New Build. Comparing some recommendations and some parts! Thanks guys.

ephill14

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Approximate Purchase Date: June 4 - June 10

Budget Range: (e.g.: 300-400) 900 - 1000 After Rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Streaming/Gaming

Are you buying a monitor: No, I already have a small, new 20 inch HP monitor. But if there is a good deal/combo I'm interested.

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Any

Location: Clarksville, TN 37042

Parts Preferences: I prefer Intel, but I've been told new intel processors are coming out, and AMD is more upgradeable. And ultimately, upgrading is important in the future.

Overclocking: I have no experience overclocking, but I'd love to learn. So keep that in mind.

SLI or Crossfire: I have no idea what this is

Your Monitor Resolution: I'm almost 100% sure its a 1920 x 1080p monitor.

Additional Comments: Noise isn't an issue. However, i would like to say when it comes to HDD I'd love to have some solid-state. I'd prefer a 128GB solid state and a 320GB HDD than just a 1TBHDD.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: First Custom Build ever. I'm relatively inexperienced but I have a friend that will help out. Ultimately, i think i can put 1100 total towards this build. But I'm looking at a new gaming keyboard and Headset, so, if you can find those for a good price you can put the extra in to the PC.

This build was recommended by envy14tpe:
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.98 @ Outlet PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($248.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1040.80

And this is the Narwhal build from MMO-Champion:

Case Cooler Master HAF 912 - $46
Power Supply Corsair 650TX V2 - $87
CPU Intel i5-3570K - $220
Heatsink Thermaltake Frio - $57
Motherboard ASUS P8Z77-V LK - $120
Memory 8GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $59
Graphics Card 7950 OR GIGABYTE GTX 660 Ti - $280
Hard Drive Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $95
SSD SAMSUNG 840 128GB (Review) - $101
OR
OCZ 128 GB Vertex 4 (Review) - $126
DVD Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $23
Total $987 - $1113

How do they compare? What is worse? What is better? Is a heatsink better than a cooling system?

These two cards are on Newegg right now. How are they?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127699&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL052813&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL052813-_-EMC-052813-Latest-_-DesktopGraphicsVideoCards-_-14127699-L013A for 193.49

AND

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161404&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL052813&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL052813-_-EMC-052813-Latest-_-DesktopGraphicsVideoCards-_-14161404-L013B for 219.99

Also, a friend of mine has some hardware He's trying to sell. 8GB DDR3, Radeon HD 6850 with 1GB DDR5, asus f1 or f5 motherboard, he isn't sure, amd 64 dual core processor at 2.7 GHz, and a case.

He will give me good prices on these, and, do i need to worry about whether the case will fit everything? I'm not sure which kind it is, but i know its normal size. I'm likely going to buy the Ram off of him, maybe put 16 in the computer. Thoughts?
 

scopey86

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I would take a mix of the two. Go with the second build overall, but substitute the Coolermaster 212 EVO instead of the frio ock (which is loud as hell and annoying), and change the SSD. Don't get a samsung 840, either try to get an 840 pro, or an 830 pro if you can find it. Otherwise the Vertex 4 or the OCZ Vector would be your best choice. Either way, wait a month or so for now, as the new line of intel processors are coming out. That means that either you could switch and grab one of the new 4570ks, or hopefully prices will drop again on the 3570k so you have a bit more extra cash.
 


If you're planning to buy after Haswell drops, you should probably wait to design until Haswell drops. We don't know which CPUs and motherboard are going to be most optimal yet.

On the offer from your friend, I wouldn't consider any of it other than the RAM, which would be worthwhile if it's 1600mhz CAS 9 or below RAM from a good brand. 16 GB of RAM doesn't help with gaming, so I wouldn't recommend it.
 

ephill14

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Say that I'm considering buying these parts today or tomorrow. Many have told me that the perforance jump between haswell and ivy bridge will be minimal, and that Ivy bridge will stay more than acceptable for the next couple years. In that case, what should the final build look like?
 

scopey86

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Given that, then yeah just go with what I said. You are right Haswell will be negligibly better than Ivy. The second one with the changes I mentioned would probably be your best bet. Keep in mind that for the SSD, it won't make a terrible difference which one you choose in the end, as real world performance between them will result in almost 0 difference that you'll notice.
 
If you were buying tomorrow, this would be my suggestion:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.69 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.24 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($379.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1088.79
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-28 13:21 EDT-0400)

If having an SSD is important to you, you could knock the GPU down to a 7950 and add the 840 from the first build.

Edit: Just noted stated preference for an SSD. Adjusting build now.

Edit 2: Adjusted build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.69 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.24 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($299.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1098.78
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-28 13:24 EDT-0400)