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June 2, 2013 7:41:25 PM

Intel build: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/UnexceptionalJew/saved/1Ao...

AMD build: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/UnexceptionalJew/saved/1Ao...

Im completely clueless on which build to get. I plan on overclocking as much as possible, doing lots of gaming, and lots of video rendering. How much of an overclock do you think I would be able to get on the Intel and the AMD? Im hoping for a 4.5 GHz overclock on the Intel. Is that possible? Any help is great. Thanks in advance.

Is the 4670K the 4570K? (noob question)

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June 2, 2013 7:58:46 PM

You don't want a 4670k if you want to overclock - the new Haswell chips don't do it very well. Go with an Ivy Bridge i5-3570k unless you really need the extra USB 3.0 and PCIe 3.0 lanes.
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June 2, 2013 8:03:55 PM

DarkSable said:
You don't want a 4670k if you want to overclock - the new Haswell chips don't do it very well. Go with an Ivy Bridge i5-3570k unless you really need the extra USB 3.0 and PCIe 3.0 lanes.
Is a 4670K overclocked better than a 8350 overclocked?

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June 2, 2013 8:10:41 PM

Yes. But an i5-3570k can overclock farther than the 4670K - enough farther that it makes it, if not better, at least equal for less money.
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June 2, 2013 8:16:22 PM

DarkSable said:
Yes. But an i5-3570k can overclock farther than the 4670K - enough farther that it makes it, if not better, at least equal for less money.
So the 3570K can overclock as fast as a stock 4570K? And does the 4570K do as well in productivity as the 8350 (streaming, video rendering etc)

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June 2, 2013 8:20:08 PM

UnexceptionalJew said:
So the 3570K can overclock as fast as a stock 4570K? And does the 4570K do as well in productivity as the 8350 (streaming, video rendering etc)


There is only about a 10% difference between a 3570k and 4670k at stock. Because the 3570k is so much better at overclocking, it can overclock much more than 10% past where the 4670k can overclock to, meaning it's slower at stock but faster when overclocked.

For productivity, the 4670k/3570k will be WAY faster for anything using up to four threads. After that, the extra cores of the FX chip will take advantage.
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June 2, 2013 8:28:02 PM

UnexceptionalJew said:
So the 3570K can overclock as fast as a stock 4570K? And does the 4570K do as well in productivity as the 8350 (streaming, video rendering etc)

There is no Haswell i5-4570k - Intel shifted model numbers one notch. The Haswell equivalent of i5-3570k is i5-4670k.

The stock i5-3570k is clocked faster than the stock i5-4570 and is clocked the same as the stock i5-4670k.

As for whether or not i5 fares better than AMD's chips, that depends heavily on applications so you'll have to look up individual benchmarks for the software you plan to use most.
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June 2, 2013 8:29:11 PM

DarkSable said:
UnexceptionalJew said:
So the 3570K can overclock as fast as a stock 4570K? And does the 4570K do as well in productivity as the 8350 (streaming, video rendering etc)


There is only about a 10% difference between a 3570k and 4670k at stock. Because the 3570k is so much better at overclocking, it can overclock much more than 10% past where the 4670k can overclock to, meaning it's slower at stock but faster when overclocked.

For productivity, the 4670k/3570k will be WAY faster for anything using up to four threads. After that, the extra cores of the FX chip will take advantage.
So even if money isnt a issue I should choose the 3570K over the 4670K and the 8350 if I want to play games and use programs like sony vegas and photoshop while using the specific noctua cooler and motherboard for overclocking.

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June 2, 2013 8:41:08 PM

UnexceptionalJew said:
For productivity, the 4670k/3570k will be WAY faster for anything using up to four threads. After that, the extra cores of the FX chip will take advantage.
So even if money isnt a issue I should choose the 3570K over the 4670K and the 8350 if I want to play games and use programs like sony vegas and photoshop while using the specific noctua cooler and motherboard for overclocking.[/quotemsg]

I would go with a 3570k, z77 motherboard, and good cooler, yes.

The 8350 might be slightly faster; not sure on those programs, so I'd look up benchmarks, but for gaming, the i5 has the advantage.

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June 2, 2013 8:46:07 PM

The problem is that if you buy ivy - you got a dead socket.
If you buy haswell you'll get at least one more generation of intel CPU without changing the MoBo(who knows? maybe they'll release something really interesting instead of 5-6% performance increase and upgraded GPU). You can also crank-up the haswell cpu and replace the thermal paste, but you MUST BE VERY CAREFUL WHILE DOING THIS. That will fix the overheating issues, ivy also had that problem.
Another option - get a damn board on 990FX, something like MSI 990FXA GD65(or even GD80, your sabertooth is good but to be frankly - a bit overpriced). Get 8320 cpu because that can be easily clocked to 8350 level and the average OC is 100mHz less than 8350.
And for god's sake - dont get waterblock just for CPU.. something like Thermalright TrueSpirit 140 with the second TY140 vent will get the job done at the same level, if not better..(you can also buy a good thermal paste, like Arctic Cooling MX4).
This thermaltake PSU is a crappy one. Get corsair\silverstone\fractal design.
That's it :) 
update: dont forget that AM3+ socket and 990FX chipset MOST LIKELY will be supported by next gen AMD CPU.
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June 2, 2013 8:49:55 PM

Bandito, that's sort of a valid point, but it's never going to be worth the money to upgrade within the socket on an intel build.
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June 2, 2013 8:49:59 PM

DarkSable said:
UnexceptionalJew said:
For productivity, the 4670k/3570k will be WAY faster for anything using up to four threads. After that, the extra cores of the FX chip will take advantage.
So even if money isnt a issue I should choose the 3570K over the 4670K and the 8350 if I want to play games and use programs like sony vegas and photoshop while using the specific noctua cooler and motherboard for overclocking.
Accordin Tek Syndicate the 8350 beats or matches the 3570K and the 3770K in all games except for Crysis 3 and absolutely demolishes it when it comes to heavy cpu intensive programs

I would go with a 3570k, z77 motherboard, and good cooler, yes.

The 8350 might be slightly faster; not sure on those programs, so I'd look up benchmarks, but for gaming, the i5 has the advantage.

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June 2, 2013 8:50:00 PM

DarkSable said:
UnexceptionalJew said:
For productivity, the 4670k/3570k will be WAY faster for anything using up to four threads. After that, the extra cores of the FX chip will take advantage.
So even if money isnt a issue I should choose the 3570K over the 4670K and the 8350 if I want to play games and use programs like sony vegas and photoshop while using the specific noctua cooler and motherboard for overclocking.
Accordin Tek Syndicate the 8350 beats or matches the 3570K and the 3770K in all games except for Crysis 3 and absolutely demolishes it when it comes to heavy cpu intensive programs

I would go with a 3570k, z77 motherboard, and good cooler, yes.

The 8350 might be slightly faster; not sure on those programs, so I'd look up benchmarks, but for gaming, the i5 has the advantage.

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June 2, 2013 8:51:42 PM

That youtube video by a single group has LONG since been discounted as scientifically inaccurate. They use as biased testing senarios as they can get away with and return data contrary to pretty much everything anyone else has done.
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June 2, 2013 8:52:16 PM

DarkSable said:
Bandito, that's sort of a valid point, but it's never going to be worth the money to upgrade within the socket on an intel build.

That's why i would recommend AMD build :p 
Frankly, i'd get intel build if i'm not planning to OC.

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June 2, 2013 9:02:04 PM

While looking at the all english-speaking forums i've noticed that almost everyone are getting these expensive RAM sticks with fancy radiators.. May i ask why you people doing this? Seriously.. mostly, they all produced by hyundai or samsung and the others are just painting them and placing these stupid radiators.. Why dont just buy cheap stick of hynix(hyundai), samsung or crucial?
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June 2, 2013 9:03:15 PM

El Bandito said:
DarkSable said:
Bandito, that's sort of a valid point, but it's never going to be worth the money to upgrade within the socket on an intel build.

That's why i would recommend AMD build :p 
Frankly, i'd get intel build if i'm not planning to OC.

Is there any way I could fit a 780 in this build? I want to keep the CPU though. everything else is interchangeable.
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June 2, 2013 9:04:10 PM

...I DID buy a cheap set of samsung ram.

As for AMD vs Intel, I'd rather not get into the flame wars yet again, so let's just say that any of the three chips will be a good choice.
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June 2, 2013 9:07:59 PM

DarkSable said:
...I DID buy a cheap set of samsung ram.

As for AMD vs Intel, I'd rather not get into the flame wars yet again, so let's just say that any of the three chips will be a good choice.

No i'm just looking at the OP post and seeing similar things everywhere :p 
And yes, all 3 CPU's are fine for almost any everyday task. Especially for gaming.
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Is there any way I could fit a 780 in this build? I want to keep the CPU though. everything else is interchangeable.

You mean in AMD build? Yeah, why not? What makes you think GTX780 wont run with AMD CPU?
It wont be bottlenecking.. And see if you can buy a good Power Supply. This LED thermaltake is really bad, especially if you going to OC the 8350. You'll need a stable power.
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June 2, 2013 9:12:12 PM

El Bandito said:
DarkSable said:
...I DID buy a cheap set of samsung ram.

As for AMD vs Intel, I'd rather not get into the flame wars yet again, so let's just say that any of the three chips will be a good choice.

No i'm just looking at the OP post and seeing similar things everywhere :p 
And yes, all 3 CPU's are fine for almost any everyday task. Especially for gaming.
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Is there any way I could fit a 780 in this build? I want to keep the CPU though. everything else is interchangeable.

You mean in AMD build? Yeah, why not? What makes you think GTX780 wont run with AMD CPU?
It wont be bottlenecking.. And see if you can buy a good Power Supply. This LED thermaltake is really bad, especially if you going to OC the 8350. You'll need a stable power.
I want to stay under $1500 though. Could you edit the rig on pcpartpicker and put what you think should be in there?

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June 2, 2013 9:39:27 PM

UnexceptionalJew said:
El Bandito said:
DarkSable said:
...I DID buy a cheap set of samsung ram.

As for AMD vs Intel, I'd rather not get into the flame wars yet again, so let's just say that any of the three chips will be a good choice.

No i'm just looking at the OP post and seeing similar things everywhere :p 
And yes, all 3 CPU's are fine for almost any everyday task. Especially for gaming.
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Is there any way I could fit a 780 in this build? I want to keep the CPU though. everything else is interchangeable.

You mean in AMD build? Yeah, why not? What makes you think GTX780 wont run with AMD CPU?
It wont be bottlenecking.. And see if you can buy a good Power Supply. This LED thermaltake is really bad, especially if you going to OC the 8350. You'll need a stable power.
I want to stay under $1500 though. Could you edit the rig on pcpartpicker and put what you think should be in there?


Sorry, could not find EDIT button there, so i'll jut post it here and you do the calc:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/thermalright-cpu-cooler-si... - cooler (-30$ of total)
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cmpsu... - psu (+10$ of total)
If you are not going for SLI, than 600-650watt PSU should be enough, here:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/fractal-design-power-suppl... - costs the same as yours
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-120pg065... (-5$ of total)
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-03gp42784k... - video card(+260$ of total)
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/plextor-internal-hard-driv... - ssd (-30$ of total)
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd8320frhkbox - if you take 8320, yo can save 30$(take this as a reserve :p )
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-990fxagd65... - board, saves you 70$
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cmv16gx3m2a... - RAM, -15$
so, with EVGA780, EVGA PSU and 8350 your build costs about 1580$, -30$ if you take 8320.
That's all i could've think of, except case, mouse and keyboard.



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June 2, 2013 9:40:32 PM

El Bandito said:
The problem is that if you buy ivy - you got a dead socket. If you buy haswell you'll get at least one more generation of intel CPU without changing the MoBo(who knows? maybe they'll release something really interesting instead of 5-6% performance increase and upgraded GPU).

Broadwell might be DDR4 so that could spell new board even if Intel keeps the same socket.

Performance-wise, Broadwell is primarily a die shrink with more stuff getting integrated, minor updates and likely a beefier IGP so x86 IPC gains should be slim to none just like SB to IB... so expect 5-7%.
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June 2, 2013 9:53:11 PM

UnexceptionalJew said:
El Bandito said:
DarkSable said:
...I DID buy a cheap set of samsung ram.

As for AMD vs Intel, I'd rather not get into the flame wars yet again, so let's just say that any of the three chips will be a good choice.

No i'm just looking at the OP post and seeing similar things everywhere :p 
And yes, all 3 CPU's are fine for almost any everyday task. Especially for gaming.
Quote:
Is there any way I could fit a 780 in this build? I want to keep the CPU though. everything else is interchangeable.

You mean in AMD build? Yeah, why not? What makes you think GTX780 wont run with AMD CPU?
It wont be bottlenecking.. And see if you can buy a good Power Supply. This LED thermaltake is really bad, especially if you going to OC the 8350. You'll need a stable power.
I want to stay under $1500 though. Could you edit the rig on pcpartpicker and put what you think should be in there?



http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12qet - check this, the mouse and keyboard of your choise. You can as well get a cheaper case. I cant think of anything else :) 
You can always add another 8gb stick, but 8gb is enough for now.
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June 2, 2013 10:19:24 PM

El Bandito said:
UnexceptionalJew said:
El Bandito said:
DarkSable said:
...I DID buy a cheap set of samsung ram.

As for AMD vs Intel, I'd rather not get into the flame wars yet again, so let's just say that any of the three chips will be a good choice.

No i'm just looking at the OP post and seeing similar things everywhere :p 
And yes, all 3 CPU's are fine for almost any everyday task. Especially for gaming.
Quote:
Is there any way I could fit a 780 in this build? I want to keep the CPU though. everything else is interchangeable.

You mean in AMD build? Yeah, why not? What makes you think GTX780 wont run with AMD CPU?
It wont be bottlenecking.. And see if you can buy a good Power Supply. This LED thermaltake is really bad, especially if you going to OC the 8350. You'll need a stable power.
I want to stay under $1500 though. Could you edit the rig on pcpartpicker and put what you think should be in there?



http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12qet - check this, the mouse and keyboard of your choise. You can as well get a cheaper case. I cant think of anything else :) 
You can always add another 8gb stick, but 8gb is enough for now.
Thank you very much!

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June 2, 2013 10:22:14 PM

UnexceptionalJew said:
El Bandito said:
UnexceptionalJew said:
El Bandito said:
DarkSable said:
...I DID buy a cheap set of samsung ram.

As for AMD vs Intel, I'd rather not get into the flame wars yet again, so let's just say that any of the three chips will be a good choice.

No i'm just looking at the OP post and seeing similar things everywhere :p 
And yes, all 3 CPU's are fine for almost any everyday task. Especially for gaming.
Quote:
Is there any way I could fit a 780 in this build? I want to keep the CPU though. everything else is interchangeable.

You mean in AMD build? Yeah, why not? What makes you think GTX780 wont run with AMD CPU?
It wont be bottlenecking.. And see if you can buy a good Power Supply. This LED thermaltake is really bad, especially if you going to OC the 8350. You'll need a stable power.
I want to stay under $1500 though. Could you edit the rig on pcpartpicker and put what you think should be in there?



http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12qet - check this, the mouse and keyboard of your choise. You can as well get a cheaper case. I cant think of anything else :) 
You can always add another 8gb stick, but 8gb is enough for now.
Thank you very much!



http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12qp0 also chek this setup, in this case you wont be passing 1500$ barrier.
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June 2, 2013 11:45:08 PM

AMD FX-8350 advantages
The FX-8350 is 2% faster in multi-threaded tasks, or when running multiple single-threaded applications.
Memory performance of the processor is better.
The AMD FX-8350 supports FMA4 and XOP instructions, introduced in the recent past. Although these extensions are not widely used in programs yet, this should improve in future applications.
The microprocessor is unlocked. Thus, the CPU can be effortlessly overclocked on most motherboards to achieve higher performance.

Intel Core i5-4670K advantages
In single-threaded tasks, the processor is 53% faster.
Graphics performance of the microprocessor is better.
The processor has AVX2 instructions, that appeared in modern microprocessors not too far ago. Although these extensions are not extensively used by programs yet, their support should improve in future apps.
The microprocessor features on-chip HD 4600 Graphics Processing Unit. While this GPU is not fast enough to run latest games with all settings on, it can be used for casual gaming and 3D applications.
Power consumption of the CPU is lower.


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June 3, 2013 3:30:17 PM

finjdred said:
AMD FX-8350 advantages
The FX-8350 is 2% faster in multi-threaded tasks, or when running multiple single-threaded applications.
Memory performance of the processor is better.
The AMD FX-8350 supports FMA4 and XOP instructions, introduced in the recent past. Although these extensions are not widely used in programs yet, this should improve in future applications.
The microprocessor is unlocked. Thus, the CPU can be effortlessly overclocked on most motherboards to achieve higher performance.

Intel Core i5-4670K advantages
In single-threaded tasks, the processor is 53% faster.
Graphics performance of the microprocessor is better.
The processor has AVX2 instructions, that appeared in modern microprocessors not too far ago. Although these extensions are not extensively used by programs yet, their support should improve in future apps.
The microprocessor features on-chip HD 4600 Graphics Processing Unit. While this GPU is not fast enough to run latest games with all settings on, it can be used for casual gaming and 3D applications.
Power consumption of the CPU is lower.


What would be better for the future because I dont plan on upgrading for 3 or 4 years. I wont be upgrading the CPU until much later.

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June 3, 2013 3:44:59 PM

The FX 8350 build gives you an upgrade path to the next gen AMD CPUs without having to change boards.

That is going to be your best bet. Your next upgrade you can just buy a new CPU and drop it in, instead of doing an entire overhaul again.
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June 5, 2013 11:11:20 AM

clock for clock the 4670k is faster than the 3570k just like the 3570k is faster than the 2500k. overclocking headroom has shrunk each chip, however the newer chips still have outpaced their predecessor even with less overclocking.
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June 5, 2013 11:20:30 AM

Robert Ostrowski said:
clock for clock the 4670k is faster than the 3570k just like the 3570k is faster than the 2500k. overclocking headroom has shrunk each chip, however the newer chips still have outpaced their predecessor even with less overclocking.


According to Tom's review it's between 2-5% faster...that's not a performance increase worth $80-100 between CPU and MB in my mind.
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