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June 3, 2013 2:00:30 PM

Hello guys(girls) question, should i get a cheap Ivy bridge processor (i5 3330) or a cheap Haswell processor (i5 4430). I'm building a gaming pc for the first time but i am on a tight budget, so i cannot afford a K series i5 CPU or the Z77 board for Ivy or a Z87 for Haswell. I already order and have all the part's i need to begin building it except for the Motherboard and Processor. The main focus of my build will be gaming (1080p), so im going with the cheapest i5 i can afford and a decent Motherboard, so the question is which of the 2 processors mention above would be a better choice game wise.

Should i go with an Ivy i5 3330 CPU and a Z75 Motherboard or a Haswell i5 4330 and a H87 Motherboard? I'm leaning towards Haswell due to being newer than Ivy and since it uses a new socket i can future proof it for Broadwell (Which i hope will use the same socket as Haswell), or go with the already proven Ivy bridge processors? Are the improvements in Haswell worth a bit more TDP?

My GPU is a GTX 660 Galaxy Clock just in case any 1 ask.

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June 3, 2013 2:04:14 PM

New build so go with Haswell
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June 3, 2013 2:47:14 PM

redeemer said:
New build so go with Haswell


If he's near a micro center, go with ivy bridge. hanswell is not worth like a extra $60-100+ over ivybridge lol.
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June 3, 2013 2:48:48 PM

killerhurtalot said:
redeemer said:
New build so go with Haswell


If he's near a micro center, go with ivy bridge. hanswell is not worth like a extra $60-100+ over ivybridge lol.


New Egg has both the processors i mention at the same price 189.99$ and the boards come about 75-90$ for each
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June 3, 2013 3:29:11 PM

killerhurtalot said:
redeemer said:
New build so go with Haswell


If he's near a micro center, go with ivy bridge. hanswell is not worth like a extra $60-100+ over ivybridge lol.


I disagree. If he buys Ivy Bridge, he'll need to buy a new mobo for his next CPU upgrade. If he buys Haswell, there's a pretty good chance that the socket (1150) will still be in use, saving him a bit.
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June 3, 2013 3:30:11 PM

kmelaza said:
killerhurtalot said:
redeemer said:
New build so go with Haswell


If he's near a micro center, go with ivy bridge. hanswell is not worth like a extra $60-100+ over ivybridge lol.


New Egg has both the processors i mention at the same price 189.99$ and the boards come about 75-90$ for each


If prices are even, Haswell always wins. Definitely go for the newer, better hardware, all else being equal.
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June 3, 2013 4:02:53 PM

What's his upgrade cycle? If 2 yrs + then 1150 will be a dead socket then too. Haswell is not worth any added expense...read the Tom's review...it actually draws more power than Ivy, and the gains are mostly around 4-6%. It's actually less improvement over Ivy than Ivy was over Sandy!

The Pros are, it has a better iGPU...well...whooptie doo...no gamer uses that anyway.

Ivy is a better bet, plus haswell has USB 3.0 issues and a host of other problems they're still sorting out. Don't pay a premium for inferior product.

BTW: Intel says broadwell will be entirely BGA...so he won't be upgrading his 1150 board to broadwell either. He'll have to change boards at Skylake.

Haswell is not a good solution. If it was exactly the same money...maybe...if you want to be a guinea pig while intel sorts out all the bugs. If it was less money...then sure, because less money makes sense every time.

Even Tom's Hardware review basically out and out says that it isn't worth buying unless you just want to buy Haswell. They said if you want Haswell, buy a laptop...otherwise forget it.
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June 3, 2013 4:11:04 PM

8350rocks said:
What's his upgrade cycle? If 2 yrs + then 1150 will be a dead socket then too. Haswell is not worth any added expense...read the Tom's review...it actually draws more power than Ivy, and the gains are mostly around 4-6%. It's actually less improvement over Ivy than Ivy was over Sandy!

The Pros are, it has a better iGPU...well...whooptie doo...no gamer uses that anyway.

Ivy is a better bet, plus haswell has USB 3.0 issues and a host of other problems they're still sorting out. Don't pay a premium for inferior product.

BTW: Intel says broadwell will be entirely BGA...so he won't be upgrading his 1150 board to broadwell either. He'll have to change boards at Skylake.

Haswell is not a good solution. If it was exactly the same money...maybe...if you want to be a guinea pig while intel sorts out all the bugs. If it was less money...then sure, because less money makes sense every time.

Even Tom's Hardware review basically out and out says that it isn't worth buying unless you just want to buy Haswell. They said if you want Haswell, buy a laptop...otherwise forget it.


Didn't know Intel would be dropping 1150 after Broadwell. That changes things quite a bit, actually.

That said, I would still consider a Haswell CPU superior, if the price is the same. Minor gains are still gains, and many of us don't really care about power draw.
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June 3, 2013 4:15:04 PM

I don't care about power draw myself...but that was what this 4th gen was supposed to do...lower power consumption...overall system consumption and CPU consumption both went up! At idle it's a tiny bit less...but not worth the hoopla.

OP:

If you want to buy haswell, go ahead...but if it saves you any money to buy Ivy, then buy it. Especially if you intend to OC as haswell runs hotter, and doesn't overclock as well as Ivy does.
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June 3, 2013 4:16:37 PM

8350rocks said:
I don't care about power draw myself...but that was what this 4th gen was supposed to do...lower power consumption...overall system consumption and CPU consumption both went up! At idle it's a tiny bit less...but not worth the hoopla.

OP:

If you want to buy haswell, go ahead...but if it saves you any money to buy Ivy, then buy it. Especially if you intend to OC as haswell runs hotter, and doesn't overclock as well as Ivy does.


+1 to this. I was rather appalled at how poorly Haswell overclocked, frankly.
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June 3, 2013 5:03:43 PM

Jack Revenant said:

Didn't know Intel would be dropping 1150 after Broadwell. That changes things quite a bit, actually.

That said, I would still consider a Haswell CPU superior, if the price is the same. Minor gains are still gains, and many of us don't really care about power draw.


Intel has a "tick / tock" cycle ever since they released the Core 2 Duo / Quad series. The socket lasts two generations. The first generation is the "tick" which generally means a new CPU architecture and relatively large performance increase. The "tock" is merely a refine of the new CPU architecture which means a relatively small improvement in performance. Haswell is "tick", Broadwell is "tock". In 2015 Intel will be releasing a new CPU architecture called Skyrim... I mean Skylake which will be the "tick" CPU and will mean a new socket. Skymont will be the "tock" CPU that will be coming out in 2016. Not sure what's coming in 2017, but again it will be a new socket.

The exceptions are:

1. The 1st generation Core i3/i5/i7 CPUs socket 1156 (Lynnfield) which only lasted 1 generation.

2. Haswell. Intel's focus with Haswell is reduced power consumption on the mobile variants of the CPU. Desktop sales are falling every year. Laptops are selling better than desktops, but while there is still some growth, sales have also been declining over the few years. Laptop sales growth is no longer in double digits (percentage speaking); year over year sales is only in the single digits now and are steadily declining. The objective is to produce power efficient CPUs that can be used in tablets and smartphones which sees double digit growth year over year.

The TDP for Haswell CPUs is higher than Ivy Bridge CPUs (84w vs 77w I think), that is in part due to the voltage regulator module (VRM) being incorporated into the CPU rather than being on the motherboard. This is the beginning of Intel's push to make their CPUs into SoCs (System on Chip) and is a direct influence of ARM processors used in tablets and smartphones. The idea to is ultimately reduce costs (because the motherboard itself will have less components since they have been integrated into CPU and reduced power consumption.

In 2014 Broadwell will be produced using the 14nm die process as opposed to the 22nm die process currently used in Haswell. This means the size of the transistors will shrink which allows for the CPU to consume less power, thus becoming more power efficient. The amount of heat should in theory also be reduced even as more functions that used be on the motherboard are integrated into the CPU. Adding more functionality to the CPU means the number of transistors will increase.

Due to the assumed lower power consumption and heat generation of Broadwell, Intel may actually increase the clock speed a little while improving IPC (Instructions Per Cycle) so that the overall performance of Broadwell will be better than the performance between Ivy Bridge and Haswell. The wrinkle however is that there is speculation that all Broadwell CPUs will be BGA (Ball Grid Array). BGA basically means there will be no socket at all. The CPU would be soldered directly into the motherboard so people would need to buy a Broadwell CPU and motherboard as a single unit. This is just speculation though.
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June 3, 2013 5:06:06 PM

Jack Revenant said:
8350rocks said:
What's his upgrade cycle? If 2 yrs + then 1150 will be a dead socket then too. Haswell is not worth any added expense...read the Tom's review...it actually draws more power than Ivy, and the gains are mostly around 4-6%. It's actually less improvement over Ivy than Ivy was over Sandy!

The Pros are, it has a better iGPU...well...whooptie doo...no gamer uses that anyway.

Ivy is a better bet, plus haswell has USB 3.0 issues and a host of other problems they're still sorting out. Don't pay a premium for inferior product.

BTW: Intel says broadwell will be entirely BGA...so he won't be upgrading his 1150 board to broadwell either. He'll have to change boards at Skylake.

Haswell is not a good solution. If it was exactly the same money...maybe...if you want to be a guinea pig while intel sorts out all the bugs. If it was less money...then sure, because less money makes sense every time.

Even Tom's Hardware review basically out and out says that it isn't worth buying unless you just want to buy Haswell. They said if you want Haswell, buy a laptop...otherwise forget it.


Didn't know Intel would be dropping 1150 after Broadwell. That changes things quite a bit, actually.

That said, I would still consider a Haswell CPU superior, if the price is the same. Minor gains are still gains, and many of us don't really care about power draw.


Come on lol. Intel has always been doing this shit for the last few generations after socket 775

socket 1366/1156 = 1 gen before being outdated.
socket 1155/2011 = 2 gens before being outdated.

what would ever stop them from doing anything different?

Jack Revenant said:
8350rocks said:
I don't care about power draw myself...but that was what this 4th gen was supposed to do...lower power consumption...overall system consumption and CPU consumption both went up! At idle it's a tiny bit less...but not worth the hoopla.

OP:

If you want to buy haswell, go ahead...but if it saves you any money to buy Ivy, then buy it. Especially if you intend to OC as haswell runs hotter, and doesn't overclock as well as Ivy does.


+1 to this. I was rather appalled at how poorly Haswell overclocked, frankly.


the only reason it overclocked poorly is because the voltage controller was integrated into the chip itself and the manufacturing method doesn't guarantee the quality...
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June 5, 2013 1:27:43 PM

Hmmmm looks like i have somethings to think about, il be buying the parts in 2 weeks time il wait it out and see if the prices fluctuate a bit, trying to get the best value for my $ atm.
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June 5, 2013 5:20:04 PM

The way I see it is Haswell performs better for the same price, there are a few reasons to stay with ivy as mentioned above but none to me would put me off. You could get a cheap Pentium until you can afford a K.
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June 9, 2013 12:05:20 PM

I got some extra $ so now i can further upgrade my MOBO and CPU Options so i decided to go with an Ivy build. Since the price for a Z87 mobo and a Haswell i5 K Series CPU is just way to expensive at the moment compare to an Ivy one. This set up should last me for quiet a few years before i need to upgrade now that i can overclock my components and the MOBO has an extra PCI-E 3.0 slot for SLI & Crossfire since the main use is a gaming build.

Parts:

i5 3570K
ASRock Z77 Extreme3 LGA 1155 Intel Z77

How ever this means that il have to re-use some of my old desktops ram 1333Mhz 4 dims of DDR3 2gig RAM, until i can get some more $ for a better memory set along with a new cooler, but that i can get much later i just need the build up and running for now.

If you guyz have any suggestions for motherboards with in that motherboards price range il be happy to look them over, but the mobo has to support the i5 3570k out of the box since i dont have an old compatible CPU to flash the BIOS so it can support the new processor.
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June 9, 2013 12:21:51 PM

I have the Asrock extreme3 990FX in my AMD rig, Asrock makes a good board, and it will OC well.
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