Good gaming mice for my needs

DanielRS

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Hello fellas, I need your help and your opinion. I want to buy a new gaming mouse, because my current one (Razer Orochi Legacy) is too small for my hand and it gets cramped after long gaming periods.

I have been looking into some models, reading reviews, etc. These are the features I am looking for in a mouse:

+Medium sized
+Good build quality
+Stable and trusty control panel application
+Comfortable design

And these are the models I found of interest:

Logitech G500
Roccat Kone XTD
Corsair Vengeance M60

I want your opinion about what model (not the ones listed necessarily) could satisfy my needs. I know that you will say "Go to the store yourself and try them out", but I live in Venezuela, and the stores here have pretty old models, so that's not an option.

Best regards.
 
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what size hands do you have?
what type of grip do you use?

both are important factors when selecting a mouse.

i have average sized man hands and use a palm grip where my pointer and middle finger are on the left and right click buttons, my ring finger is grasping the side of the mouse and my pinky just sort of hangs or drags on the mousepad. i also sort of have my hand at a very very slight diagonal from the rear of the mouse to the top right but not by very much.

personally i feel the old model razer deathadder (the one which has the blue backlight and rubberized coating) or perhaps the razer deathadder black edition (which appears to be the same thing except black) are great mice. the older models i listed do in fact have drivers...

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Well, what I would recommend kind of boils down to 2 mouses that I know and love. One of which fits an mmorpg gamer that needs lots of keybinds, which is called the Razer Naga Epic or molten. Another that I like is the Razer Imperator. I say these because 1. The naga has 17 buttons, and thats on a single mouse. For the imperator its good for fps game if thats what floats your boat, I mean it has 6.4k dpi so its pretty op. Thats my niche on these mice, hope that helped.
 
what size hands do you have?
what type of grip do you use?

both are important factors when selecting a mouse.

i have average sized man hands and use a palm grip where my pointer and middle finger are on the left and right click buttons, my ring finger is grasping the side of the mouse and my pinky just sort of hangs or drags on the mousepad. i also sort of have my hand at a very very slight diagonal from the rear of the mouse to the top right but not by very much.

personally i feel the old model razer deathadder (the one which has the blue backlight and rubberized coating) or perhaps the razer deathadder black edition (which appears to be the same thing except black) are great mice. the older models i listed do in fact have drivers and they do work very well. the new model deathadder (rubberized sides, hard textured top shell and green backlight) is forced to use the new razer synapse drivers which totally suck. from a design standpoint they are large which is good for people who palm the mouse or like a larger mouse, have two very easy to access buttons on the side and the trackwheel actually ticks (unlike the zero resistance on logitech hyperscrolling office mice)

since its an older model you can likely pick one up cheaper.

i have personally bought and tested the razer naga since i wanted to play tera (mmorpg) with it. it was not a very lage mouse and it felt uncomfortably small in my hands. since i use my thumb and ring finger to pick the mouse up and reposition it sometimes the keypad was also in the way. during use i found it hard to press the right button at the right time. i could have probably learned to use it after a few months but i decided it wasnt worthwhile and returned it.

never used the razer imperator. you dont need 6400dpi though. honestly you probably dont even need 4000dpi. anywhere between 1800-3200dpi is typically sufficient. in fact i gave up changing dpi and dont have drivers installed right now. i rely on windows drivers alone and the mouse performs admirably. i have used the old deathadder drivers in the past so i can comment that they worked great.

hope it helps.

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DanielRS

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@ssddx
Thanks for your answer, I'll have a look into the old Razer Deathadder. I agree that the new Razer Synapse kinda sucks, it's not being well received in the reviews I have read.

My hand size is 188mm and my hand width is 86mm, so I guess is an average size. I prefer palm grip.

Best Regards.
 

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I think the first 3 mice you suggested are all very good mice, buy any 3 of them, if you play games like BFBC2, it changes the sensitivity for some of the vehicles like tanks, and i noticed 8200 DPI was just about alright for controlling the tank turret; get a higher DPI and the turret will actually move faster, with 1000-3000 DPI i couldn't turn the turret all the way round without having to do laps on the mouse mat. Where is the DPI adjustable buttons on the Razer mice, i can't see them?
 
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it sounds like an issue with that particular game. are you sure there isnt an in game setting to control this? if not chalk it up to bad game design. a hot swap dpi button would fix the issue in this case however 8200dpi is much too high for anything else unless you turn your mouse speed settings way down to compensate. mouse movement might get jittery but its an option.

there is no preset dpi adjust button on the deathadder. you can pick any of the buttons and map the function.
 

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it's bad game design, maybe it's because its trying to simulate a real tank, when you put higher DPI for the mouse it does take less mouse movement to get the turret 180 degrees. I have a big mouse mat and with DPI lower than 3000 one whole mouse mat lap still won't turn the turret 180 degrees. But i agree having a DPI higher than whatever you want to suggest, i say higher than 1500 isn't going to be needed or used that much. I did see someone say that 8200DPI would be useful for people running their computer on multiple screens to make the overall display massive. But when comparing these mice, it's just a matter of choice, and which mouse is the most comfortable for hand size and fit. I think all these mice are reliable, so getting any of those mice would be fine.
 

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Guys, have you tried the Roccat Kone XTD? Do you think is too large for an average hand size? I also have a Steel Series 4HD mousepad, I think is too small for the Roccat Kone XTD, am I right?

Best regards.
 
sorry i havent tried one. as long as reviews are 4 star or above it should work though. i can really only recommend products or brands i have dealt with in the past or have heard enough good about to recommend. i cant recommend anything i dont know much about so you would be on your own there.

what i can tell you is that it has a laser sensor not an infared sensor. what this means is that if you have a tendency to lift the mouse off the mousepad at all for repositioning or if you lift the edges of the mouse while you move it then the mouse will continue to track and your cursor will go all over the place. i've used laser mice in the past and they work very well however they are not for everyone because of what i said above.

infared (optical mice) do not have this issue so are for everyone.;

i've also seen in reviews that the dpi button can be hard to click.

the software does support a shift mode where a key acts like the shift key and allows you to program different functions to the keys. sounds useful but i'm not so sure how well this would work in practice.

it definitely doesnt look like a bad mouse at all but its going to be pricey and there are definitely major competitors. what matters most is how well the mouse is going to fit your hand.

ie, do you like large or small mice better? do you like round mice like the logitech g400, angular mice like the logitech office mice or mice shaped like the deathadder? there is no one good mouse shape as we all have our preferences. you can go to just about any store and try out the g400 or deathadder and logitech office mice to see what shape is best for you.

remember about the laser vs infared comment. if you lift the mouse up at all the mouse will drive you nutty.

rocatt kone xtd $90 on amazon.. fairly expensive even by mouse standards.
rocatt kone pure or + $65-0 on amazon
razer deathadder (old type with blue backlight) $50 on amazon $40 on ebay

this site has some very good photos but its in german. sounds about right since roccat is a german company.

photo from the site showing a size comparison with a logitech office mouse left, kone, and g400.
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since the g400 is pretty common and so is the deathadder i managed to find a size comparison between those two
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about the mousepad issue...

it looks to me that the mousepad you are using is standard sized. ie about the same size as regular cloth mousepads.

i've used my deathadder on a standard sized mousepad for 2 years without any issues. i only recently switched to the large mousepad you see in the picture because i had that pad at work. i do like the larger mousepad since it gives me more freedom to position my hand and arm wherever i want but you can make do with a normal mousepad as well.

this is a photo i found on the internet which looks like a normal sized mousepad.

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DanielRS

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@ssddx Thanks for your well detailed answer. Looking at those comparisons, I think the Roccat Kone XTD is too big for me, I got used to small-medium sized mouses using the Razer Orochi, although I wanted something bigger, the Roccat looks way too big. The Razer Orochi also uses a Laser Sensor and it hasn't been a hassle, so I think that it maybe not be a problem neither.

I have received a lot of good reviews about the old Deathadder, I'll have a look into it.

Best Regards.

Edit: Looking at other Roccat products, I found the Savu, it's optical, medium-sized and collects good reviews across the web. Looks like a good alternative.
 

DanielRS

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Damn, this is one of my hardest decisions ever. Sometimes I just want to keep the Orochi and forget about getting a new mouse. The Savu was a good option but I read that it has no drivers for Windows 8 and Windows 7 ones are a little buggy on W8.

The Roccat Kone XTD seems to large, the Savu too small. Anyway, the Roccat Kone Pure seems about right:

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I'll see if I can find more size comparisons.