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SLI 680, Titan, or K4000?

I am looking for a graphics solution for a workstation computer to handle HD video editing (after effects, premiere) and 3d modeling (Cinema 4D, Zbrush, Real Flow). I have a budget of around $1000.00. I am leaning toward nvidia because from what I have read all the other brands don't seem to have as up-to-date drivers. But I can't decide between SLI 680s, a Titan or K4000. It seems like the k4000 is the easy choice, but it is really old and the 2 gbs of onboard ram seems very low and not very future proof. I am leaning toward the SLI 680 but then people brought up the titan. What are your thoughts?
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  1. For what you need the Quadro would be the way to go. They're built especially for your needs. Gaming grade cards wouldn't do you justice.
  2. Unless you are gaming the 680's in SLI are pointless as those applications will not benefit from SLI. The Titan would be better in that respect, but the drivers for the K4000 are going to be optimized for the applications that you have listed so the benefits there would be better. This would allow the K4000 to have optimal use of its memory and GPU when running the applications listed whereas the Titan and 680's wouldn't have optimal GPU/Memory usage. Oh and the k4000 is new it was announced March 5th 2013.
  3. H4mmersmith said:
    For what you need the Quadro would be the way to go. They're built especially for your needs. Gaming grade cards wouldn't do you justice.


    do you think that the k4000 would out perform two 680s SLI'd. or just more bang for my buck with the K4000 that the performance is increase is minimal?
  4. caqde said:
    Unless you are gaming the 680's in SLI are pointless as those applications will not benefit from SLI. The Titan would be better in that respect, but the drivers for the K4000 are going to be optimized for the applications that you have listed so the benefits there would be better. This would allow the K4000 to have optimal use of its memory and GPU when running the applications listed whereas the Titan and 680's wouldn't have optimal GPU/Memory usage. Oh and the k4000 is new it was announced March 5th 2013.


    Oh well not sure where I got that info that it was old. Thanks. guess I would just feel more comfortable with more RAM and the 5000 is so much more of a price increase. Sounds like the k4000 is the way to go.
  5. caqde said:
    Unless you are gaming the 680's in SLI are pointless as those applications will not benefit from SLI. The Titan would be better in that respect, but the drivers for the K4000 are going to be optimized for the applications that you have listed so the benefits there would be better. This would allow the K4000 to have optimal use of its memory and GPU when running the applications listed whereas the Titan and 680's wouldn't have optimal GPU/Memory usage. Oh and the k4000 is new it was announced March 5th 2013.


    Also I noticed that the k4000 doesn't support PCI 3.0 and the titan does, will that make a big difference?
  6. Z-Licious said:
    H4mmersmith said:
    For what you need the Quadro would be the way to go. They're built especially for your needs. Gaming grade cards wouldn't do you justice.


    do you think that the k4000 would out perform two 680s SLI'd. or just more bang for my buck with the K4000 that the performance is increase is minimal?


    It's not so much more bang for your buck. Rather its the k4000 is built for what you need. Both have pros and cons but really you can narrow it down to gaming = 680/titan, workstation = k4000. The drivers for the k4000 are built and released with workstation use in mind.

    To put it simply, you'd be wasting your money if you didn't get a quadro unless you plan on using the computer as a gaming machine also.
  7. The titan is much more performance so would be better for rendering. But as others have said the k4000's optimized drivers will handle the viewports much better with those 3d software's viewports being opengl and not directx. http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/workstation-graphics-2013/benchmarks,146.html
  8. The myth that AMD's drivers are horrible is just that, a myth. I think you would be fine, especially on their workstation cards as the drivers would have to be rock-solid before they ship them to a professional audience.

    I know one of the FirePro cards (forget which) has a gaming performance similar to a 7870, you could go that route if you want the best of both worlds.
  9. @manofchalk I believe that is the firepro w7000, you can get it half price if it is your first such purchase. It is very good for rendering especially, but it lacks cuda, which is almost a must in adobe image ediiting software, and blender 3D uses it as well. It games like a 7870, however, it is less commonly supported in 3D programs. However, it is vastly superior to the quadro 4000, at the sameprice point. I was going to get one myself, but ended up getting a Titan. The Cuda cores are a life saver, and it is great at rendering, but around 2.5 million vertices, it starts to lag in the viewport in Blender. And I mean seriously lag. Think 0.5 fps. However i think this is a cpu bottleneck (i7 950 no OC, or ram 12 gb). Also, Blender is much more cpu intensive. However, I run ubuntu, and the driveres aren't optimised. Also, the card is downclocked in ubuntu to around 536 mhz. Both are good cards, however, I prfer the titan.
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    Z-Licious said:
    I am looking for a graphics solution for a workstation computer to handle HD video editing (after effects, premiere) and 3d modeling (Cinema 4D, Zbrush, Real Flow). I have a budget of around $1000.00. I am leaning toward nvidia because from what I have read all the other brands don't seem to have as up-to-date drivers. But I can't decide between SLI 680s, a Titan or K4000. It seems like the k4000 is the easy choice, but it is really old and the 2 gbs of onboard ram seems very low and not very future proof. I am leaning toward the SLI 680 but then people brought up the titan. What are your thoughts?


    Nvidia Titan and Quadro cards as for today 9th July 2013 use the same driver.
    The titan will give You excellent performance in raytracing due to its higher memory bandwitdh compared the the Quadro k4000, however the gtx 680 will perform better for that purpose if You are NOT running octacore CPU.
    If You will run octacore cpu xeon or 16 cores opterons the Titan will outperform by far also in raytracing since 8 of the 32 HYperQ streams are open,(basically You have 8 highways communicating data in and out between your GPU CPU and RAM at 288 GB sec).
    Having said so I dont know how Titan or a 680 or a quadro will handle Zbrush whne you divide your polys 10 million and up in zbrush or mudbox or maya and so on since YOu wil definately get viewport lag with a quadro k4000 at around 20 million polys and if your using a big brush you will lag heavy.(i lag at 10 million with a quadro 4000 and K4000 performs twice for this purpose)
    For high poly vieport functions amd W seriours will definately super annihilate any current NVIDIA card, so by logic since most of teh time is spent in viewport nvidia is still not put out decent cards for interacting bewteen maya 3ds zbrush mudbox apps.
    Having said so, ray tracing in cuda on the gpu is not so crucial to do on teh GPU since you can do this on teh cpu and if you work with a duall 6c or 8c or 16 opteron or even single performance of any of these YOu wil get perfect raytracing done and stil be able to keep all the apps and tv on on your extra screens and listen to music and stil have YOur threads working fine as if u only running zbrush or revit.
    Unless You are into making 3d movies where u need to render thousands of frames on Your multiple computers set up, You DONT need to RENDER on CUDAS OR GPU yes they are faster but who cares if they are.

    Applications LIke caustic visualiser will allow You to model in viewport with mental ray materials on and rendered, and this plugin works on cpu its as fast as VRay RT but with photoralistic render in viewport allowing you to model with the rendered material. YOu can also add their special Caustic Series2 Ray Tracing Acceleration cards are PCIe add-in boards
    https://caustic.com/series2/index.html and raytrace RT or render super fast.
    So lets see
    a W7000 u can get for 550 popunds plus tax
    a S2 Pci add on for one cpu for 450 bucks
    and for thsi amount of money YOu wil be able to handle easily 60 million polys in viewport in raytrace and render with mental ray materials on at all time.
    If You do wanna render you will comfortable be able to render 30 million polys with a single cpu set up and twice as much with dual socket.

    You dont need to use cudas IN AE neither as there are alternative solutions to using cudas, and even if You do use cudas if u dont have xeons CPUs You wil not be doing Your "AVATAR "2 HD editing.
    So DONT BUY MARKETING CRAP the first thing ALWAYS in having a workstation is and will always be kick ass CPU, nvidia will never ever and ever get anywhere close to intel technologie, RD, worksorce assets snce they do not neither design nor manufacture CPUs nor even get anywhere near High end FAB chipset manufacturers, on the long run AMD or intell wil always be mileas ahead in high tech compter hardware, and Nbidia will always opt for low end chipset manufacturers who need the financial need to partner and be sponsored by Corporates like Nvidia. YOu mighr ven wanna consider that in the future computers wil not USE GPUs at all and all will be a SOC (system on chip) so Nvida will try to get as much market share as possible before it will sel out to monsters like intel who wil buy their assets just to get them out of the market.
    Apple computers too is more and more marrying with amd ony because thunderbolt will replace PCIe, and if computer manufactures will have to conform NOT to use PCI nvidia is out of the game, and will juts have to conform to sell GPUs to suckers who would spend 2k ona gaming rig rather than spending 500 bucks for a playstation which works just as well.

    on the other hand..
    if You wanna make Your movie totally on visual effects you can still open cl with your amd card in combination with a titan or 680 or what ever u want in other computers in Your room that are networked in a renderfarm setting which any amateur can do.
    So a sa conclusion, it seems you wanna spend a thousand bucks and have superfluent workflow, nvidia is not the way not for at least the next 2 years until volta will be out and we will see if it is what they say or if its another marketing illusion as it was done for titan or K20(k30 will be out soon and if quadro k6000 will be anything below 12 gygas vram and at 384 bit with 320 gb memory bandwitdh, that will be a super flop as well for nvidia.)
    You need to understand that very few people use these supposedly dream cards even in professional visual effects studios, same is for gaming rigs, the number of peole who buy these high end gaming card are pretty much 80% more of the number of peole you see threading in forums, so a very veyr irrelevant number or people, all these super products are there just for cumputer manufacturers sign commercial agreements with nvidia to mount commercial level end laptop ,tablet and PC out from factory.
    The American Market as per tradition doesnt even use GPU on laptops much but sells on integrated graphics.
    So You wann buya quadro K4000 that runs on pci3 gen 2 for 1k with less bit but lil more bandwidth than femri 4000, id rather buy an amd W7000 that out performs a k 5000 for 600 or wait next year after intel relases their new gen xeons, that is when you will see the serious GPU be relased on teh market, what is around now is just trash.
    Buy a good 8C single or dual socket workstation, and you wil not be looking on tomshardware forums anymore to aks advice to people who model a stupid ferrari in vray using defalut shader presets with a 150k polys tops.

    You will need to consider that Nvidia has total control over mental ray now, and if that is your prefferred render engine You will e forced in future to use CUDAS OR use different render engines like Houdini or Maxwell which have nicer material set ups than mental ray, (i love mental ray i always worked with this) but i cna love very much maxwell and get even better results with less stress on making nodes and lights set ups).
    So If You are kinda of a newbie in this field and you liek to use shaders that are avalable to download ade by others because you dotn know how to make your own, stick with Nvidia and Vray. If YOu want to do really amazing work and learn then get ur adobe suites learn how to work in after effects how to make textures how to make HUDs how to make phtorealistic light bulbs of any kelvin type and look for proper solution graphics accordingly to the software you use, and I never ever USE CUDAS, i dont mind to render my final setup which i have seen live already in my vieport even in 1 hour or 3, if i have my othr screens avalable and My cpu and rest of My hardware allows me to go on with My work, while i still can listen to Tv as im doing so on my 3rd screen.
    Ask advice to epople wo make textures in zbrush or mudbox using at least 20 30 million polys resolutions on a single uncombined part of theri build, and You will get a cmputer you will be happy with until for the next 5 years and stop looking at Nvidia or amd websites.


    p.s. if titan is using the same driver as Quadro and tesla it only means that NOBODY is bying teslas and Keplar quadros becuase they are out dates already since teh day before they was relased on the arket in march of this current year. Titan is juts a way to selll to pros at disconted prices of the same GPUs that never sold in one year. People dot really need to raytrace on the GPU, if u are apro trust me u wil have best xeons or opterons u wont need any tesla for raytracing.
  11. +1 for the AMD Firepro W7000 http://amzn.to/184LhHn
  12. One 680 will outperform a quadro k4000, you dont need sli , sli wil not work in open gl .
    One Amd w7000 wil outperform a quadro k4000.
    One gtx 670 will outperfom a quadro k4000
    one gtx 660 ti will outperfom a quadro k4000
    the same for a gtx 660.

    But choose for a Quadro or firepro if u dealing with lots of polys *over 10 million
    if not buy a 680 because it wil be faster than anything above on your cpu and for what you do.
    DONT BUY TWO take yoru girlfriend to a fine restaurant instead you will get more from than than a second 680 for after effects.
    You stil do not want to comprehend that gtx 680 is a quadro k5000 dont you?!
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