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FX-6350 vs A10-6800K and G.Skill vs Mushkin

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June 4, 2013 1:52:05 PM

Building a new system and the intended purpose listed below.
I'm new here and some of my questions cross more than one forum, so excuse me. But hopefully I'll get my issues addressed...

Purpose:
    Photo editting (adobe Lightroom, from what I've read, lightroom hasn't been optimized to take advantage of graphics processor)
    Software development work, connecting to office VPN, etc.
    Entertainment: movies, music, browsing
    No gaming
    Multitasking: browsing, streaming, moving files around,
    Currently have one display (1920 x 1080), but want to add another in due course of time
    Overclocking: not immediately, but would want to toy with it at some later point
    Need USB3.0, as I'll be backing up lots of data on external HDD
    SSD for operating system: faster boot, sleep and program loads
    No intention of going for SLI


For the longest time I was deliberating between FX-8320(3.5ghz, $160) and FX-8350 (4ghz, $200) but with the announcement of FX-6530 (3.9ghz, $140) I'm strongly leaning towards FX-6350.
I was even pondering on the newest A10-6800K Richland ($150), which would mean I won't need a dedicated graphics card (for my intended uses => saved $$$s). But I'm leaning more towards 6350 for more cores.

Build I am considering:

    Processor I'm pretty much settled on FX-6350, kind of sweet spot for price vs. (expected) performance
    RAM 16GB, G.SKILL Ripjaws X SeriesF3-12800CL10D-16GBXL vs Mushkin Enhanced Redline Model 997104
    Mobo: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+
    Samsung Pro 840 SSD
    Video Card HD 6570, Sapphire Radeon HD 6570 1GB ($50, but $40 after promo discount).


Questions:

    If I'm going to be using FX-6350 at its stock settings, would I still need an after-market cooler? Would something like Cooler Master Hyper TX3 ($20) hold good?
    Would Cooler Master Hyper TX3 still be good for overclocking?
    RAM: G.Skill(10-10-10-30, DDR3-1600 1.5V) is at about $103.50 and Mushkin (9-9-9-27, DDR3-1866 1.5V) at $104, both on newegg with current promotions.


I did the math to compute sequential read latencies and that on Mushkin is lower than those on G.Skill. Mushkin is rated at 1866 while G.Skill at 1600. Commonsense tells me Mushkin would be better deal and might give more life out of my system, but I'm not sure if those will work with my mobo and processor (without overclocking).

Mushkin is a very recent addition to newegg (so fewer reviews), but G.Skill has been there for a long long time (tried-n-tested, at newegg at least). Given you guys have built multiple systems, you might have more thoughts as to whether Mushkin is equally good or not.

Links to products referenced:
FX-6350
A10-6800K Richland
Mushkin, DDR3 1866, 9-9-9-27
Gskill, DDR3 1600, 10-10-10-30
ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+
Cooler Master Hyper TX3

Any suggestions and improvements are more than welcome.
June 4, 2013 2:07:45 PM

Hi
the mushkin is def the better choice in Ram, the lower latency plus the higher speed is a win. Photo editing definately makes use of the extra cores so I would write off the A10 and go for a FX6350 or a FX8320. The FX8320 will get you the most performance and quickest renders. The TX3 is great for normal use but for overclocks I would go for a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO about $35.

Have Fun
Fungi
June 4, 2013 2:11:12 PM

The stock cooler is more than adequate for even a light OC. Anyway, the 6350 hands down. Also, cut down on the RAM. I have 16GB and it's never gone over 40% usage, even when using Premiere and Photoshop at the same time.
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June 4, 2013 2:56:58 PM

HI

If you have sufficient ram you can turn off your Page File for added performance, there are a couple of "classic" programs that don't run without a page file but they are pretty old now. Or you can use the extra ram for a Ramdisk that is MUCH faster than an SSD, I have some large Dbase's that just fly on a ramdisk. But no you dont need any more than 8GB for your use.

Personally I think all stock coolers are crap (AMD not so bad as Intel), if I am investing $500-$1000 in a PC then I want to know it will be properly cooled, just like I don't buy cheap no-name PSU's. I prefer quiet and cool to convenient and cheap.

Have Fun
Fungi
June 4, 2013 3:51:48 PM

What is your budget?
June 4, 2013 4:33:08 PM

funguseater said:
HI

If you have sufficient ram you can turn off your Page File for added performance, there are a couple of "classic" programs that don't run without a page file but they are pretty old now. Or you can use the extra ram for a Ramdisk that is MUCH faster than an SSD, I have some large Dbase's that just fly on a ramdisk. But no you dont need any more than 8GB for your use.

Personally I think all stock coolers are crap (AMD not so bad as Intel), if I am investing $500-$1000 in a PC then I want to know it will be properly cooled, just like I don't buy cheap no-name PSU's. I prefer quiet and cool to convenient and cheap.

Have Fun
Fungi

Thanks dear friend Fungi :) 
I hadn't considered the idea of using RAMdisk, you bring up an very interesting point, definitely I will give it a go with 16GB ram.
I agree, $20-$30 extra for better cooling isn't too much to pay for the peace of mind it brings (in addition to lower decibels!)

Also, short of putting everything together, where can I confirm that ASRock 970 Extreme4 mobo will work with my 1866MHz ram? The mobo site has quite a few not-so-easy-to-understand compatibility specifications.

Thanks once again Fungi and Thanatos for weighing in with your thoughts.

June 4, 2013 4:38:01 PM

UVB076 said:
What is your budget?

My budget is around $700.
In addition to the above list, I'm adding 1TB WD Cavier Blue HDD-$65, Rosewill Challenger-U3 case-$60 with Rosewill Stallion 500W psw-$50. I'm not too inclined on the internal optical drive (as I already one external optical drive).
I already have a monitor and keyboard. Might have to shell out few $s for wifi card, though.

The current build gets me to about $710. But I'm open to adding few $$s if it makes sense.
June 4, 2013 6:21:33 PM

listener011 said:
UVB076 said:
What is your budget?

My budget is around $700.
In addition to the above list, I'm adding 1TB WD Cavier Blue HDD-$65, Rosewill Challenger-U3 case-$60 with Rosewill Stallion 500W psw-$50. I'm not too inclined on the internal optical drive (as I already one external optical drive).
I already have a monitor and keyboard. Might have to shell out few $s for wifi card, though.

The current build gets me to about $710. But I'm open to adding few $$s if it makes sense.

Finally, people are starting to understand the pointlessness of optical drives.
June 4, 2013 6:24:16 PM

Also, here is an interesting idea that I applied to a computer for my brothers friend. Since he moves around with his data a lot and he just needs his desktop for video editing, he has an SSD in his desktop and just uses an external hard drive for all his things.
June 4, 2013 6:26:28 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Mushkin Redline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Extreme 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($104.95 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 5450 1GB Video Card ($27.99 @ Expansys US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($84.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK III 400W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($68.82 @ Amazon)
Total: $676.70
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-04 21:26 EDT-0400)

If you don't need the OS.
June 5, 2013 5:01:05 PM

UVB076 said:
Also, here is an interesting idea that I applied to a computer for my brothers friend. Since he moves around with his data a lot and he just needs his desktop for video editing, he has an SSD in his desktop and just uses an external hard drive for all his things.

Given the small capacity (128GB) SSD I intend to put, it won't let me install much on the system.
And I'm very uncomfortable about letting windows install stuff on external hdd.
The lowest priced HDD on newegg is still $55! So I might as well salvage an old HDD lying around the house.
June 5, 2013 5:05:34 PM


I like the PSU and case you recommended, esp. the case, its very functional.
As to video card... do you think 5450 will be able to handle 2 displays (not gaming, though) say both at 1920x1080?
June 10, 2013 3:42:03 PM

Yeah, just looking at things is not very intensive. Intel HD4000 can power 4K non-gaming so you're fine.
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