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yogesh_gamer

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I want to build a new PC. And i m gonna purchase a graphics card. So is it good to buy 4th gen?
As there is nothing new in i5 4570 and 3570 (non k). And also 4th gen cpu and mobo will cost at least $40 more.
 
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ASRock, ASUS, and Gigabyte are all good brands, but ASUS isn't usually as price efficient as ASRock. That said, that's not always the case.
The central merit of Z-series boards is the ability...
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Ya, because i dont need internal graphics. By the way, how much there is difference? How much it effect my FPS rate of gaming?
 
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I wonder whats would stop them from making the "5th Generation" with completely different socket structure. Better stick to 3rd Gen with which have been reviewed well for gaming.
 
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Exactly .. So far all three generations have LGA 1155 socket which effectively cuts out motherboard costs.
 
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Where have you been? 4th gen has been proved to better at gaming, where have you been living? Under a rock? Reviews are everywhere and Tomshardware claims as mentioned before, "Haswell provides in average 7% to 13% more performance compared to Ivy-bridge in today's threaded workloads"
 
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I would recommend 4th gen. If not for the 10% or so extra power, for the ability to upgrade later. A socket 1155 mobo would force you to buy a new motherboard for your next CPU upgrade, while a socket 1150 would save you that cost (assuming that Intel doesn't immediately switch to a new socket, which I would find unlikely), which tips the cost-benefit equation in favour of the 4th gen CPUs.
 
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LOL! Do NOT buy a 4 gen. (as it is now) for gaming purpose. The Haswell OC to only ~4.5 ghz. Just overclock a 3570k CPU and you will never notice the ~10% difference between 4570 and a 3570 in gaming.

Unless you want the newest fanciest processor it's not worth the extra 40$ for a gaming build.
 
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Unless, as said, he wishes to upgrade without purchasing a new motherboard. That's the primary draw of Haswell, to my mind: not having to shell out another $120 or so when you get your next processor.
 
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No No. I want to purchase a new mobo too. But I think it will be little costly. And I DO NOT want to overclock. I want to purchase a PC for just 3-4 years. And after that every CPU will be poor. Because Intel is going to bring a new element. Silicon is in last decade at least for micro processor. So after 2017 u won't c any silicon processor. And I don't think that there will be game in next 4 year that won't run on 3.4 quad core. All modern games requires 2.4 quad. So I think 3.4 ghz will be enough for next 4 years and thats y i dont want to overclock my future cpu.
 
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eeeeeeee i m confused. Actually i read d overclocking process. It requires time to check d system is in stable state. If i overclock d system then i have to check d some test upto 30 mins. I don't have time for all this :(
 
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You don't have time to do 30 minutes of testing? For reference, I prefer a much longer stress test, but the idea that 30 minutes is too much to invest in a processor that you plan to have for three of more years is a bit hard for me to understand.
However, if you do not wish to overclock, as luckiest said, it is doubly important that you get Haswell. Its main drawback (like Ivy Bridge before it, though more so) is weak overclocking, which will not effect you.
 
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Intel's out of the motherboard business, last I heard. And good riddance, I say. I can't speak to the new motherboards specifically (being as they're been out for less than a week, and good reviews are hard to find), but ASRock and ASUS are both trusted brands. You would likely want a H87, given your lack of interest in overclocking.
 
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What about tomorrow at Computex 2013 event? They may show new mobo? or i should go to other manufactures? And compare all mobo >_<
And suggest me good motherboard for locked and unlocked processors. And price should be cheap.
My req: 4 slots for ram, only one graphics card, one hdd port.
 
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There are motherboards presently available, I just can't claim to know the absolute most efficient option, nor the potential pitfalls, due to the lack of available data.

That all said, the Haswell versions of the my default Ivy Bridge motherboards would be these:
H87: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157383&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
Z87: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157369&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

Edit: I would like to reinforce that I cannot attest as to whether these are the best or most efficient options. Their Z77 and H77 equivalents were, but that does not mean that the Z87 and H77 versions will be the best options for today.
 
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H87 is in my budget. Asrock mobo are really good? Because nobody in my frnd circle but asrock and also in my area shopkeeper prefer intel, asus and gigabyte. Will there be no difficulty wid asrock?
Plz suggest me asus and gigabyte mobo too. In case, if i couldn't get asrock mobo.
I read on wikipedia, in h77 and z77 there is only few difference, in z77 i can overclock ram, which i dont want, and intel smart tech is present in z77 mobo which can use SSD as cache and i wont buy ssd.

Edit: And plz also suggest me for i5 3570 and for 3570k. :)
 
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ASRock, ASUS, and Gigabyte are all good brands, but ASUS isn't usually as price efficient as ASRock. That said, that's not always the case.
The central merit of Z-series boards is the ability to overclock your CPU. If you don't want to OC, you shouldn't buy a Z87/77. I was including it more for completeness than anything else.

Here is an ASUS (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131993&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=) and a Gigabyte (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CU4L3AU/?tag=pcpapi-20) H87 motherboard.
For a 3570, I would recommend an ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP, and for a 3570k, an ASRock Extreme4.
 
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yogesh_gamer

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Thank u so much for your time. After my exam I m gonna build new pc. And I hope within 3 weeks every part will be available in India. :)
And hey here is a link for u. Difference btwn all series. http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z87-H87-H81-Q87-Q85-B85-What-is-the-difference-473/
 
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I'm glad that I was able to help. :)

Handy link to have, to be sure. I didn't mean to imply that that overclocking the CPU was the sole feature of Z87 motherboards, simply that it was the most important one, and usually the feature that would decide whether one would chose that board or not.
 
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I red it couple of days ago. HAVE U???

You just quoted the above line from someone else's thread/post or you would have red the reviewer's (chris) note on the last page of the review of haswell.

So, for the second time in a week, we’re disappointed. Haswell has a lot to offer, just not to desktop enthusiasts. Intel’s attention is fully in the mobile space, and we can tell.
Click to expand...
(and when you are actually read the review, also try to read the comments below the review, it won't hurt you eyes)


Back to the Main topic.
I am back to my original question. Is it better to upgrade to 4th Gen when everything is already available in 3rd Gen.
What are you talking about 2 cores, 4 cores, 6..... cores. What???
and it seems the power consumption is not as good in Desktop's as compare to 3rd gen products.


Ps: i am not suggesting anything, i am also searching for new info and trust me i am looking for a reason to go the 4th Gen coz its newer and well NEWER...........



 
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