even chair?
A good set of peripherals (and case BTW, getting a good one is important) will easily outlast the rig.


Yeah usually the Monitor is probably the next thing that I'd make sure that I have up to snuff. I just recently got a 1920 x 1080p IPS panel (21.5") and I love it. I moved up from my 6+ yr. old 1440 x 900 LCD :)  I'd much rather have 2 x Monitors, so I can have my regular research web pages up, while I'm playing a game. This way I don't have to Alt/Tab out of the game to look up some data, but that is just me :) 
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May 26, 2013 10:57:22 PM

I have another monitor and am considering buying another 3 D one. Which might be sort of weird looking since I think they are different in size
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May 26, 2013 10:57:50 PM

And I completely agree with you about 2 monitors.
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May 26, 2013 10:59:23 PM

Your performance in 3D will effectively halve, for reasons you can find in the monitor guide linked in my sig. You need a fairly beefy setup if you want a solid 45+ FPS gaming experience in 3D. Besides, Radeon cards aren't all that great for 3D, Nvidia has that corner of the market covered. They just simply have the better software and ecosystem surrounding it.
Really, I would go for a monitor like that because of the faster refresh rate over its ability to display 3D content.

The other alternative is multiple monitors (I use triple monitors and its great) or going for a single larger resolution screen, say a 1440p monitor. Also a possible point is IPS vs TN.
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May 26, 2013 11:00:06 PM

I would shy away from 3D monitors, IMHO. I don't see the fascination with them and they are a bit more spendy than what I would want to spend. I would personally look at 23-24" monitors. They are a bit bigger than the standard 21-22" ones and still offer you a little more room to view them.
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May 26, 2013 11:03:17 PM

Would using 3 monitors also take away from performance? I'm thinking I could buy two more monitors to match the one I have.
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May 26, 2013 11:06:14 PM

If you were to play across all three monitors yes (which is possible with the 7970), but if they were just extended desktops then no.

I would go for three of these monitors.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
23" IPS panels at a 5ms response time, at a comparable price to a TN panel.
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May 26, 2013 11:08:55 PM

manofchalk said:
If you were to play across all three monitors yes (which is possible with the 7970), but if they were just extended desktops then no.

I would go for three of these monitors.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
23" IPS panels at a 5ms response time, at a comparable price to a TN panel.


Now that would be a good option with the $ saved on the build to do with :) 
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May 26, 2013 11:12:49 PM

Great ideas. I think that is what I'll do. I have to go know since it's about 1:00 A.M. here (I can't sleep when I have pc's on my mind) If I have any questions can I just ask you on this post?
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May 26, 2013 11:14:30 PM

:lol: 
Ahh, computers be on the brain, cant sleep. I did exactly the same when I was figuring out my rig.

Yeah, just post on this thread, we both should get a notification.
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May 26, 2013 11:41:32 PM

Glad to hear that your listening to others. I really dislike it when someone asks for ideas, but sticks to preconceived ideas on what parts are best and doesn't really budge when it's obvious what is a better setup. We'll both know when you post next, so we're here to help :) 
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May 27, 2013 11:40:08 AM

If you know if I can save money on anything for the same performance let me know. Also try to keep the white/blue/silver color because this is GlaDOS and she isn't black and red.
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May 27, 2013 11:40:11 AM

If you know if I can save money on anything for the same performance let me know. Also try to keep the white/blue/silver color because this is GlaDOS and she isn't black and red.
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May 27, 2013 11:46:58 AM

Also would the razor deathadder be a better mouse?
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May 27, 2013 3:28:20 PM

I'm looking at the sapphire vapor-x radeon hd 3 Gb instead.
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May 27, 2013 11:23:20 PM

Tweaks I made to your build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.74 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($61.20 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.24 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($379.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Phantom (White) ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($161.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($161.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($161.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Logitech G510 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech G600 MMO Gaming Mouse Wired Laser Mouse ($64.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1918.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-28 02:19 EDT-0400)

When it comes to peripherals its pretty subjective, whats better for one person is worse for another.

stop, look at your hand and how it is holding the mouse, take note of it.
Now watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luCxbVslSFM

That will help you deicide on a mouse. I personally use a Deathadder 2013 and love the thing, I find it works very well for the hybrid Palm/Claw grip I have but it might not for you for any number of reasons. Namely its quite large, if you have small hands its probably not ideal for you.
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May 28, 2013 8:43:18 AM

I have really large hands so the deathadder sounds perfect. Also would my performance increase if I went with the vapor-x series of that graphics card and also what would my fps be when playing farcry 3 on ultra? If its 60-80 that would be plenty. I have also decided to hold off on three monitors in intrest of saving money and will likely upgrade in 6-12 months. I also might crossfire then too so is there anything that I need to worry about if I do? Finally would used parts just be a crapshoot or would they be reliable enough? Thanks.
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May 28, 2013 3:38:53 PM

It wouldnt perform as well as the Gigabyte, but thats purely because the Gigabyte is clocked higher. Once you start overclocking the Vapor-X should be better as it is a much better cooler.
At a guess a stable 50+ FPS during gameplay. Its hard to give answers like that as its always variable, my 7970 ranges between 45 and 60FPS when playing Crysis 3 when everything is (near) maxed out).

Crossfire, make sure your PSU and motherboard can handle it. The motehrboard needs at least dual PCI-2 8x slots, and the PSU needs the appropriate number of PCI-E connectors and wattage.

Whether its a crapshoot or not is unknown, all I can say is make sure the person your buying from is reputable.
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May 28, 2013 5:10:15 PM

50fps is fine. that motherboard should support a crossfire setup and I will get a 750w power supply. I will order some of the parts I am confident will work.
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