Confuse for my work requirements components? Need help here

ryantoss · Jun 4, 2013

Hello community

My English is not good so i will make it short and simple.

I did so many researches, try to get answer my self but still confuse for my computers.

I work for a architect company which utilize the use of
Autocad 2007 2D
3ds max 2009
3ds max 2013
photoshop CS2

1. Autocad 2007 2D: We use Intel E, some i3 + cheap VGA + Ram 2-4GB, i have a feeling that Intel HD is still fine for this job. Can anyone have suggestion for this choice?

2. 3ds max 2009: We use Core 2 duo, some machines have Core 2 quad + RAM 4GB for computing.

3. 3ds max 2013: We use i3 Sandy, i5 Sandy, VGA GT 220, RAM 8GB

4. Photoshop CS2: Photoshop were installed in all the machines.

5. Render: We have 2 computers at the moment

- i7 2600K + GT 440 + RAM 8GB
- FX-8350 + GT 9400 + RAM 8GB

Here is the image of our work

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We only do interior render at the moment, some viewport.

My questions are:

1. Does autocad 2007 2D only do 2 cores: thus i3 is the best here. What is the role of VGA in this work.

2. Does 3ds max 2009 + 2013 computing only do 2 cores ==> i3 is the best here. Does VGA for these computers have any role. I'm planing on switch these to Steamroller later. These computers will do small render, big render goes to render machine.

3. I see Fx-8350 render faster than i7-2600k. I dont know what is the role of VGA here. We dont do any animation.

Best regards, any reply is warmly welcome

bambiboom · Jun 5, 2013

ryantoss,

1. Does autocad 2007 2D only do 2 cores: thus i3 is the best here. What is the role of VGA in this work.

AutoCad 2007 is in 2D use, a single threaded- a one core application. So, if you are using an i3 dual core, the best will be the fastest clock speed (Intel Core i3-3240 @3.4GHz) > Autodesk programs especially use CUDA acceleration so a NVIDIA graphics card will be better than the integrated HD2500 graphics. Also, when you use integrated graphics, it shares- takes away from processing use- the system RAM memory, so the system will work faster if you use a separate graphics card. The older Quadro cards are very good in 2D and can run the special AutoCad drivers. These drivers may be downloaded from Autodesk >

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/index?siteID=123112&id=2334440&linkID=9240618#section6

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/syscert?siteID=123112&id=18844534&linkID=9240617

For the AutoCad 2007 system, I would suggest finding a good used Quadro 600, or for a new card, the Quadro K600 for your AutoCad 2007 computer.

2. Does 3ds max 2009 + 2013 computing only do 2 cores ==> i3 is the best here. Does VGA for these computers have any role. I'm planing on switch these to Steamroller later. These computers will do small render, big render goes to render machine.

The system using 3Ds max should be the best one. 3ds max is every year becoming far more multi-threaded than AutoCad, and and because of the 3D functions is also better with a higher clock speed. Important > 3ds max can use a different core for every viewport and all the cores for rendering. So, the more cores the better. In my opinion, the 3dsmax system will be improved if you change the i3 to an i5-3570K or i7-3770 4-core. This is to improve rendering, polygon recalculation (3D modeling), shadows- everything. Also, that system will benefit greatly from a Quadro card that is fast for 3D. A good used Quadro 2000 is about $150-175 on Ebay US. I should say that I have had very good luck buying used Quadro and used Intel Processors.

3. I see Fx-8350 render faster than i7-2600k. I dont know what is the role of VGA here. We dont do any animation.

Yes, the CPU is the most important piece and rendering is one of the few jobs that can use every core on the computer. So, the 8-core FX 8350 also working at a higher speed should be better than the i7-2600K. I would say that again, you can benefit from a Quadro graphics card so it can use the Quadro drivers, and that is very strong in 2D > a used Quadro FX 1800, a used Quadro 600, or for a new card, the Quadro K600.

Respectfully and best luck,

BambiBoom

ryantoss · Jun 5, 2013

bambiboom :

ryantoss,

1. Does autocad 2007 2D only do 2 cores: thus i3 is the best here. What is the role of VGA in this work.

AutoCad 2007 is in 2D use, a single threaded- a one core application. So, if you are using an i3 dual core, the best will be the fastest clock speed (Intel Core i3-3240 @3.4GHz) > Autodesk programs especially use CUDA acceleration so a NVIDIA graphics card will be better than the integrated HD2500 graphics. Also, when you use integrated graphics, it shares- takes away from processing use- the system RAM memory, so the system will work faster if you use a separate graphics card. The older Quadro cards are very good in 2D and can run the special AutoCad drivers. These drivers may be downloaded from Autodesk >

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/index?siteID=123112&id=2334440&linkID=9240618#section6

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/syscert?siteID=123112&id=18844534&linkID=9240617

For the AutoCad 2007 system, I would suggest finding a good used Quadro 600, or for a new card, the Quadro K600 for your AutoCad 2007 computer.

2. Does 3ds max 2009 + 2013 computing only do 2 cores ==> i3 is the best here. Does VGA for these computers have any role. I'm planing on switch these to Steamroller later. These computers will do small render, big render goes to render machine.

The system using 3Ds max should be the best one. 3ds max is every year becoming far more multi-threaded than AutoCad, and and because of the 3D functions is also better with a higher clock speed. Important > 3ds max can use a different core for every viewport and all the cores for rendering. So, the more cores the better. In my opinion, the 3dsmax system will be improved if you change the i3 to an i5-3570K or i7-3770 4-core. This is to improve rendering, polygon recalculation (3D modeling), shadows- everything. Also, that system will benefit greatly from a Quadro card that is fast for 3D. A good used Quadro 2000 is about $150-175 on Ebay US. I should say that I have had very good luck buying used Quadro and used Intel Processors.

3. I see Fx-8350 render faster than i7-2600k. I dont know what is the role of VGA here. We dont do any animation.

Yes, the CPU is the most important piece and rendering is one of the few jobs that can use every core on the computer. So, the 8-core FX 8350 also working at a higher speed should be better than the i7-2600K. I would say that again, you can benefit from a Quadro graphics card so it can use the Quadro drivers, and that is very strong in 2D > a used Quadro FX 1800, a used Quadro 600, or for a new card, the Quadro K600.

Respectfully and best luck,

BambiBoom

Thanks very much for your helpful post. Very helpful indeed.

I have some note here.

We do business so we take into account money concern as well...............

Can i have some small questions:

1. Does any card rather than Quadro have CUDA as well, Quadro in my country is pretty expansive thought.....

2. Are you sure Autocad 2007 can support CUDA since we only need autocad 2007

3. So you mean that Quadro card can greatly support my Render machine, how much percentages would you think they will improve?

Best regards, looking for your reply soon

bambiboom · Jun 5, 2013

ryantoss,

You wrote >

1. Does any card rather than Quadro have CUDA as well, Quadro in my country is pretty expansive thought.....

Yes, the NVIDIA GT and GTX cards also use CUDA processing. Actually, Quadro cards often the same components as GTX, but they are configured differently and use special drivers. The GTX speicalizes in high frame rates- they are fast for games while Quadro takes more time and makes every image higher quality- refined. It is the special Quadro drivers that provide most of the advantages.

2. Are you sure Autocad 2007 can support CUDA since we only need autocad 2007

Yes, AutoCad 2007 works better with more CUDA cores. I'm an architect / industrial designer and I've used AutoCad 2007 in my work for 5 years. In 2010 to save money, I changed the original Quadro FX 580 (512MB) to a GTX 285 (1BG)($350). The GTX 285 - which has the same 512- bit GPU and 240 CUDA cores as a Quadro FX 5800 ($3,300) but only 1GB RAM instead of 4GB. The results were terrible with the GTX- viewport problems, strange shadows, bizarre artifacts- whenever there a lot of complex forms- it looked as though it was raining short black lines! I changed to a Quadro FX 4800 (1.5GB, 192 CUDA cores) ($1,200 new, bought used for $150) and all my problems were solved. But the Quadro was a little slower in 3D navigation- moving around large 3D models.

3. So you mean that Quadro card can greatly support my Render machine, how much percentages would you think they will improve?

It;s difficult to say in percentage what the improvement can be, but I believe in this kind of work, the improvement in quality, reliability and freedom from strange behaviour and crashes make Quadros worthwhile. I tried to save money by using a GTX but I lost many hours of time with problems and dissatisfaction with quality. Yes, Quadros are expensive, but I found the GTX to be far more expensive in lost work time and frustration.

Is it possible for you to buy a used Quadro on Ebay US and import?

Cheers,

BambiBoom

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