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June 3, 2013 2:28:54 PM

This is my dream build its a bit expensive for me im just a casual gamer thinking of overclocking to not more than 4.4 is there anything i should downgrade?

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June 3, 2013 2:35:29 PM

... you want to actually give us the build? That might help a little. :p 
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June 3, 2013 3:08:39 PM

DarkSable said:
... you want to actually give us the build? That might help a little. :p 


Nonsense! We online computer advisers can see the future! Why else would people keep asking us for recommendations on hardware that hasn't been released yet, or what FPS their graphics cards will get in Battlefield 4?
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June 3, 2013 10:07:30 PM

DarkSable said:
... you want to actually give us the build? That might help a little. :p 


Oh my sorry i forgot to paste the build and rushed out of the house lol
Someone told me to replace the sabertooth with the MSI gaming mobo what do u think? others say asus is more relaible
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12AJx
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12AJx/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12AJx/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS9500 AT Ball Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Cooling MX-2 4g Thermal Paste ($4.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH Z87 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($266.30 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($110.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($419.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($88.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: LG UH12NS29 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1420.69
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 01:05 EDT-0400)
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June 3, 2013 10:09:48 PM

Jack Revenant said:
DarkSable said:
... you want to actually give us the build? That might help a little. :p 


Nonsense! We online computer advisers can see the future! Why else would people keep asking us for recommendations on hardware that hasn't been released yet, or what FPS their graphics cards will get in Battlefield 4?


lol i just forgot to post the build xD every hardware is released on it ;p
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June 3, 2013 10:13:48 PM

It happens, don't worry.

The biggest thing that stands out to me is that you are WASTING money on that motherboard like nobody's business. A $150 motherboard will be more than sufficient - ASUS and AsRock (which used to be part of ASUS till they began beating them at their own game) are the brands I would recommend - as well as Gigabyte with reservations. [Their customer support is canned hell in a phone.]

There are some other little things that I would suggest changing - for example, buy MX-4 instead of MX-2, buy 8GB of ram *(4gb is enough for gaming, 8gb is overkill and can simultaneously run battlefield 3, photoshop, AND 20 tabs in chrome)

You really only need a 550w power supply - look at the seasonic "G" series.

Do you honestly need a blu-ray reader? Heck, a lot of us do just fine without a CD reader at all.

The only last thing I would suggest is reconsidering going with Haswell. If you aren't overclocking, Haswell is faster. However, it overclocks very poorly, meaning that after overclocking, Ivy Bridge is actually both faster and cheaper.
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June 3, 2013 11:19:47 PM

DarkSable said:
It happens, don't worry.

The biggest thing that stands out to me is that you are WASTING money on that motherboard like nobody's business. A $150 motherboard will be more than sufficient - ASUS and AsRock (which used to be part of ASUS till they began beating them at their own game) are the brands I would recommend - as well as Gigabyte with reservations. [Their customer support is canned hell in a phone.]

There are some other little things that I would suggest changing - for example, buy MX-4 instead of MX-2, buy 8GB of ram *(4gb is enough for gaming, 8gb is overkill and can simultaneously run battlefield 3, photoshop, AND 20 tabs in chrome)

You really only need a 550w power supply - look at the seasonic "G" series.

Do you honestly need a blu-ray reader? Heck, a lot of us do just fine without a CD reader at all.

The only last thing I would suggest is reconsidering going with Haswell. If you aren't overclocking, Haswell is faster. However, it overclocks very poorly, meaning that after overclocking, Ivy Bridge is actually both faster and cheaper.


What mobo do you recommend isnt the MSI gaming a good value?
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As for the CD reader I use it sometimes to watch movies ;p

But isnt the mobo + haswell better for the long term I mean 3rd generation will just start fading away? plus if i overclock the haswell to 4.0 isnt that suppose to be like a 4.3-4.4 on 3rd gen? by adding the 10% preformance

I replaced the ram with 1 http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-blt8g3d1608...
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June 3, 2013 11:37:48 PM

DarkSable said:


The biggest thing that stands out to me is that you are WASTING money on that motherboard like nobody's business. A $150 motherboard will be more than sufficient - ASUS and AsRock

You really only need a 550w power supply - look at the seasonic "G" series.


With the mobo I kind of disagree. I think the mobo should fit what the build is trying to accomplish. I game and have surround sound. I use an asus maximus V formula (though i didnt pay full price for it) it has a lot of nice features that i find handy. Since i OC a lot the bios tools are pretty handy.

Next with the power supply i completely disagree. the gtx 770 has a recommendation of at least 600 watt psu let alone if you are going to be OC'ing id beef it up just a little to be on the safe side.
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June 3, 2013 11:47:37 PM

jedgar6 said:
DarkSable said:


The biggest thing that stands out to me is that you are WASTING money on that motherboard like nobody's business. A $150 motherboard will be more than sufficient - ASUS and AsRock

You really only need a 550w power supply - look at the seasonic "G" series.


With the mobo I kind of disagree. I think the mobo should fit what the build is trying to accomplish. I game and have surround sound. I use an asus maximus V formula (though i didnt pay full price for it) it has a lot of nice features that i find handy. Since i OC a lot the bios tools are pretty handy.

Next with the power supply i completely disagree. the gtx 770 has a recommendation of at least 600 watt psu let alone if you are going to be OC'ing id beef it up just a little to be on the safe side.


I would love to keep that sabertooth but its a bit overpriced for me Im trying to replace but its a bit hard for me to decide since all those featres are tempting but Im not sure if they are all going to be used by me since Im not hardcore overclocker I just want stable gameplay with good high quality fps also the killer wifi is tempting me or is just useless ?
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June 4, 2013 12:03:51 AM

Thats why I said the mobo should fit the build. Single gpu mobos can be found for cheap and if you aren't going to oc then i would suggest the haswell series because that gives you the 1150 socket which will future proof for later cpu's. and wifi/bluetooth cards can be bought for waaaaay cheaper than integrated chips. However i will say this. As soon as there is a built-in 802.11ac wifi chip i will buy that mobo cause i have google fiber here in kansas city.
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June 4, 2013 12:17:01 AM

jedgar6 said:
Thats why I said the mobo should fit the build. Single gpu mobos can be found for cheap and if you aren't going to oc then i would suggest the haswell series because that gives you the 1150 socket which will future proof for later cpu's. and wifi/bluetooth cards can be bought for waaaaay cheaper than integrated chips. However i will say this. As soon as there is a built-in 802.11ac wifi chip i will buy that mobo cause i have google fiber here in kansas city.


Im not going to sli and i will oc with haswell as for wifi i meant is killer wifi worth counting as a super feature or not
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June 4, 2013 12:39:02 AM

embty said:
DarkSable said:
... you want to actually give us the build? That might help a little. :p 


Oh my sorry i forgot to paste the build and rushed out of the house lol
Someone told me to replace the sabertooth with the MSI gaming mobo what do u think? others say asus is more relaible
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12AJx
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12AJx/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12AJx/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS9500 AT Ball Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Cooling MX-2 4g Thermal Paste ($4.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH Z87 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($266.30 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($110.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($419.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($88.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: LG UH12NS29 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1420.69
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 01:05 EDT-0400)

DarkSable said:


The biggest thing that stands out to me is that you are WASTING money on that motherboard like nobody's business. A $150 motherboard will be more than sufficient - ASUS and AsRock

You really only need a 550w power supply - look at the seasonic "G" series.




DarkSable is correct, there are a lot of inefficiencies in this build. This would be my suggested alternative:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($22.98 @ Outlet PC)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Cooling MX-2 4g Thermal Paste ($4.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($167.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($659.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1455.73
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 03:36 EDT-0400)

Note: per your request, I have included a Haswell motherboard and OC-friendly parts, but DarkSable is nigh-certainly correct about Ivy Bridge beating Haswell in overclocking (I don't have enough data to confirm that 100%, but that's the buzz I've heard and he's a well-informed guy).
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June 4, 2013 12:41:15 AM

I didn't even think about it sorry. I haven't had any problems with it but my computer is close to the router and i use the bluetooth v 4.0 is very nice and handy. Bit expensive mobo for what you're looking for.
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June 4, 2013 12:45:27 AM

jedgar6 said:
With the mobo I kind of disagree. I think the mobo should fit what the build is trying to accomplish. I game and have surround sound. I use an asus maximus V formula (though i didnt pay full price for it) it has a lot of nice features that i find handy. Since i OC a lot the bios tools are pretty handy.

Next with the power supply i completely disagree. the gtx 770 has a recommendation of at least 600 watt psu let alone if you are going to be OC'ing id beef it up just a little to be on the safe side.


That's fine on the motherboard, but what features does it have that a lower-costing model of an equally reliable brand doesn't? I'm just saying, if you're talking integrated sound, a $120 mini-itx motherboard comes with 7.1 surround. I just don't really see spending more on the motherboard than you do on the processor as a beneficial move - there are so many other places where that money would give so much more improvement.

On the power supply, that recommendation is fair - the 770 will draw about 50w more than a 670... but a 670 with a stock i5 will run happily on a good quality 400w unit. A 550w unit is more than enough as long as it's a unit that can actually put out the power that it's rated for. There's certainly no downside to buying a larger PSU aside from cost and possibly size, but a 550w or 600w of good make will cover it.
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June 4, 2013 12:50:00 AM

Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
DarkSable said:
... you want to actually give us the build? That might help a little. :p 


Oh my sorry i forgot to paste the build and rushed out of the house lol
Someone told me to replace the sabertooth with the MSI gaming mobo what do u think? others say asus is more relaible
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12AJx
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12AJx/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12AJx/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS9500 AT Ball Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Cooling MX-2 4g Thermal Paste ($4.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH Z87 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($266.30 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($110.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($419.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($88.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: LG UH12NS29 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1420.69
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 01:05 EDT-0400)

DarkSable said:


The biggest thing that stands out to me is that you are WASTING money on that motherboard like nobody's business. A $150 motherboard will be more than sufficient - ASUS and AsRock

You really only need a 550w power supply - look at the seasonic "G" series.




DarkSable is correct, there are a lot of inefficiencies in this build. This would be my suggested alternative:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($22.98 @ Outlet PC)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Cooling MX-2 4g Thermal Paste ($4.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($167.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($659.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1455.73
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 03:36 EDT-0400)

Note: per your request, I have included a Haswell motherboard and OC-friendly parts, but DarkSable is nigh-certainly correct about Ivy Bridge beating Haswell in overclocking (I don't have enough data to confirm that 100%, but that's the buzz I've heard and he's a well-informed guy).

Great build but way too expensive for the budget i have set 1100$
And for ivy i agree but for long term building a haswell is better dont u agree?
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June 4, 2013 12:53:53 AM

embty said:

Great build but way too expensive for the budget i have set 1100$


But... but... your build cost nearly as much! Were you looking for cost-cutting advice?

Edit: Having looked at OP again, I note you mentioning that it was more expensive than you were hoping. My apologies. That said, I don't know how you expected us to know that your target was $1,100.
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June 4, 2013 12:58:57 AM

Jack Revenant said:
embty said:

Great build but way too expensive for the budget i have set 1100$


But... but... your build cost nearly as much! Were you looking for cost-cutting advice?

Edit: Having looked at OP again, I note you mentioning that it was more expensive than you were hoping. My apologies. That said, I don't know how you expected us to know that your target was $1,100.


1100$ is the best price for but i could go dor 1200$ as a max budget the budget is a bit flexable but that build i posted is expensive:p 
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June 4, 2013 1:08:10 AM

embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:

Great build but way too expensive for the budget i have set 1100$


But... but... your build cost nearly as much! Were you looking for cost-cutting advice?

Edit: Having looked at OP again, I note you mentioning that it was more expensive than you were hoping. My apologies. That said, I don't know how you expected us to know that your target was $1,100.


1100$ is the best price for but i could go dor 1200$ as a max budget the budget is a bit flexable but that build i posted is expensive:p 


The following builds could be improved in terms of power if you're willing to drop any or all of Haswell, OCing, and an SSD, but I defaulted to the assumption that you would want all of them.

Lower-cost build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($22.98 @ Outlet PC)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Cooling MX-2 4g Thermal Paste ($4.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($167.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Mushkin Chronos Deluxe MX 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($106.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($349.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1117.72
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 04:06 EDT-0400)

Higher-cost build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($22.98 @ Outlet PC)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Cooling MX-2 4g Thermal Paste ($4.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($167.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1185.73
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 04:08 EDT-0400)
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June 4, 2013 1:44:26 AM

embty said:
What do u think of this one:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12NIb


There are a few issues: 1, your RAM isn't low profile, which conflicts with most CPU coolers (though potentially not that Zalman). 2, you have only one stick of 8GB of RAM, while 2 x 4GB is more optimal. 3, you have a 770 with a reference cooler, which is unwise. Your best bet would probably be the Gigabyte 770, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Finally, you could cut costs by reducing the cooler to a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo (which is a darn good cooler and low cost to boot).
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June 4, 2013 2:07:04 AM

Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
What do u think of this one:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12NIb


There are a few issues: 1, your RAM isn't low profile, which conflicts with most CPU coolers (though potentially not that Zalman). 2, you have only one stick of 8GB of RAM, while 2 x 4GB is more optimal. 3, you have a 770 with a reference cooler, which is unwise. Your best bet would probably be the Gigabyte 770, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Finally, you could cut costs by reducing the cooler to a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo (which is a darn good cooler and low cost to boot).

But the zalman is a stronger cooler or i dont need that much cooling for ocing to 4.4? And the power supply is ok?
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June 4, 2013 2:34:59 AM

embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
What do u think of this one:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12NIb


There are a few issues: 1, your RAM isn't low profile, which conflicts with most CPU coolers (though potentially not that Zalman). 2, you have only one stick of 8GB of RAM, while 2 x 4GB is more optimal. 3, you have a 770 with a reference cooler, which is unwise. Your best bet would probably be the Gigabyte 770, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Finally, you could cut costs by reducing the cooler to a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo (which is a darn good cooler and low cost to boot).

But the zalman is a stronger cooler or i dont need that much cooling for ocing to 4.4? And the power supply is ok?


4.4? I'd actually recommend a slightly stronger cooler, such as the Noctua DH14. That said, is there a particular reason you want to OC to 4.4? Haswell has a harder time overclocking than Ivy Bridge, so you might have difficulties.

Edit: You could cut a lot of cost on the PSU while losing nothing by using an XFX Core Edition 750w (for some bass-ackwards reason it's less costly than the 650w).
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June 4, 2013 2:50:19 AM

Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
What do u think of this one:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12NIb


There are a few issues: 1, your RAM isn't low profile, which conflicts with most CPU coolers (though potentially not that Zalman). 2, you have only one stick of 8GB of RAM, while 2 x 4GB is more optimal. 3, you have a 770 with a reference cooler, which is unwise. Your best bet would probably be the Gigabyte 770, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Finally, you could cut costs by reducing the cooler to a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo (which is a darn good cooler and low cost to boot).

But the zalman is a stronger cooler or i dont need that much cooling for ocing to 4.4? And the power supply is ok?

How much can zalman handle 4.1? And ill take that psu for sure
4.4? I'd actually recommend a slightly stronger cooler, such as the Noctua DH14. That said, is there a particular reason you want to OC to 4.4? Haswell has a harder time overclocking than Ivy Bridge, so you might have difficulties.

Edit: You could cut a lot of cost on the PSU while losing nothing by using an XFX Core Edition 750w (for some bass-ackwards reason it's less costly than the 650w).


How much oc can zalman handle 4.1? Or that hyper212? As for the psu ill pick XFX for sure
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June 4, 2013 2:56:22 AM

embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
What do u think of this one:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12NIb


There are a few issues: 1, your RAM isn't low profile, which conflicts with most CPU coolers (though potentially not that Zalman). 2, you have only one stick of 8GB of RAM, while 2 x 4GB is more optimal. 3, you have a 770 with a reference cooler, which is unwise. Your best bet would probably be the Gigabyte 770, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Finally, you could cut costs by reducing the cooler to a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo (which is a darn good cooler and low cost to boot).

But the zalman is a stronger cooler or i dont need that much cooling for ocing to 4.4? And the power supply is ok?


4.4? I'd actually recommend a slightly stronger cooler, such as the Noctua DH14. That said, is there a particular reason you want to OC to 4.4? Haswell has a harder time overclocking than Ivy Bridge, so you might have difficulties.

Edit: You could cut a lot of cost on the PSU while losing nothing by using an XFX Core Edition 750w (for some bass-ackwards reason it's less costly than the 650w).


How much oc can zalman handle 4.1? Or that hyper212? As for the psu ill pick XFX for sure


I am uncertain of the specifications of that cooler. You might consider searching for reviews for it.

Unfortunately, I couldn't speculate as to how much of an overclock you'll be able to get, as (beyond "they don't do well") I don't have much information on overclocking Haswell CPUs. My apologies.
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June 4, 2013 4:42:32 AM

Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
What do u think of this one:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12NIb


There are a few issues: 1, your RAM isn't low profile, which conflicts with most CPU coolers (though potentially not that Zalman). 2, you have only one stick of 8GB of RAM, while 2 x 4GB is more optimal. 3, you have a 770 with a reference cooler, which is unwise. Your best bet would probably be the Gigabyte 770, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Finally, you could cut costs by reducing the cooler to a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo (which is a darn good cooler and low cost to boot).

But the zalman is a stronger cooler or i dont need that much cooling for ocing to 4.4? And the power supply is ok?


4.4? I'd actually recommend a slightly stronger cooler, such as the Noctua DH14. That said, is there a particular reason you want to OC to 4.4? Haswell has a harder time overclocking than Ivy Bridge, so you might have difficulties.

Edit: You could cut a lot of cost on the PSU while losing nothing by using an XFX Core Edition 750w (for some bass-ackwards reason it's less costly than the 650w).


How much oc can zalman handle 4.1? Or that hyper212? As for the psu ill pick XFX for sure


I am uncertain of the specifications of that cooler. You might consider searching for reviews for it.

Unfortunately, I couldn't speculate as to how much of an overclock you'll be able to get, as (beyond "they don't do well") I don't have much information on overclocking Haswell CPUs. My apologies.


the 770 evga has EVGA ACX Cooler thats a reference cooler?
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June 4, 2013 4:47:41 AM

embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
What do u think of this one:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12NIb


There are a few issues: 1, your RAM isn't low profile, which conflicts with most CPU coolers (though potentially not that Zalman). 2, you have only one stick of 8GB of RAM, while 2 x 4GB is more optimal. 3, you have a 770 with a reference cooler, which is unwise. Your best bet would probably be the Gigabyte 770, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Finally, you could cut costs by reducing the cooler to a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo (which is a darn good cooler and low cost to boot).

But the zalman is a stronger cooler or i dont need that much cooling for ocing to 4.4? And the power supply is ok?


4.4? I'd actually recommend a slightly stronger cooler, such as the Noctua DH14. That said, is there a particular reason you want to OC to 4.4? Haswell has a harder time overclocking than Ivy Bridge, so you might have difficulties.

Edit: You could cut a lot of cost on the PSU while losing nothing by using an XFX Core Edition 750w (for some bass-ackwards reason it's less costly than the 650w).


How much oc can zalman handle 4.1? Or that hyper212? As for the psu ill pick XFX for sure


I am uncertain of the specifications of that cooler. You might consider searching for reviews for it.

Unfortunately, I couldn't speculate as to how much of an overclock you'll be able to get, as (beyond "they don't do well") I don't have much information on overclocking Haswell CPUs. My apologies.


the 770 evga has EVGA ACX Cooler thats a reference cooler?


Whoops, misread the PC Part Picker name on it. That one has a non-reference cooler, though not a terribly great one. The Windforce x3 is about the best cooler you're going to get on a 770, at least at the moment.
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June 4, 2013 5:04:05 AM

Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
What do u think of this one:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12NIb


There are a few issues: 1, your RAM isn't low profile, which conflicts with most CPU coolers (though potentially not that Zalman). 2, you have only one stick of 8GB of RAM, while 2 x 4GB is more optimal. 3, you have a 770 with a reference cooler, which is unwise. Your best bet would probably be the Gigabyte 770, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Finally, you could cut costs by reducing the cooler to a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo (which is a darn good cooler and low cost to boot).

But the zalman is a stronger cooler or i dont need that much cooling for ocing to 4.4? And the power supply is ok?


4.4? I'd actually recommend a slightly stronger cooler, such as the Noctua DH14. That said, is there a particular reason you want to OC to 4.4? Haswell has a harder time overclocking than Ivy Bridge, so you might have difficulties.

Edit: You could cut a lot of cost on the PSU while losing nothing by using an XFX Core Edition 750w (for some bass-ackwards reason it's less costly than the 650w).


How much oc can zalman handle 4.1? Or that hyper212? As for the psu ill pick XFX for sure


I am uncertain of the specifications of that cooler. You might consider searching for reviews for it.

Unfortunately, I couldn't speculate as to how much of an overclock you'll be able to get, as (beyond "they don't do well") I don't have much information on overclocking Haswell CPUs. My apologies.


the 770 evga has EVGA ACX Cooler thats a reference cooler?


Whoops, misread the PC Part Picker name on it. That one has a non-reference cooler, though not a terribly great one. The Windforce x3 is about the best cooler you're going to get on a 770, at least at the moment.

if the total wattage is 408W do i need to get the XFX 750W psu ? or should i just go with the XFX P1-550S-XXB9 550w ? t whats the safest option? theres a 10$ difference between both
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June 4, 2013 5:06:54 AM

embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
What do u think of this one:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12NIb


There are a few issues: 1, your RAM isn't low profile, which conflicts with most CPU coolers (though potentially not that Zalman). 2, you have only one stick of 8GB of RAM, while 2 x 4GB is more optimal. 3, you have a 770 with a reference cooler, which is unwise. Your best bet would probably be the Gigabyte 770, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Finally, you could cut costs by reducing the cooler to a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo (which is a darn good cooler and low cost to boot).

But the zalman is a stronger cooler or i dont need that much cooling for ocing to 4.4? And the power supply is ok?


4.4? I'd actually recommend a slightly stronger cooler, such as the Noctua DH14. That said, is there a particular reason you want to OC to 4.4? Haswell has a harder time overclocking than Ivy Bridge, so you might have difficulties.

Edit: You could cut a lot of cost on the PSU while losing nothing by using an XFX Core Edition 750w (for some bass-ackwards reason it's less costly than the 650w).


How much oc can zalman handle 4.1? Or that hyper212? As for the psu ill pick XFX for sure


I am uncertain of the specifications of that cooler. You might consider searching for reviews for it.

Unfortunately, I couldn't speculate as to how much of an overclock you'll be able to get, as (beyond "they don't do well") I don't have much information on overclocking Haswell CPUs. My apologies.


the 770 evga has EVGA ACX Cooler thats a reference cooler?


Whoops, misread the PC Part Picker name on it. That one has a non-reference cooler, though not a terribly great one. The Windforce x3 is about the best cooler you're going to get on a 770, at least at the moment.

if the total wattage is 408W do i need to get the XFX 750W psu ? or should i just go with the XFX P1-550S-XXB9 550w ? t whats the safest option?


You likely don't need the 750w, but it costs only marginally more and falls above, rather than below, the recommended PSU wattage for your graphics card. In your shoes, I'd use the 750w. That said, I'm also paranoid about PSUs.
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June 4, 2013 5:26:31 AM

Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
What do u think of this one:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12NIb


There are a few issues: 1, your RAM isn't low profile, which conflicts with most CPU coolers (though potentially not that Zalman). 2, you have only one stick of 8GB of RAM, while 2 x 4GB is more optimal. 3, you have a 770 with a reference cooler, which is unwise. Your best bet would probably be the Gigabyte 770, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Finally, you could cut costs by reducing the cooler to a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo (which is a darn good cooler and low cost to boot).

But the zalman is a stronger cooler or i dont need that much cooling for ocing to 4.4? And the power supply is ok?


4.4? I'd actually recommend a slightly stronger cooler, such as the Noctua DH14. That said, is there a particular reason you want to OC to 4.4? Haswell has a harder time overclocking than Ivy Bridge, so you might have difficulties.

Edit: You could cut a lot of cost on the PSU while losing nothing by using an XFX Core Edition 750w (for some bass-ackwards reason it's less costly than the 650w).


How much oc can zalman handle 4.1? Or that hyper212? As for the psu ill pick XFX for sure


I am uncertain of the specifications of that cooler. You might consider searching for reviews for it.

Unfortunately, I couldn't speculate as to how much of an overclock you'll be able to get, as (beyond "they don't do well") I don't have much information on overclocking Haswell CPUs. My apologies.


the 770 evga has EVGA ACX Cooler thats a reference cooler?


Whoops, misread the PC Part Picker name on it. That one has a non-reference cooler, though not a terribly great one. The Windforce x3 is about the best cooler you're going to get on a 770, at least at the moment.

if the total wattage is 408W do i need to get the XFX 750W psu ? or should i just go with the XFX P1-550S-XXB9 550w ? t whats the safest option?


You likely don't need the 750w, but it costs only marginally more and falls above, rather than below, the recommended PSU wattage for your graphics card. In your shoes, I'd use the 750w. That said, I'm also paranoid about PSUs.


thank you very much for youre help this is my last build I named (Final resort) : http://pcpartpicker.com/b/Cvz

Just need to pick a good monitor now I appreciate youre help thank you!
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June 4, 2013 11:46:14 AM

Jack Revenant said:
Unfortunately, I couldn't speculate as to how much of an overclock you'll be able to get, as (beyond "they don't do well") I don't have much information on overclocking Haswell CPUs. My apologies.


Lemme throw some links your way - these are what I've been using for my primary sources of information on Haswell.

Here's Tom's Hardware.

Overclockers.com guide to Haswell
Quote:
The first thing you need to know about Haswell you already found out in our review (read it here if you haven’t already) – it runs hot. You will need a lot more than the stock cooler if you want to overclock. With a very good air cooler or all-in-one water cooler, you’re looking at a heat limited voltage cap of about 1.25 V. At that voltage with air or AIO cooling, you’ll be seeing temperatures in the upper 80′s to lower 90′s (°C) range under normal full processor load.


Tech Report's Review
Quote:
Asus has tested hundreds of Haswell CPUs as part of its effort to profile the chip for auto-tuning algorithms. According to the motherboard maker, Intel's new hotness has a little less overclocking headroom than Ivy Bridge does. Perhaps more importantly, Haswell apparently has more variance from chip to chip, especially in the voltages necessary to hit specific speeds.
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June 4, 2013 2:12:38 PM

embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
Jack Revenant said:
embty said:
What do u think of this one:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12NIb


There are a few issues: 1, your RAM isn't low profile, which conflicts with most CPU coolers (though potentially not that Zalman). 2, you have only one stick of 8GB of RAM, while 2 x 4GB is more optimal. 3, you have a 770 with a reference cooler, which is unwise. Your best bet would probably be the Gigabyte 770, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Finally, you could cut costs by reducing the cooler to a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo (which is a darn good cooler and low cost to boot).

But the zalman is a stronger cooler or i dont need that much cooling for ocing to 4.4? And the power supply is ok?


4.4? I'd actually recommend a slightly stronger cooler, such as the Noctua DH14. That said, is there a particular reason you want to OC to 4.4? Haswell has a harder time overclocking than Ivy Bridge, so you might have difficulties.

Edit: You could cut a lot of cost on the PSU while losing nothing by using an XFX Core Edition 750w (for some bass-ackwards reason it's less costly than the 650w).


How much oc can zalman handle 4.1? Or that hyper212? As for the psu ill pick XFX for sure


I am uncertain of the specifications of that cooler. You might consider searching for reviews for it.

Unfortunately, I couldn't speculate as to how much of an overclock you'll be able to get, as (beyond "they don't do well") I don't have much information on overclocking Haswell CPUs. My apologies.


the 770 evga has EVGA ACX Cooler thats a reference cooler?


Whoops, misread the PC Part Picker name on it. That one has a non-reference cooler, though not a terribly great one. The Windforce x3 is about the best cooler you're going to get on a 770, at least at the moment.

if the total wattage is 408W do i need to get the XFX 750W psu ? or should i just go with the XFX P1-550S-XXB9 550w ? t whats the safest option?


You likely don't need the 750w, but it costs only marginally more and falls above, rather than below, the recommended PSU wattage for your graphics card. In your shoes, I'd use the 750w. That said, I'm also paranoid about PSUs.


thank you very much for youre help this is my last build I named (Final resort) : http://pcpartpicker.com/b/Cvz

Just need to pick a good monitor now I appreciate youre help thank you!


Glad I could help. Not sure what your budget for a monitor is, but if you can fit in an ASUS VG248QE, I highly recommend it. Best monitor I've ever had.

@DarkSable: Thanks for the links, mate. I'll need to bookmark those.
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