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Intel i7 3770k vs. Haswell i7 4770k CPU's For Gaming & Editing?

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June 2, 2013 10:01:11 AM

Hello,
So I am going to be building my first gaming/editing pc and I am having a hard time deciding which is better for my circumstances, i7 3770k or i7 4770k?

What I am planning to use my pc for is gaming, HD video editing & rendering, Game recording, Livestreaming in the future, multitasking, surfing the web, and any other everyday uses.

Here are my other specs (except the MB and CPU):


CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.24 @ Amazon)

Thermal Compound: Arctic Cooling MX4 4g Thermal Paste ($9.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($116.99 @ Amazon)

Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($93.99 @ Adorama)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.98 @ Outlet PC)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Amazon)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($648.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Wireless Network Adapter: Asus PCE-N15 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($26.99 @ Newegg)

Case: Corsair 650D ATX Mid Tower Case ($139.99 @ Newegg)

Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF120 Performance Edition 63.5 CFM 120mm Fan ($14.99 @ Amazon)

Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-MFJR-07FK-R1 110.0 CFM 200mm Fan ($18.98 @ SuperBiiz)

Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.49 @ Amazon)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)

Other: ASUS VN247H-P 24-Inch LED-Lit Monitor ($189.00)

PSU: CORSAIR HX Series HX850 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply ($169.99)

Question: i7 3770k or i7 4770k for my circumstances?

If you have any other questions, please let me know and I'll reply ASAP.

Thanks for any help! :D 
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June 2, 2013 10:18:08 AM

You got a mistake. Get a Samsung 840 Pro, not non Pro. It's much faster!

Why not a 2TB HDD instead of 2 x 1GB?

Get a 4770k, faster but motherboard must be good too.

Side note, for gaming, a 1-2ms is great, but for photo editing an IPS (5ms) monitor is worlds better(more accurate).
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June 2, 2013 11:10:07 AM

Given your budget for other components, I'd use a better cooler and TIM.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'd use the 500R case at just $88
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If ya add another 780 sometime down the line, the 850 watt PSU is just enough .... . The 770 wants 830 watts. I usually like a bit more room for overclocking.
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt...
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt...

I don't see the 5% performance advantage of the 780 over the 770 being with the $250 price difference....in fact two 770s for $800 is way way more attractive then a single 780 for $650.

Look at the VRM design for ya GFX cards .... these are ones I found so far

ASUS GTX 770 DirectCU II OC = 10 phases (8 + 2)
Palit GeForce GTX 770 2GB (NE5X7701042-1045F) = 8 phases (6 + 2)
Palit GeForce GTX 770 JetStream 4GB (NE5X7701042-1041J) = 10 phases (8 + 2)
Gigabyte WINDFORCE 3X = 8 phases
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June 2, 2013 11:12:31 AM

As for your original Haswell question .... looks like there's very little difference ... Again I'm disappointed with the overclocking potential.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-4770k-haswe...

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The Core i7-4770K, specifically, is a bit faster than the -3770K it replaces—but only because of IPC improvements. It runs at the same 3.5 GHz and sports the same four cores otherwise .... And although it appears we received fairly overclockable samples of the -4770K, industry consensus amongst the companies with hundreds of these chips on-hand is that, at safe input voltages, 4.3 or 4.4 GHz should be OK. The luckiest enthusiasts might get 4.5 or 4.6 GHz. Skill won’t get you far; Haswell is all about luck of the draw due to its integrated voltage regulator.


Comparison of 4670k and 3570k here:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/837?vs=701
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June 2, 2013 1:15:06 PM

envy14tpe said:
You got a mistake. Get a Samsung 840 Pro, not non Pro. It's much faster!

Why not a 2TB HDD instead of 2 x 1GB?

Get a 4770k, faster but motherboard must be good too.

Side note, for gaming, a 1-2ms is great, but for photo editing an IPS (5ms) monitor is worlds better(more accurate).


Ok, I will look into the 840 Pro! Thanks. :) 

I wanted 2x1TB HDD because on one of them, I could have everyday files, etc. and then on the other just my editing and videos.

I will be mainly gaming, but then editing for my youtube videos so thats the reason why I picked 1ms. If it was just for editing, then I would've certainly picked a 5ms.
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June 2, 2013 1:27:15 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
Given your budget for other components, I'd use a better cooler and TIM.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'd use the 500R case at just $88
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If ya add another 780 sometime down the line, the 850 watt PSU is just enough .... . The 770 wants 830 watts. I usually like a bit more room for overclocking.
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt...
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt...

I don't see the 5% performance advantage of the 780 over the 770 being with the $250 price difference....in fact two 770s for $800 is way way more attractive then a single 780 for $650.

Look at the VRM design for ya GFX cards .... these are ones I found so far

ASUS GTX 770 DirectCU II OC = 10 phases (8 + 2)
Palit GeForce GTX 770 2GB (NE5X7701042-1045F) = 8 phases (6 + 2)
Palit GeForce GTX 770 JetStream 4GB (NE5X7701042-1041J) = 10 phases (8 + 2)
Gigabyte WINDFORCE 3X = 8 phases


Thanks for those suggestions, I will take them into consideration. :) 

For the graphics card, what would you recommend for running three monitors while still recording and gaming on one monitor? I would also like to stick with NVIDIA. My plan is to eventually have three monitors and be able to game and record on one of them, while the other two are just for extra windows that I need to have open. Maybe have a video rendering on one and then the last one just internet stuff.

With all that in mind, do you think a 780 is better for what I plan on doing?
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June 2, 2013 1:31:27 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
As for your original Haswell question .... looks like there's very little difference ... Again I'm disappointed with the overclocking potential.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-4770k-haswe...

Quote:
The Core i7-4770K, specifically, is a bit faster than the -3770K it replaces—but only because of IPC improvements. It runs at the same 3.5 GHz and sports the same four cores otherwise .... And although it appears we received fairly overclockable samples of the -4770K, industry consensus amongst the companies with hundreds of these chips on-hand is that, at safe input voltages, 4.3 or 4.4 GHz should be OK. The luckiest enthusiasts might get 4.5 or 4.6 GHz. Skill won’t get you far; Haswell is all about luck of the draw due to its integrated voltage regulator.


Comparison of 4670k and 3570k here:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/837?vs=701


So essentially, I would be better off with the 3770k and then OC that to 4.5GHz? Does that look like a good choice?

I am just really stumped here, because this is a one time decision until I can upgrade again. In your mind, what would you do?
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June 2, 2013 8:56:43 PM

I'd stick with a 850W PSU and get a 770. In the future you could always add a second one. You'll need 2 GPUs to game on 3 monitors.

A 3770k at 4.5GHz is gonna edit like a beast.
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June 3, 2013 3:59:07 AM

envy14tpe said:
I'd stick with a 850W PSU and get a 770. In the future you could always add a second one. You'll need 2 GPUs to game on 3 monitors.

A 3770k at 4.5GHz is gonna edit like a beast.


I guess that makes sense.

Will the 3770k still be future proof? How long do you think it would last until I would need a new CPU upgrade?

Just on a side note, a 4.5 should be doable with the specs I listed above? If it is, it is not slowly killing my CPU right?
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June 3, 2013 4:14:49 AM

SIRmisterD said:
envy14tpe said:
I'd stick with a 850W PSU and get a 770. In the future you could always add a second one. You'll need 2 GPUs to game on 3 monitors.

A 3770k at 4.5GHz is gonna edit like a beast.


I guess that makes sense.

Will the 3770k still be future proof? How long do you think it would last until I would need a new CPU upgrade?

Just on a side note, a 4.5 should be doable with the specs I listed above? If it is, it is not slowly killing my CPU right?

A 3770k will play all games for the next 5 years without bottlenecking them. In 5 years you might want to upgrade, but a 3770k should last a long time.

As long as you overclock with a low voltage (don't add too much) and your CPU runs under 70C under load then your CPU should last 5+ years. You just got to make sure you overclock it correctly. Take some time and read up on what others have experienced with overclocking the 3770k.
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June 3, 2013 1:14:18 PM

envy14tpe said:
SIRmisterD said:
envy14tpe said:
I'd stick with a 850W PSU and get a 770. In the future you could always add a second one. You'll need 2 GPUs to game on 3 monitors.

A 3770k at 4.5GHz is gonna edit like a beast.


I guess that makes sense.

Will the 3770k still be future proof? How long do you think it would last until I would need a new CPU upgrade?

Just on a side note, a 4.5 should be doable with the specs I listed above? If it is, it is not slowly killing my CPU right?

A 3770k will play all games for the next 5 years without bottlenecking them. In 5 years you might want to upgrade, but a 3770k should last a long time.

As long as you overclock with a low voltage (don't add too much) and your CPU runs under 70C under load then your CPU should last 5+ years. You just got to make sure you overclock it correctly. Take some time and read up on what others have experienced with overclocking the 3770k.


What do you think I shouldn't go over, in terms of voltage, on my build?
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June 26, 2013 4:22:54 PM

SIRmisterD said:
Hello,
So I am going to be building my first gaming/editing pc and I am having a hard time deciding which is better for my circumstances, i7 3770k or i7 4770k?

What I am planning to use my pc for is gaming, HD video editing & rendering, Game recording, Livestreaming in the future, multitasking, surfing the web, and any other everyday uses.

Here are my other specs (except the MB and CPU):


CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.24 @ Amazon)

Thermal Compound: Arctic Cooling MX4 4g Thermal Paste ($9.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($116.99 @ Amazon)

Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($93.99 @ Adorama)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.98 @ Outlet PC)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Amazon)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($648.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Wireless Network Adapter: Asus PCE-N15 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($26.99 @ Newegg)

Case: Corsair 650D ATX Mid Tower Case ($139.99 @ Newegg)

Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF120 Performance Edition 63.5 CFM 120mm Fan ($14.99 @ Amazon)

Case Fan: Cooler Master R4-MFJR-07FK-R1 110.0 CFM 200mm Fan ($18.98 @ SuperBiiz)

Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.49 @ Amazon)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)

Other: ASUS VN247H-P 24-Inch LED-Lit Monitor ($189.00)

PSU: CORSAIR HX Series HX850 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply ($169.99)

Question: i7 3770k or i7 4770k for my circumstances?

If you have any other questions, please let me know and I'll reply ASAP.

Thanks for any help! :D 


I would go for the 4770k I just built one for the same uses as you and have alot of the same hardward, 16gig vengance, 120gig ssd, cool master heatsink, i only have 750 watt powersupply, i use one 2tb baracuda and a 750, my gfx 2x 660 ti. But yea the 4770k runs great I can have a game running highest settings while recording music via cubase, and do 10000 other things. I have it running at 4.3ghz it can get higher but the motherboard i use oc'ed it for me so I am just using the settings it set for now. MAIN REASON would be that socket 1150 i imagine has a whole lot of potential for upgrades in the future. Its a great processor btw i used a msi gd-65 z87 gaming motherboard I really love it, great sound quality specially out of tower speakers and the maudio monitor speakers i use when editing music.
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June 26, 2013 4:35:13 PM

SIRmisterD said:
envy14tpe said:
I'd stick with a 850W PSU and get a 770. In the future you could always add a second one. You'll need 2 GPUs to game on 3 monitors.

A 3770k at 4.5GHz is gonna edit like a beast.


I guess that makes sense.

Will the 3770k still be future proof? How long do you think it would last until I would need a new CPU upgrade?

Just on a side note, a 4.5 should be doable with the specs I listed above? If it is, it is not slowly killing my CPU right?


From what I read its the luck of the draw due to processors internal voltage regulator, I am running my 4770k at 4.3 right now perfectly core temps are low etc. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-4770k-haswe... . That is the article I am talking about they discuss how some of them could ox to 4.8ghz and some they couldn't get to 4.5. Also if they come out with an awesome processor in a year or two im betting it will be capable on 1150 socket rather than the 55 or 56.Have you thought of getting a tower rather than a mid? It would be easier to fit 2x gfx cards plus more fans for airflow. I just switched and I really like my tower and it was fairly cheap.
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July 7, 2013 11:06:27 AM

As a haswell owner the excuses made by non owners to go ivy over it makes me laugh. OP for a new build why would you buy into 1155? Its already almost 3 years old. 1150 is 3 weeks old, has the best processors and actually has an upgrade path. For a new build haswell is the way to go
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