Computer won't post, tested standard solutions

Michal1978

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Hi,

My computer has crashed, and this is an old (2yo) build, with no new upgrades made recently. It wouldn't boot, blamed PSU, but once I stared to investigate, I got strange results. Question is: is it PSU and MoBo or PSU and CPU what burned?

CPU Intel i7 2600
MoBo Asus P8P67
PSU CoolerMaster 700W RS-700-ASAA-A1 (the only part that is 5yo)

It just shut down on Friday evening, when I was working on it. No power surge/shortage as to my knowledge - no other appliances at home got reset or anyhow affected.

When I press power on button, fans on PSU, CPU move a little and stop. No peripherals (HDD, DVDRW) start to work, everything stays silent. My PSU has the PSU failure/protection triggered LED, it stays red (and that's indicating PSU is faulty), MoBo has also a LED indicating the power is connected to it, and MoBo LED is on.

I tried some things, so - power on switch is OK. CPU fan spins up, when connected directly to PSU.

U paperclip test (green-black wire connected) of PSU passed with fan, but system does not boot under load (HDD/DVDROM/graphics card). So I used my friend son's Corsair 700W, taken from working system.

The funny part is, the system powers up with PSU replaced with a god one, but ONLY with CPU power plug DISCONNECTED (just MoBo 24 pin power plug is connected).


It's Sunday, I need this computer ASAP for work. RMA would take weeks. So I would need to buy new components when waiting for RMA. And it makes a difference in my pocket whether I have to buy new PSU and MoBo or PSU and CPU, or worse - all three.

Please, advice on test that allows me to discover, whether (apart from PSU) MoBo is faulty or CPU is faulty. Maybe it's a CPU fan (it spins with 5v applied, and soldering looks good, but maybe tacho/rpm probe has broken and as a result CPU won't boot and stop other components from booting).

Please advice. I am a bit desperate now.

Michal


 

Michal1978

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No, I haven't OC. I don't need it.
I thought of short-circuit and I have dissasembled and reassembled everything (including unscrewing and taking out the MoBo, CPU, graphics, memory and all the power connectors), including replacing thermal paste on a cooler (stock one). I can't breadboard it, not without working PSU.
 

nathanoakes

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I agree it sounds like something is shorting your motherboard. Take it apart completely, make sure you're grounded and rebuild it outside of the case. Common problems like yours are caused by the motherboard touching metal somewhere it shouldn't be so build it on a shoebox or something. If it works then check the case for any standing screws that don't need to be there, otherwise try a different PSU, motherboard and CPU if possible. Highly unlikely that the CPU is the problem but a solution all the same. Also,if you're using dual ram slots, take one out and test. If it still doesn't work, try the other on its own and in different buses and see if it works. Might be bad RAM, you see. Let me know :)
 

satyamdubey

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It's odd how this just happened out of the blue. You need a working psu to test stuff no doubt. May be a visual inspection for cooked components might help. since the system powers down when the cpu power pin is connected, I'd start with inspecting the VRMs for signs of shorts and also the main and cpu power sockets on the mobo.
 

Michal1978

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@satyamdubey: I visually inspected MoBo and CPU from all the angles, 24pin MoBo and 8pin CPU power connectors too, and in detail. They look good, no sign of burn.

@nathanoakes: I tried with and without ram. If it was a bad ram, wouldn't I hear the beeps from MoBo?

Unfortunately, I have to wait til lWednesday until the new PSU comes in for further tests. I surely will breadboard it then.
 

Michal1978

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OK, I have breadboarded it with new corsair psu 650w - only cpu, mobo and psu. The same strange result - it boots with ONLY 24 pin power connected to motherboard, connecting additionally 8-pin power plug for CPU makes it stay silent. Sent mobo and cpu for RMA.

@nathanoakes - thanks for tip regarding memory, I'll check it then