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May 28, 2013 5:35:30 PM

Hey all,

New to community and requesting expert advice on an all purpose budget family build I am working on currently. Gathering info thru forums atm since its been 15+yrs since I built my last PC. Working on this build for a few days now. Any and all input appreciated..


Approximate Purchase Date: This week

Budget Range: $1000-1200

System Usage from Most to Least Important:
Research Papers / Presentations, online video courses, gaming, blu-ray DVD's, blu-ray

Parts Not Required: OS, speakers, mic, monitor, headset, tv tuner

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: amazon.com, ncix.com, newegg.com

Country: USA

Parts Preferences: i-5-3570k, please recommend a superb keyboard for typing, is there a Wi-Fi adapter?

Overclocking: yes

SLI or Crossfire: maybe

Monitor Resolution:
32' Sony 720p LED TV

Additional Comments:
PC needs to be quiet enough to use while others asleep, yet enough airflow to keep it cooled when gaming or streaming netflix for several hours



CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Quad-Core Processor $209.99
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120mm PWM Fan $29.74
Motherboard:ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA 1155 Motherboard $134.99
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 MHz $50.79
Storage: Mushkin Enhanced Chronos Deluxe 240GB SSD $179.99
Storage: Western Digital WD Blue WD10EZEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache HDD $64.99
Video Card: Powercolor Radeon HD 7870 PCS+ MYST. (TAHITI LE) 2GB $199.99 AR
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 ATX Case $69.99
Power Supply: XFX 650W PRO Core Edition ATX Power Supply 80PLUS Bronze $59.99 AR
Optical Drive: Blu-Ray Player External USB DVD RW Laptop Burner Drive $34.65

Total: $1035.11
(Prices include shipping, taxes, after rebates, and discounts when available.)

Some cash left over for a good keyboard and extra fans.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
May 28, 2013 5:40:52 PM

My suggestion is to change the case into a CM HAF Mid Tower...
Since you said over clocking then cable management is key.
The HAF cases have openings to route your cable and has a special place for liquid cooling radiators.
Other then that your build looks solid
a b 4 Gaming
May 28, 2013 5:42:39 PM

here you go
haswell the new intel cpus are going to come in about june 2.
10-15% performance increase, only a bit higher price, new 1150 socket, which means new motherboards will be available (for overclocking z87 ).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.69 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP4 TH ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($56.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.24 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($248.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($75.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG UH12NS29 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1170.82
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-28 20:51 EDT-0400)



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May 28, 2013 6:15:53 PM

Fallensegal said:
My suggestion is to change the case into a CM HAF Mid Tower...
Since you said over clocking then cable management is key.
The HAF cases have openings to route your cable and has a special place for liquid cooling radiators.
Other then that your build looks solid


Thanks for the great suggestion of the HAF's, apparently there are many to choose from!
May 28, 2013 6:32:05 PM

Since it's a family computer, I assume you won't be needing it for gaming. I'd personally recommend any mechanical OR ergonomic keyboard. For a mechanical keyboard, try Razer or Corsair (gaming keyboards are ALWAYS the best keyboards, as they are designed for prolonged usage!).
I'd swap the 8GB of memory for 16GB. Why? Simply because w/ family computers, there are ALWAYS a lot of programs open. Assuming you are a nuclear family, there will be @ one point 5 heavy programs running. All at the same time.
Besides that, nice build :) 
a b 4 Gaming
May 28, 2013 6:34:11 PM

well i guess the kids are going to play some games :) 
May 28, 2013 6:37:10 PM

Marcopolo123 said:
here you go
haswell the new intel cpus are going to come in about june 2.
10-15% performance increase, only a bit higher price, new 1150 socket, which means new motherboards will be available (for overclocking z87 ).

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP4 TH ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)




Thanks for the input. I didnt know the Haswell CPU was around the corner.

Sorry in advance for my uneducated question - So if I waited for Haswell instead of the i5-3570k, seems I should hold off on getting the z77 motherboard above as well?

If so, I will need to wait for z87 motherboards.. guessing the will they come out around the same time?

Really glad you mentioned the Haswell.
May 28, 2013 6:40:32 PM

JUST SAYING

people say there isn't significant changes with Haswell.
It is basically the same as Ivy-Bridge.

Also to make it lighter on your wallet I would buy an AMD processor and spend it on the GPU.

If you have the money then buy the i5
I am saying this to beef up your gfx

Best solution

a b 4 Gaming
May 28, 2013 6:41:09 PM
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id rather get a fractal case. they are built better for cheaper and they are quieter. haf cases are no where near quiet

heres what i would get
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/10T6R

-drop the psu down to a 550w if you are not going to SLI or crossfire
-if you want to save money, the 7950 is fine for that
-better board than the extreme4 due to better onboard components used
-there is no reason to recommend 16gb. i can fire up black ops 2 and 10 ACTIVE tabs and some other crap without going over 50% ram usage with 8gb
-gaming keyboards arent always the best keyboards for typing. it just so happens that they are cheap. the strom trigger is about as high end as it gets. just keep in mind this keyboard is rather loud and so are all the other mech keyboards to a certain degree
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
a b 4 Gaming
May 28, 2013 6:41:59 PM

you can wait for haswell if you want. there is for sure going to be an improvement on the overclocking and the performance overall. if i were you, id wait since its a week away
a b 4 Gaming
May 28, 2013 6:43:07 PM

also to be honest, get yourself a 1080p screen. 720p is the bottleneck to your rig
May 28, 2013 6:44:41 PM

exodasius said:
Since it's a family computer, I assume you won't be needing it for gaming. I'd personally recommend any mechanical OR ergonomic keyboard. For a mechanical keyboard, try Razer or Corsair (gaming keyboards are ALWAYS the best keyboards, as they are designed for prolonged usage!).
I'd swap the 8GB of memory for 16GB. Why? Simply because w/ family computers, there are ALWAYS a lot of programs open. Assuming you are a nuclear family, there will be @ one point 5 heavy programs running. All at the same time.
Besides that, nice build :) 


Thanks for the encouragement and keyboard suggestions, been knocking my head around all day reading amazon reviews on whether to go mechanical or not. They seem worth it in the long run. I was considering 16MB memory also... (that and in case I do decide to pickup any new games coming out)
May 28, 2013 6:51:27 PM

Marcopolo123 said:
well i guess the kids are going to play some games :) 


Trying to keep it out of their reach for now, while they are still very young (under 4). Part of the reason for the R4 case was the sleak, yet plain, and quiet looking case, hopefully lessening the attraction to it until they are at least not drooling on it... (crossing fingers) ;) 
a b 4 Gaming
May 28, 2013 6:52:35 PM

mechanical is awesome. it will make you type at least 10wpm faster and it will make you type for longer periods of time due to how comfrotable it is. and 95% of them are built like tanks anyways. they will last you
May 28, 2013 6:57:48 PM

Fallensegal said:
JUST SAYING

people say there isn't significant changes with Haswell.
It is basically the same as Ivy-Bridge.

Also to make it lighter on your wallet I would buy an AMD processor and spend it on the GPU.

If you have the money then buy the i5
I am saying this to beef up your gfx



I get what you mean, if AMD, what would you recommend?
May 28, 2013 6:57:49 PM

Fallensegal said:
JUST SAYING

people say there isn't significant changes with Haswell.
It is basically the same as Ivy-Bridge.

Also to make it lighter on your wallet I would buy an AMD processor and spend it on the GPU.

If you have the money then buy the i5
I am saying this to beef up your gfx



I get what you mean, if AMD, what would you recommend?
May 28, 2013 7:01:26 PM

TheBigTroll said:
you can wait for haswell if you want. there is for sure going to be an improvement on the overclocking and the performance overall. if i were you, id wait since its a week away


TheBigTroll said:
also to be honest, get yourself a 1080p screen. 720p is the bottleneck to your rig


Noted. Need to start my Black Friday list after this..
a b 4 Gaming
May 28, 2013 7:09:54 PM

What do you want to play on which settings?
Since its a 720p resolution , pretty much every game will run very smooth. So downgrading the cpu in order to upgrade the gpu isnt realy necessary...

Yes haswell cpu only run on motherboards with 1150 socket.
The haswell option won't cost much more. I'd wait
May 28, 2013 7:12:36 PM

TheBigTroll said:
mechanical is awesome. it will make you type at least 10wpm faster and it will make you type for longer periods of time due to how comfrotable it is. and 95% of them are built like tanks anyways. they will last you


Sounds really good, and I am guessing there are quiet typing ones as well, ones that don;t click or make noise. My wife types super fast. What do you use, or any suggestion of one?

Sorry the mechanical keyboard thing is really new to my wife and I, since the price pt. was never something we were interested until now...
May 28, 2013 7:20:53 PM

Marcopolo123 said:
What do you want to play on which settings?
Since its a 720p resolution , pretty much every game will run very smooth. So downgrading the cpu in order to upgrade the gpu isnt realy necessary...

Yes haswell cpu only run on motherboards with 1150 socket.
The haswell option won't cost much more. I'd wait


Yeah, think I will wait one more week for the haswell.

As for games, guess I am a casual gamer (small kids = next to no time), but thinking I would enjoy trying all the games I would get with an 7870 promo's - Crysis 3, TombRaider, Bioshock Inf.... and read the Tahiti could overclock well, but now I am realizing my 720p will bottleneck it ...

a b 4 Gaming
May 28, 2013 7:21:36 PM

they are all louder than the stuff that you normally use. if you want silence with mech keyboards, you arent going to get it for cheap

the cherry blues (the ones im recommending and using to type this) are loud and clicky, but they feel the best for typing. a cherry brown switch is probably your best bet if you want that tactile bump but no click. you could purchase o-rings like these to dampen the noise however
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/keyboar...
May 29, 2013 4:19:08 AM

I wouldn't go with the AMD CPU for family computers, simply because an i5 already has 4 strong cores and has been rated as much, much better for most intense activities. AMD will only rock in very few cases in the same price range. TBH though, you should get the CPU with the highest Ghz you are able to nab.
May 29, 2013 4:19:12 AM

I wouldn't go with the AMD CPU for family computers, simply because an i5 already has 4 strong cores and has been rated as much, much better for most intense activities. AMD will only rock in very few cases in the same price range. TBH though, you should get the CPU with the highest Ghz you are able to nab.
May 29, 2013 4:24:02 AM

CYB_3 said:
Fallensegal said:
JUST SAYING

people say there isn't significant changes with Haswell.
It is basically the same as Ivy-Bridge.

Also to make it lighter on your wallet I would buy an AMD processor and spend it on the GPU.

If you have the money then buy the i5
I am saying this to beef up your gfx



I get what you mean, if AMD, what would you recommend?


If you get an fx-4130 and an am3+ Asrock 970 Extreme3 mobo then you will save about 100 dollars.

With that you could really get a nice gfx

a b 4 Gaming
May 29, 2013 4:52:40 AM

yes, and you lose more than 50% in performance and increase heat and power levels by 15%. sure its a good recommendation

and this is comparing the 4300 and the 3570k. reduce the 4300 score by 10% to get the score of a 4130
a b 4 Gaming
May 29, 2013 4:54:14 AM

100 extra dollars does nothing considering the 7970 or the 670 is where performance pretty much maxes out. the 780 is still out of reach at that price point anyways. not to mention, running 720p or 1080p, the difference wont matter anyways
May 29, 2013 5:49:49 AM

TheBigTroll said:
yes, and you lose more than 50% in performance and increase heat and power levels by 15%. sure its a good recommendation

and this is comparing the 4300 and the 3570k. reduce the 4300 score by 10% to get the score of a 4130



I cant tell if you are being sarcastic... so AMD fx-4130 worth considering in your opinion? (this is assuming I dont wait for the haswell)
May 29, 2013 7:42:18 AM

TheBigTroll said:
100 extra dollars does nothing considering the 7970 or the 670 is where performance pretty much maxes out. the 780 is still out of reach at that price point anyways. not to mention, running 720p or 1080p, the difference wont matter anyways



I had thought I would get the PowerColor 7870 Tahiti in order to overclock since it is more a 7930 or the like, and I'd only consider crossfire in the future when I get a better monitor/tv, like you said.
May 30, 2013 4:22:31 AM

CYB_3 said:
TheBigTroll said:
100 extra dollars does nothing considering the 7970 or the 670 is where performance pretty much maxes out. the 780 is still out of reach at that price point anyways. not to mention, running 720p or 1080p, the difference wont matter anyways



I had thought I would get the PowerColor 7870 Tahiti in order to overclock since it is more a 7930 or the like, and I'd only consider crossfire in the future when I get a better monitor/tv, like you said.


To be honest, the 7870 doesn't need to be overclocked :)  It plays Crysis 3 @ 65 FPS w/ fraps recording, and slightly weaker system specs (I can link a video to anyone who doesn't believe me.)
a b 4 Gaming
May 30, 2013 7:01:35 AM

choose a gtx 770
a b 4 Gaming
May 30, 2013 7:05:19 AM

its the same thing as a 680, just overclocked from the factory. the 670s are dropping in price anyways. no point
May 31, 2013 11:02:52 AM

TheBigTroll said:
its the same thing as a 680, just overclocked from the factory. the 670s are dropping in price anyways. no point


Guess I could go for a a gtx 680 or 670, my only question is (and I have been on the forums), will specific graphics cards work any better, or wose, with the haswell coming out next week...
a b 4 Gaming
May 31, 2013 11:05:31 AM

they work the same. no difference
May 31, 2013 1:27:35 PM

CYB_3 said:
TheBigTroll said:
its the same thing as a 680, just overclocked from the factory. the 670s are dropping in price anyways. no point


Guess I could go for a a gtx 680 or 670, my only question is (and I have been on the forums), will specific graphics cards work any better, or wose, with the haswell coming out next week...


They'll all be fine, dw. You'll only notice a decrease in performance if you are hosting a Crysis 3 private server (God forbid the amount of memory it'd take!), while playing it on 2 monitors at the same time. Even then, you can just SLI them in the future :)  You should go with a GTX 680 if you can afford another one soon, simply because 2 are nearly as strong as a GTX 690, AND $200 less :) 
a b 4 Gaming
May 31, 2013 2:46:34 PM

but gtx 680 still cost more then a gtx 770
a b 4 Gaming
May 31, 2013 5:04:19 PM

the prices are supposed to drop soon for the 670 and 680. just that the retailers are lazy as of now
June 1, 2013 9:33:01 AM

Marcopolo123 said:
but gtx 680 still cost more then a gtx 770


Not by much tho. Besides, two 770s is no where near the level two 680s are, AND 680s can be OCed for much more power too. I don't believe it is possible to OC a 770, so yeah.
New doesn't mean better.
a b 4 Gaming
June 1, 2013 9:57:24 AM

exodasius said:
Marcopolo123 said:
but gtx 680 still cost more then a gtx 770


Not by much tho. Besides, two 770s is no where near the level two 680s are, AND 680s can be OCed for much more power too. I don't believe it is possible to OC a 770, so yeah.
New doesn't mean better.


nope. the 770 is a 680 on steroids. there is no way that a 680 will beat a 770 due to the 770 having more voltage options and out of the box faster clocks (essentially binned 680s that nvidia reserved for the 770 launch)
June 2, 2013 4:53:16 PM

TheBigTroll said:
exodasius said:
Marcopolo123 said:
but gtx 680 still cost more then a gtx 770


Not by much tho. Besides, two 770s is no where near the level two 680s are, AND 680s can be OCed for much more power too. I don't believe it is possible to OC a 770, so yeah.
New doesn't mean better.


nope. the 770 is a 680 on steroids. there is no way that a 680 will beat a 770 due to the 770 having more voltage options and out of the box faster clocks (essentially binned 680s that nvidia reserved for the 770 launch)


Nah, as you said yourself "its the same thing as a 680, just overclocked from the factory
That means, if you OC a 680, you will have an equivalent card for cheaper. And, I've read reviews of the 770, and many reviewers agree that 770 can't really be OCed much. It can, but not as much an 680 can OC. I'm just waiting for a benchmark of the two to come out (Both OCed safely to their max)
a b 4 Gaming
June 2, 2013 5:12:11 PM

actually no. the 770 can overclock much higher due to the higher voltage celing
June 3, 2013 2:20:43 PM

TheBigTroll said:
actually no. the 770 can overclock much higher due to the higher voltage celing


Well crap, I guess I lose this argument :(  GF tho :) 
'Nyways, since you aren't planning anything big with this PC, I wouldn't go for 770. Mainly because the price point isn't worth it considering what you said you'll be doing.
June 3, 2013 3:24:22 PM

exodasius said:
TheBigTroll said:
actually no. the 770 can overclock much higher due to the higher voltage celing


Well crap, I guess I lose this argument :(  GF tho :) 
'Nyways, since you aren't planning anything big with this PC, I wouldn't go for 770. Mainly because the price point isn't worth it considering what you said you'll be doing.



Yes, you're correct, also my budget only allows up to maybe a gtx670, but the tough part at the moment is not the GPU... its trying to figure out what parts are compatible with the Haswell cpus while I wait for reviews of the cpu themselves....

Reading every compatibility list formy chosen parts and haswell reviews I can find before deciding what is the best Haswell i5 to get, not to mention waiting for tomshardware.com benchmarks for best ones to overclock, and which to pick if not. Really antsy having to wait for all this info... :) 

Then after all that, deciding on a GPU ...
June 4, 2013 6:10:36 PM

CYB_3 said:

Yes, you're correct, also my budget only allows up to maybe a gtx670, but the tough part at the moment is not the GPU... its trying to figure out what parts are compatible with the Haswell cpus while I wait for reviews of the cpu themselves....

Reading every compatibility list formy chosen parts and haswell reviews I can find before deciding what is the best Haswell i5 to get, not to mention waiting for tomshardware.com benchmarks for best ones to overclock, and which to pick if not. Really antsy having to wait for all this info... :) 

Then after all that, deciding on a GPU ...


Well, try pcpartpicker.com once the Haswell comes out. It's an excellent tool, and will check for compatibility + incompatibility issues, along with showing you plenty of interesting things :)  I'll leave it for you to discover though.
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