Hello. As I am in kind of a "rush" to finish the configuration of my PC and since next week Haswell CPU will be out, which do you think is the best of the line of Haswell CPUs to get? From what I've read the top of the line CPU will be the 4770? Right? If so if I am not overclocking will it make any difference at all if I choose the 4770 over the 4770K? Any best CPU suggestions? Would you buy now or wait for other and better CPU in the short term? Is the 4770 good for a system with multiGPU like two GTX 780 on SLI? Thank you very much for your answers!!
Which Haswell CPU to get for gaming?
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inzone
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Your numbering is slightly off, the top Ivy Bridge is 3770k so the top Haswell will be 4770k. With your $400 budget you would then get one model close to that amount keeping in mind that for gaming you want the best graphics card that you card afford.
I would go with an i5-4570k.
I would go with an i5-4570k.
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I suggest that the 4670K would be the best purchase.
It appears to be in your price budget.
1. Few games can use more than 2-3 cores, so the extra hyperthreads of the 4770/K will hardly be used.
Use the $100 or so saved for a stronger graphics configuration which is most important for gaming.
2. You will pay perhaps a 5% price premium for a "K" cpu over a base cpu. But, with a conservative overclock, you are likely to get 25% more power. Even if you do not OC now, you might later. And... at the end of life, a "K" will yield better resale price.
3. buy a Z87 based motherboard to permit overclocking in the future.
It appears to be in your price budget.
1. Few games can use more than 2-3 cores, so the extra hyperthreads of the 4770/K will hardly be used.
Use the $100 or so saved for a stronger graphics configuration which is most important for gaming.
2. You will pay perhaps a 5% price premium for a "K" cpu over a base cpu. But, with a conservative overclock, you are likely to get 25% more power. Even if you do not OC now, you might later. And... at the end of life, a "K" will yield better resale price.
3. buy a Z87 based motherboard to permit overclocking in the future.
Thank you all for your answers! Yes, I made a mistake in one of my posts, I meant to say 4770 and not 4470!
LAST QUESTION: Even if it is overkill and I wouldn't use it at all its potential (in gaming), being the 4770 the top of the line it would never harm (apart from my wallet) to have it over the other choices you have suggested, right? I wouldn't mind paying more ($100-150) for the better one (the 4770K).
LAST QUESTION: Even if it is overkill and I wouldn't use it at all its potential (in gaming), being the 4770 the top of the line it would never harm (apart from my wallet) to have it over the other choices you have suggested, right? I wouldn't mind paying more ($100-150) for the better one (the 4770K).
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Extra cpu power never hurts.
But, the 4770 is not the top of the line for a gamer. The 4770K would be it.
But, the 4670K would be equally good for gaming, or at least so close that you can't tell the difference.
My rule of thumb for a balanced gamer is to budget twice the cpu cost for your graphics card.
That means that you should be looking at a GTX770 or GTX780 class card.
But, the 4770 is not the top of the line for a gamer. The 4770K would be it.
But, the 4670K would be equally good for gaming, or at least so close that you can't tell the difference.
My rule of thumb for a balanced gamer is to budget twice the cpu cost for your graphics card.
That means that you should be looking at a GTX770 or GTX780 class card.
Yes, I am having two GTX 780 on SLI.
So, when companies like Alienware or Falcon Northwest say get the X79 3930 or 3970 for the BEST gaming experience they are just saying this out of commercial reasons to caught uninformed buyers with money to blow? I mean, if a person have two GTX 780 on SLI and also a 3770k and another person the same GPU SLI configuration but a 3970, would he get better FPS and/or better overall performance?
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The average gaming enthusiast will build a computer gaming rig with a i5-3750k or even the i7-3770k and get the two GTX 780 for SLI. But the hardcore gamer with the money to do so will get the X79 chipset motherboard with a 3930k and the two GTX 780 because the X79 MB will give you 40 lanes of Pci-e bandwidth for those two 780's to have actual x16 lanes of bandwidth each. Where in the Z77 or Z87 MB you will be running those 780's on x8 bandwidth each.
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The 3930K is a 6 core cpu that costs $600 or so. Yes, for cpu bound games like perhaps BF3 multiplayer, it can help.
The x8 vs x16 capability of the X79 chipset perhaps less so.
Value is another question. For the professional gamer the cost will not matter.
In most cases, the graphics configuration is the most important factor. And it does not get significantly better if you have GTX780 in sli.
That could change next year when we will start to see 4k monitors
The x8 vs x16 capability of the X79 chipset perhaps less so.
Value is another question. For the professional gamer the cost will not matter.
In most cases, the graphics configuration is the most important factor. And it does not get significantly better if you have GTX780 in sli.
That could change next year when we will start to see 4k monitors
I would be eager to the the 3930K because I've only heard good thing about it. The only thing that draw me back is that as Haswell is coming, even though I know the newer 4770K won't be better than a 3930K (or so I read) I don't like the idea of investing in something "old". But then again, if I won't really notice any REAL difference in gaming I rather save my money not getting the absolute best of the best (3930 or 3970) but a highly competent alternative like the forthcoming 4770K.
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There will also be a new model line CPU to replace the current 3930k, 3860x and 3970x and just as these were the Sandy Bridge-E model there will be also released the Ivy Bridge-E model. 4960x , 4930k and 4820k These are planned for a September 2013 release.
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Don't get Haswell. Get a 3770k instead. while I don't like referring to benchmarks, the ones on this very website give reports of the 4770k being a second faster than the 3770k in most tests while slower in some others if I recall correctly. Just use the extra cash from buying the 3770k instead on buying a water cooling CPU block and overclock the crap out of it.
Excuse my ignorance but the MB that I bought for the 4770K is the Asus P87 Deluxe that has: 2x PCIe slots x16 or dual X8. Doesn't that means that I can connect my two GTX 780 video cards on those 2 PCIe x16 slots?
If not, do you have actual numbers (percentages) telling the difference in FPS frame rates between having those 2 GTX 780 on a Z77/Z87 MB vs a X79 MB?
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You could also get a GTX 690 if you're considering a pair of GTX 780s...
The socket you're looking for is called LGA 2011 for the i7-3930k, etc.
The i7-4770 cannot be overclocked like the i7-4770k can, since you don't overclock it makes no difference to you in that case.
The i7-3770k or 4770k will both push a SLI/CF setup with dual GPUs fine.
Also a note here: if you don't overclock an "H" series MB would be fine...you only need the "Z" series MBs if you ever intend to OC your CPU.
The socket you're looking for is called LGA 2011 for the i7-3930k, etc.
The i7-4770 cannot be overclocked like the i7-4770k can, since you don't overclock it makes no difference to you in that case.
The i7-3770k or 4770k will both push a SLI/CF setup with dual GPUs fine.
Also a note here: if you don't overclock an "H" series MB would be fine...you only need the "Z" series MBs if you ever intend to OC your CPU.
Thank you very much for your clear explanation. It would be great if you could please answer my last question in reply to what another person told in this forum about the possible disadvantage for me choosing the Z87 way and going SLI vs choosing the X79 way because of this: "the X79 MB will give you 40 lanes of Pci-e bandwidth for those two 780's to have actual x16 lanes of bandwidth each. Where in the Z77 or Z87 MB you will be running those 780's on x8 bandwidth each."
My Z87 MB (Asus Z87 Deluxe) comes with 2x PCIe slots x16 or dual x8.
Will I get less FPS with my two GTX 780 for having them in my Z87 MB instead of a X79 MB? Thank you!
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Hypothetically, yes...though if your board has a configuration of x16/x1/x16/x1 on your 4 PCIe slots, then you can just make sure you install your cards into the x16 slots and leave the x1 slots open. Most MBs have different configurations for the PCIe slots to accommodate different needs.
To be certain of possible configurations, I would go to www.asus.com and check the MB you chose (by model number) and verify the configuration available on the PCIe slots for the board.
If the configuration is something like x8/x4/x8/x4 then you won't get full performance out of the GTX 780s (though the difference between x16 and x1 is a great deal, the difference between x8 and x16 is considerably less). You would only really run into situations where your frame rate dips in apps/games that use a tremendous amount of bandwidth. Right now that isn't many, but in the future it may be more.
Additionally, if the difference is between both at x16 or both at x8 your drop in frame rates would likely be somewhere in the neighborhood of 6-8% performance loss between the 2 cards. So you're not talking a huge amount...6-8 FPS @ 100 FPS average. You should still see playable frames without issue.
I would check the manufacturers listing of configurations first though, and there may be other boards with a more favorable x16/x1/x16/x1 configuration...(I know Asus has some for socket 1155/1150/AM3+ but you might have to go to something like a sabertooth to get it).
To be certain of possible configurations, I would go to www.asus.com and check the MB you chose (by model number) and verify the configuration available on the PCIe slots for the board.
If the configuration is something like x8/x4/x8/x4 then you won't get full performance out of the GTX 780s (though the difference between x16 and x1 is a great deal, the difference between x8 and x16 is considerably less). You would only really run into situations where your frame rate dips in apps/games that use a tremendous amount of bandwidth. Right now that isn't many, but in the future it may be more.
Additionally, if the difference is between both at x16 or both at x8 your drop in frame rates would likely be somewhere in the neighborhood of 6-8% performance loss between the 2 cards. So you're not talking a huge amount...6-8 FPS @ 100 FPS average. You should still see playable frames without issue.
I would check the manufacturers listing of configurations first though, and there may be other boards with a more favorable x16/x1/x16/x1 configuration...(I know Asus has some for socket 1155/1150/AM3+ but you might have to go to something like a sabertooth to get it).
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Also remember that PCIe 3.0 x8 is equivalent to PCIe 2.0 x16, which no graphics card can make full use of anyways. So 3.0 8x is fine.
Thank you 8350rocks. I guess "inzone" should do the homework before making statements like this post: "the X79 MB will give you 40 lanes of Pci-e bandwidth for those two 780's to have actual x16 lanes of bandwidth each. Where in the Z77 or Z87 MB you will be running those 780's on x8 bandwidth each" because clearly he should have seeN the features of MOST of the recent MB of Z77 and the new of Z87 having 2 x 16 PCIe 3.0 slots.
The advantage he sees in the X79 platform regarding the bandwith of the PCI slots is NOT TRUE most of the times and in most of the cases.
The advantage he sees in the X79 platform regarding the bandwith of the PCI slots is NOT TRUE most of the times and in most of the cases.
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