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June 4, 2013 12:32:19 AM

I'm planning on spending about under $1000 dollars but will go up to $100 with this build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($22.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2GB Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $856.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 03:30 EDT-0400)

Anyone thoughts on what you would do differently? Again, this is my first build that I will using for computer games. Like I said in the title I will be building it early August this year. Thanks for he help.
June 4, 2013 12:58:44 AM

If you plan to build in August, come back in late July or early August. Often our recommendations will incorporate sales which have very short durations, not to mention the fact that new products will come out in the intervening time, and also that prices will shift. As a result, any build we design now will likely be obsolete by then, or at least not nearly as efficient as it was when it was created.
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June 4, 2013 1:11:28 AM

Jack Revenant said:
If you plan to build in August, come back in late July or early August. Often our recommendations will incorporate sales which have very short durations, not to mention the fact that new products will come out in the intervening time, and also that prices will shift. As a result, any build we design now will likely be obsolete by then, or at least not nearly as efficient as it was when it was created.


I'm very well aware of how parts change price throughout the year. All I am looking for is insight on this build I have now. What would you do with this build at this given time if you were going to build it this week. Forget I said I was building it in August.
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June 4, 2013 1:13:50 AM

Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
If you plan to build in August, come back in late July or early August. Often our recommendations will incorporate sales which have very short durations, not to mention the fact that new products will come out in the intervening time, and also that prices will shift. As a result, any build we design now will likely be obsolete by then, or at least not nearly as efficient as it was when it was created.


I'm very well aware of how parts change price throughout the year. All I am looking for is insight on this build I have now. What would you do with this build at this given time if you were going to build it this week. Forget I said I was building it in August.


Cut pretty much everything down a bit and get a much more powerful GPU. At the $1k price range, you should have a 7950 at minimum, and I almost always manage to fit a 7970.

Edit: Like so:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H87 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($95.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($55.25 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($384.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1014.66
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 04:18 EDT-0400)
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June 4, 2013 1:32:09 AM

Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
If you plan to build in August, come back in late July or early August. Often our recommendations will incorporate sales which have very short durations, not to mention the fact that new products will come out in the intervening time, and also that prices will shift. As a result, any build we design now will likely be obsolete by then, or at least not nearly as efficient as it was when it was created.


I'm very well aware of how parts change price throughout the year. All I am looking for is insight on this build I have now. What would you do with this build at this given time if you were going to build it this week. Forget I said I was building it in August.


Cut pretty much everything down a bit and get a much more powerful GPU. At the $1k price range, you should have a 7950 at minimum, and I almost always manage to fit a 7970.

Edit: Like so:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H87 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($95.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($55.25 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($384.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1014.66
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 04:18 EDT-0400)


What't the difference between the i5 4570 and the 3570k? I know you can't overclock on the 4570 but what changes come with a $20 dollar difference? Also is there an equivalent Nvidia Gpu you can suggest? I'm also a little confused has to why you didn't add a Cpu cooler.
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June 4, 2013 1:38:53 AM

Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
If you plan to build in August, come back in late July or early August. Often our recommendations will incorporate sales which have very short durations, not to mention the fact that new products will come out in the intervening time, and also that prices will shift. As a result, any build we design now will likely be obsolete by then, or at least not nearly as efficient as it was when it was created.


I'm very well aware of how parts change price throughout the year. All I am looking for is insight on this build I have now. What would you do with this build at this given time if you were going to build it this week. Forget I said I was building it in August.


Cut pretty much everything down a bit and get a much more powerful GPU. At the $1k price range, you should have a 7950 at minimum, and I almost always manage to fit a 7970.

Edit: Like so:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H87 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($95.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($55.25 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($384.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1014.66
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 04:18 EDT-0400)


What't the difference between the i5 4570 and the 3570k? I know you can't overclock on the 4570 but what changes come with a $20 dollar difference? Also is there an equivalent Nvidia Gpu you can suggest? I'm also a little confused has to why you didn't add a Cpu cooler.


In order: The 4570 a Haswell CPU, which means that it is slightly more powerful (around 10%) than a comparable Ivy Bridge CPU (which would be either the 3470 or the 3570). Haswell CPUs overclock poorly, but as the 4570 is not a -k CPU, that's not a issue. There is an equivalent nVidia GPU, in the form of the GTX 770. I suggest the version from Gigabyte, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Lastly, there is no need for a CPU cooler when you're not overclocking.

Edit: For reference, you could fit overclocking into this build, but it would likely increase cost a bit (even going for price-efficient options), which is why I left it out.
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June 4, 2013 1:39:42 AM

the 4000s series haswell will have a new instruction set.....spend the 20 bucks.
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June 4, 2013 1:59:07 AM

Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
If you plan to build in August, come back in late July or early August. Often our recommendations will incorporate sales which have very short durations, not to mention the fact that new products will come out in the intervening time, and also that prices will shift. As a result, any build we design now will likely be obsolete by then, or at least not nearly as efficient as it was when it was created.


I'm very well aware of how parts change price throughout the year. All I am looking for is insight on this build I have now. What would you do with this build at this given time if you were going to build it this week. Forget I said I was building it in August.


Cut pretty much everything down a bit and get a much more powerful GPU. At the $1k price range, you should have a 7950 at minimum, and I almost always manage to fit a 7970.

Edit: Like so:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H87 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($95.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($55.25 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($384.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1014.66
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 04:18 EDT-0400)


What't the difference between the i5 4570 and the 3570k? I know you can't overclock on the 4570 but what changes come with a $20 dollar difference? Also is there an equivalent Nvidia Gpu you can suggest? I'm also a little confused has to why you didn't add a Cpu cooler.


In order: The 4570 a Haswell CPU, which means that it is slightly more powerful (around 10%) than a comparable Ivy Bridge CPU (which would be either the 3470 or the 3570). Haswell CPUs overclock poorly, but as the 4570 is not a -k CPU, that's not a issue. There is an equivalent nVidia GPU, in the form of the GTX 770. I suggest the version from Gigabyte, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Lastly, there is no need for a CPU cooler when you're not overclocking.

Edit: For reference, you could fit overclocking into this build, but it would likely increase cost a bit (even going for price-efficient options), which is why I left it out.


So do I not need to buy a fan? What about a case fan?
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June 4, 2013 2:03:42 AM

Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
If you plan to build in August, come back in late July or early August. Often our recommendations will incorporate sales which have very short durations, not to mention the fact that new products will come out in the intervening time, and also that prices will shift. As a result, any build we design now will likely be obsolete by then, or at least not nearly as efficient as it was when it was created.


I'm very well aware of how parts change price throughout the year. All I am looking for is insight on this build I have now. What would you do with this build at this given time if you were going to build it this week. Forget I said I was building it in August.


Cut pretty much everything down a bit and get a much more powerful GPU. At the $1k price range, you should have a 7950 at minimum, and I almost always manage to fit a 7970.

Edit: Like so:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H87 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($95.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($55.25 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($384.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1014.66
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 04:18 EDT-0400)


What't the difference between the i5 4570 and the 3570k? I know you can't overclock on the 4570 but what changes come with a $20 dollar difference? Also is there an equivalent Nvidia Gpu you can suggest? I'm also a little confused has to why you didn't add a Cpu cooler.


In order: The 4570 a Haswell CPU, which means that it is slightly more powerful (around 10%) than a comparable Ivy Bridge CPU (which would be either the 3470 or the 3570). Haswell CPUs overclock poorly, but as the 4570 is not a -k CPU, that's not a issue. There is an equivalent nVidia GPU, in the form of the GTX 770. I suggest the version from Gigabyte, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Lastly, there is no need for a CPU cooler when you're not overclocking.

Edit: For reference, you could fit overclocking into this build, but it would likely increase cost a bit (even going for price-efficient options), which is why I left it out.


So do I not need to buy a fan? What about a case fan?


The 200R (and, in fact, the HAF 912) is well-cooled already (though some superior options exist). If you don't have a specific plan about how you'll be adding fans, you could actually do more harm than good by messing up the airflow in the case. Generally, good cases are fine with just the stock fans, and bad cases aren't worth buying. Improvements can be made, but cooling shouldn't be a massive issue for you anyway.
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June 4, 2013 2:10:43 AM

Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
If you plan to build in August, come back in late July or early August. Often our recommendations will incorporate sales which have very short durations, not to mention the fact that new products will come out in the intervening time, and also that prices will shift. As a result, any build we design now will likely be obsolete by then, or at least not nearly as efficient as it was when it was created.


I'm very well aware of how parts change price throughout the year. All I am looking for is insight on this build I have now. What would you do with this build at this given time if you were going to build it this week. Forget I said I was building it in August.


Cut pretty much everything down a bit and get a much more powerful GPU. At the $1k price range, you should have a 7950 at minimum, and I almost always manage to fit a 7970.

Edit: Like so:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H87 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($95.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($55.25 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($384.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1014.66
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 04:18 EDT-0400)


What't the difference between the i5 4570 and the 3570k? I know you can't overclock on the 4570 but what changes come with a $20 dollar difference? Also is there an equivalent Nvidia Gpu you can suggest? I'm also a little confused has to why you didn't add a Cpu cooler.


In order: The 4570 a Haswell CPU, which means that it is slightly more powerful (around 10%) than a comparable Ivy Bridge CPU (which would be either the 3470 or the 3570). Haswell CPUs overclock poorly, but as the 4570 is not a -k CPU, that's not a issue. There is an equivalent nVidia GPU, in the form of the GTX 770. I suggest the version from Gigabyte, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Lastly, there is no need for a CPU cooler when you're not overclocking.

Edit: For reference, you could fit overclocking into this build, but it would likely increase cost a bit (even going for price-efficient options), which is why I left it out.


So do I not need to buy a fan? What about a case fan?


The 200R (and, in fact, the HAF 912) is well-cooled already (though some superior options exist). If you don't have a specific plan about how you'll be adding fans, you could actually do more harm than good by messing up the airflow in the case. Generally, good cases are fine with just the stock fans, and bad cases aren't worth buying. Improvements can be made, but cooling shouldn't be a massive issue for you anyway.


Would my original case I chose the Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99) be sufficient? I know it costs a little more but I really like how it looks and the cable management it has inside.
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June 4, 2013 2:33:26 AM

Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
If you plan to build in August, come back in late July or early August. Often our recommendations will incorporate sales which have very short durations, not to mention the fact that new products will come out in the intervening time, and also that prices will shift. As a result, any build we design now will likely be obsolete by then, or at least not nearly as efficient as it was when it was created.


I'm very well aware of how parts change price throughout the year. All I am looking for is insight on this build I have now. What would you do with this build at this given time if you were going to build it this week. Forget I said I was building it in August.


Cut pretty much everything down a bit and get a much more powerful GPU. At the $1k price range, you should have a 7950 at minimum, and I almost always manage to fit a 7970.

Edit: Like so:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H87 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($95.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($55.25 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($384.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1014.66
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 04:18 EDT-0400)


What't the difference between the i5 4570 and the 3570k? I know you can't overclock on the 4570 but what changes come with a $20 dollar difference? Also is there an equivalent Nvidia Gpu you can suggest? I'm also a little confused has to why you didn't add a Cpu cooler.


In order: The 4570 a Haswell CPU, which means that it is slightly more powerful (around 10%) than a comparable Ivy Bridge CPU (which would be either the 3470 or the 3570). Haswell CPUs overclock poorly, but as the 4570 is not a -k CPU, that's not a issue. There is an equivalent nVidia GPU, in the form of the GTX 770. I suggest the version from Gigabyte, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Lastly, there is no need for a CPU cooler when you're not overclocking.

Edit: For reference, you could fit overclocking into this build, but it would likely increase cost a bit (even going for price-efficient options), which is why I left it out.


So do I not need to buy a fan? What about a case fan?


The 200R (and, in fact, the HAF 912) is well-cooled already (though some superior options exist). If you don't have a specific plan about how you'll be adding fans, you could actually do more harm than good by messing up the airflow in the case. Generally, good cases are fine with just the stock fans, and bad cases aren't worth buying. Improvements can be made, but cooling shouldn't be a massive issue for you anyway.


Would my original case I chose the Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99) be sufficient? I know it costs a little more but I really like how it looks and the cable management it has inside.


The Define R4 is an absolutely great case, and I highly recommend it. It's quiet, cool, and good-looking. There are cooler options in that price range (the NZXT Phantom 410 being my favourite), but if you like the R4 and can fit it in the budget, it is more than a solid choice.
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June 4, 2013 2:42:06 AM

Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
If you plan to build in August, come back in late July or early August. Often our recommendations will incorporate sales which have very short durations, not to mention the fact that new products will come out in the intervening time, and also that prices will shift. As a result, any build we design now will likely be obsolete by then, or at least not nearly as efficient as it was when it was created.


I'm very well aware of how parts change price throughout the year. All I am looking for is insight on this build I have now. What would you do with this build at this given time if you were going to build it this week. Forget I said I was building it in August.


Cut pretty much everything down a bit and get a much more powerful GPU. At the $1k price range, you should have a 7950 at minimum, and I almost always manage to fit a 7970.

Edit: Like so:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H87 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($95.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($55.25 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($384.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1014.66
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 04:18 EDT-0400)


What't the difference between the i5 4570 and the 3570k? I know you can't overclock on the 4570 but what changes come with a $20 dollar difference? Also is there an equivalent Nvidia Gpu you can suggest? I'm also a little confused has to why you didn't add a Cpu cooler.


In order: The 4570 a Haswell CPU, which means that it is slightly more powerful (around 10%) than a comparable Ivy Bridge CPU (which would be either the 3470 or the 3570). Haswell CPUs overclock poorly, but as the 4570 is not a -k CPU, that's not a issue. There is an equivalent nVidia GPU, in the form of the GTX 770. I suggest the version from Gigabyte, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Lastly, there is no need for a CPU cooler when you're not overclocking.

Edit: For reference, you could fit overclocking into this build, but it would likely increase cost a bit (even going for price-efficient options), which is why I left it out.


So do I not need to buy a fan? What about a case fan?


The 200R (and, in fact, the HAF 912) is well-cooled already (though some superior options exist). If you don't have a specific plan about how you'll be adding fans, you could actually do more harm than good by messing up the airflow in the case. Generally, good cases are fine with just the stock fans, and bad cases aren't worth buying. Improvements can be made, but cooling shouldn't be a massive issue for you anyway.


Would my original case I chose the Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99) be sufficient? I know it costs a little more but I really like how it looks and the cable management it has inside.


The Define R4 is an absolutely great case, and I highly recommend it. It's quiet, cool, and good-looking. There are cooler options in that price range (the NZXT Phantom 410 being my favourite), but if you like the R4 and can fit it in the budget, it is more than a solid choice.


Wow, I'm in love with that case. Definitely getting the NZXT Phantom 410 full white with black finish.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-caph410w1
Thanks for all the help.
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June 4, 2013 2:48:48 AM

Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
Lowboh said:
Jack Revenant said:
If you plan to build in August, come back in late July or early August. Often our recommendations will incorporate sales which have very short durations, not to mention the fact that new products will come out in the intervening time, and also that prices will shift. As a result, any build we design now will likely be obsolete by then, or at least not nearly as efficient as it was when it was created.


I'm very well aware of how parts change price throughout the year. All I am looking for is insight on this build I have now. What would you do with this build at this given time if you were going to build it this week. Forget I said I was building it in August.


Cut pretty much everything down a bit and get a much more powerful GPU. At the $1k price range, you should have a 7950 at minimum, and I almost always manage to fit a 7970.

Edit: Like so:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H87 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($95.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($55.25 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($384.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.94 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1014.66
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 04:18 EDT-0400)


What't the difference between the i5 4570 and the 3570k? I know you can't overclock on the 4570 but what changes come with a $20 dollar difference? Also is there an equivalent Nvidia Gpu you can suggest? I'm also a little confused has to why you didn't add a Cpu cooler.


In order: The 4570 a Haswell CPU, which means that it is slightly more powerful (around 10%) than a comparable Ivy Bridge CPU (which would be either the 3470 or the 3570). Haswell CPUs overclock poorly, but as the 4570 is not a -k CPU, that's not a issue. There is an equivalent nVidia GPU, in the form of the GTX 770. I suggest the version from Gigabyte, with the Windforce x3 cooler. Lastly, there is no need for a CPU cooler when you're not overclocking.

Edit: For reference, you could fit overclocking into this build, but it would likely increase cost a bit (even going for price-efficient options), which is why I left it out.


So do I not need to buy a fan? What about a case fan?


The 200R (and, in fact, the HAF 912) is well-cooled already (though some superior options exist). If you don't have a specific plan about how you'll be adding fans, you could actually do more harm than good by messing up the airflow in the case. Generally, good cases are fine with just the stock fans, and bad cases aren't worth buying. Improvements can be made, but cooling shouldn't be a massive issue for you anyway.


Would my original case I chose the Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99) be sufficient? I know it costs a little more but I really like how it looks and the cable management it has inside.


The Define R4 is an absolutely great case, and I highly recommend it. It's quiet, cool, and good-looking. There are cooler options in that price range (the NZXT Phantom 410 being my favourite), but if you like the R4 and can fit it in the budget, it is more than a solid choice.


Wow, I'm in love with that case. Definitely getting the NZXT Phantom 410 full white with black finish.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-caph410w1
Thanks for all the help.


Yeah, NZXTs are easy to fall in love with. I had the same feeling when I laid eyes on my 820.

I'm glad I was able to help. :) 
Happy gaming!
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June 5, 2013 8:43:30 PM

I am loving these replies that cut off all the text, so we can have fun with letter spamming. try not reply...
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June 6, 2013 12:43:30 AM

Schwanzstuck said:
I am loving these replies that cut off all the text, so we can have fun with letter spamming. try not reply...


Was this really worth bumping a solved thread to post?
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