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June 8, 2013 10:15:24 AM

Hey all,

Just about to go out and buy a system but had a graphics related question...not that it really matters price wise, I just want better performance!

My intended system specs:
CPU - i5-4670K
Mobo - ASRock Z87-EXTREME3
RAM - G.Skill Ripjaw (4Gx2)
Graphics - 2x Gigabyte 7970 OC
SSD - Kingston V300 60GB
HDD - Seagate 3.5" 2TB
External HDD - WD 3.5" 3TB
Case - Thermaltake Soprano
PSU - Corsair TX850W

Is it better for me to Crossfire the 7970s or get a single GTX 780?
Also someone in another thread mentioned that my SDD/HDD were trash, any better suggestions there since I've almost always used the cheapest offering...

Thanks,
Matt.

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June 8, 2013 10:17:20 AM

The 7970s would be stronger with raw compute power, but crossfire has microstutter issues so I would suggest going with the GTX780.

I am not recommending crossfire until AMD cleans up the problem with MS.
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June 8, 2013 10:37:18 AM

SSD issue: 60GB is small. You should get at least 120/128GB. Samsung 840 Pro 128GB is very fast and high quality.
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June 8, 2013 10:47:59 AM

vmem said:
lonewolf7 said:
I think GTX 690 is still better than a GTX 780 or 7970 as a single card.

http://www.hwcompare.com/14127/geforce-gtx-690-vs-gefor...

http://www.hwcompare.com/12666/geforce-gtx-690-vs-radeo...

If you are not low on funds get the GTX 690.


wouldn't he be better off getting a pair of 770s and go SLI? it outperforms 680s SLI, which is better than a 690. costs less too. "only" $800


Thanks for the responses guys...
Something like this is what I'm interested in as I'm not like "MUST GET CROSSFIRE 7970s!!!". I'm open to SLI for equally powerful cards.

http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf
^^ is the site I'm using to get my parts since it's the cheapest in Australia.
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June 8, 2013 10:48:21 AM

vmem said:
lonewolf7 said:
I think GTX 690 is still better than a GTX 780 or 7970 as a single card.

http://www.hwcompare.com/14127/geforce-gtx-690-vs-gefor...

http://www.hwcompare.com/12666/geforce-gtx-690-vs-radeo...

If you are not low on funds get the GTX 690.


wouldn't he be better off getting a pair of 770s and go SLI? it outperforms 680s SLI, which is better than a 690. costs less too. "only" $800


I agree. Getting a 690 is a bad decision, since it now uses outdated cards. If you want to get that, then wait until the 790 (or something similar) is released. Plus, dual 770's will outperform even a Titan in some cases, so you get fantastic gaming performance for $800-$900. If you go for that, I recommend the MSI Lightning 770.
Getting dual 770's performs similar to dual 7970 GHz Editions, but will outperform by a pretty large margin dual 7970's. Plus, the 770 has the highest memory clock of any card on the planet, so that's an upside towards the 7970.
Also, NVIDIA cards generally have much less problems with micro-stuttering and things of that nature, and their drivers for SLI are better than those from AMD.
Overall, you'd be best off SLI'ing 770's, and outperforming most things on the market with less issues than your original choice.
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June 8, 2013 10:53:01 AM

dannyboy2233 said:
vmem said:
lonewolf7 said:
I think GTX 690 is still better than a GTX 780 or 7970 as a single card.

http://www.hwcompare.com/14127/geforce-gtx-690-vs-gefor...

http://www.hwcompare.com/12666/geforce-gtx-690-vs-radeo...

If you are not low on funds get the GTX 690.


wouldn't he be better off getting a pair of 770s and go SLI? it outperforms 680s SLI, which is better than a 690. costs less too. "only" $800


I agree. Getting a 690 is a bad decision, since it now uses outdated cards. If you want to get that, then wait until the 790 (or something similar) is released. Plus, dual 770's will outperform even a Titan in some cases, so you get fantastic gaming performance for $800-$900. If you go for that, I recommend the MSI Lightning 770.
Getting dual 770's performs similar to dual 7970 GHz Editions, but will outperform by a pretty large margin dual 7970's. Plus, the 770 has the highest memory clock of any card on the planet, so that's an upside towards the 7970.
Also, NVIDIA cards generally have much less problems with micro-stuttering and things of that nature, and their drivers for SLI are better than those from AMD.
Overall, you'd be best off SLI'ing 770's, and outperforming most things on the market with less issues than your original choice.


Sweet answer man, thanks!
As I posted just above I'm using (http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf) for my parts which lists the 770 at $529 and the 7970 at $395 which confuses me...
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June 8, 2013 11:15:06 AM

If theres that big a price gap just get the 7970, the performance difference is negligible.
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June 8, 2013 12:01:03 PM

Just my 2 bits, the single GTX780 would be the wise move now for many reasons, most of them have been talked about here.
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June 8, 2013 12:01:21 PM

Matt Smiles said:

Sweet answer man, thanks!
As I posted just above I'm using (http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf) for my parts which lists the 770 at $529 and the 7970 at $395 which confuses me...


Aussie prices are always super inflated for Nvidia cards. yeah, just get the 7970s. gtx 770 is $400 in the U.S. >.<
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June 8, 2013 12:19:10 PM

endeavour37a said:
Just my 2 bits, the single GTX780 would be the wise move now for many reasons, most of them have been talked about here.


After reading on the fact Crossfire is really unreliable still I'm not even getting a Radeon card anymore.
Is there a comparison between the single GTX780 and the SLI 770s you know of (benchmark-wise)?
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June 8, 2013 12:23:05 PM

Matt Smiles said:
endeavour37a said:
Just my 2 bits, the single GTX780 would be the wise move now for many reasons, most of them have been talked about here.


After reading on the fact Crossfire is really unreliable still I'm not even getting a Radeon card anymore.
Is there a comparison between the single GTX780 and the SLI 770s you know of (benchmark-wise)?


here's the start of the multi GPU results from Tom's benchmarks. there are single GPU results earlier in that article if you want to compare.

I think all the points people have made are pretty evident in that article
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-770-gk1...
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June 8, 2013 12:44:44 PM

I am not trying to persuade you on what to get, honest, All I wanted to do let you know what I would recommend, you asked. But I guess I should explain why a bit.

On a new build I never recommend 2 video cards, just one. If you SLI from the start, what is your upgrade path, a 3rd card or change them out. So I always say get the card that will handle everything you can through at it for now, then in a year or so you can add another. 2 graphics cards is about all I would go in a system, 3 are too much power and heat. The only good reason to go SLI from the get go is if you are using 2/3 displays now.

Of course 2 770's have more horse power than a 780, no question there, but 2 780 later down the road will beat 3 770's as Nvidia does not scale so well 3 ways.

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June 8, 2013 12:58:48 PM

endeavour37a said:
I am not trying to persuade you on what to get, honest, All I wanted to do let you know what I would recommend, you asked. But I guess I should explain why a bit.

On a new build I never recommend 2 video cards, just one. If you SLI from the start, what is your upgrade path, a 3rd card or change them out. So I always say get the card that will handle everything you can through at it for now, then in a year or so you can add another. 2 graphics cards is about all I would go in a system, 3 are too much power and heat. The only good reason to go SLI from the get go is if you are using 2/3 displays now.

Of course 2 770's have more horse power than a 780, no question there, but 2 780 later down the road will beat 3 770's as Nvidia does not scale so well 3 ways.



To be honest I've never actually upgraded a system. I usually just buy an entirely new one as mine becomes obsolete... I'll have a look at that link provided in the post above yours.
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June 8, 2013 1:00:04 PM

Generally the rule of thumb is to get the best single card you can.
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June 8, 2013 1:01:52 PM

smeezekitty said:
Generally the rule of thumb is to get the best single card you can.


Which appears to be the gtx780, and it'll be much cheaper by the time I get round to buying a 2nd.
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June 8, 2013 1:05:43 PM

Matt Smiles said:
smeezekitty said:
Generally the rule of thumb is to get the best single card you can.


Which appears to be the gtx780, and it'll be much cheaper by the time I get round to buying a 2nd.


great rule of thumb, however don't count on the gtx780 getting much cheaper. Nvidia has gotten really good at pulling parts from the market to keep prices up and their margins high. if you look around you'll be hardpressed to find a gtx580 (the high-end card from 2 years ago). and the gtx680 is being discontinued now that the 770 is out, and it fell all of $50 for the 1 year or so the 680 has been on the market. I would keep an eye on gtx 780 availability if you get one and plan on doing SLI later
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June 8, 2013 1:15:59 PM

vmem said:
Matt Smiles said:
smeezekitty said:
Generally the rule of thumb is to get the best single card you can.


Which appears to be the gtx780, and it'll be much cheaper by the time I get round to buying a 2nd.


great rule of thumb, however don't count on the gtx780 getting much cheaper. Nvidia has gotten really good at pulling parts from the market to keep prices up and their margins high. if you look around you'll be hardpressed to find a gtx580 (the high-end card from 2 years ago). and the gtx680 is being discontinued now that the 770 is out, and it fell all of $50 for the 1 year or so the 680 has been on the market. I would keep an eye on gtx 780 availability if you get one and plan on doing SLI later


Also a valid point....
But now from my viewpoint if I bought the cards at current prices...
3GB 780GTX = $819, 2x 2GB 770GTX = $1060 ($240 difference)
And your mention of prices not really dropping in recent years means I should just buy something good and stick with it rather than buying another in 2 years since I won't save too much money either way.
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June 8, 2013 1:19:24 PM

smeezekitty said:
Generally the rule of thumb is to get the best single card you can.


Absolutely !
They may not be much cheaper when the 800 series come out, but that is fine, it will be just 1 thing instead of a whole system and easier to save for. I hear they OC very close to a Titan, that is nice, and you get 3GB of mem, yet I see the 4GB 770's are announced already. but I think a 3GB card works fine.

edit: 770 and 780 are ~$400 and $650 respectively ?
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June 8, 2013 1:23:00 PM

endeavour37a said:
smeezekitty said:
Generally the rule of thumb is to get the best single card you can.


Absolutely !
They may not be much cheaper when the 800 series come out, but that is fine, it will be just 1 thing instead of a whole system and easier to save for. I hear they OC very close to a Titan, that is nice, and you get 3GB of mem, yet I see the 4GB 770's are announced already. but I think a 3GB card works fine.



Yeah I'm just gonna fork out the money and do the 770 SLI. Chances are I won't upgrade and will have grown out of gaming once this system goes out of date haha
I know this is one of the basic questions and I apologise.. but it doesn't matter too much that the 770 cards are only 2GB of memory right?
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June 8, 2013 1:24:59 PM

It should only matter much if you are doing 3x monitors, and even then, only in a handful of games. Lowing AA will fix the problem in all the cases I've seen. Skyrim modding can also cause problems.
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June 8, 2013 1:26:44 PM

Matt Smiles said:
endeavour37a said:
smeezekitty said:
Generally the rule of thumb is to get the best single card you can.


Absolutely !
They may not be much cheaper when the 800 series come out, but that is fine, it will be just 1 thing instead of a whole system and easier to save for. I hear they OC very close to a Titan, that is nice, and you get 3GB of mem, yet I see the 4GB 770's are announced already. but I think a 3GB card works fine.



Yeah I'm just gonna fork out the money and do the 770 SLI. Chances are I won't upgrade and will have grown out of gaming once this system goes out of date haha
I know this is one of the basic questions and I apologise.. but it doesn't matter too much that the 770 cards are only 2GB of memory right?


How many displays?

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June 8, 2013 1:28:04 PM

endeavour37a said:
Matt Smiles said:
endeavour37a said:
smeezekitty said:
Generally the rule of thumb is to get the best single card you can.


Absolutely !
They may not be much cheaper when the 800 series come out, but that is fine, it will be just 1 thing instead of a whole system and easier to save for. I hear they OC very close to a Titan, that is nice, and you get 3GB of mem, yet I see the 4GB 770's are announced already. but I think a 3GB card works fine.



Yeah I'm just gonna fork out the money and do the 770 SLI. Chances are I won't upgrade and will have grown out of gaming once this system goes out of date haha
I know this is one of the basic questions and I apologise.. but it doesn't matter too much that the 770 cards are only 2GB of memory right?


How many displays?



27" and a 24"
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June 8, 2013 1:29:36 PM

What res? 1920x1080 each?
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June 8, 2013 1:30:09 PM

With 3 I think the 4GB cards would be better, but with 2 I really don't know, perhaps someone could answer better than me.... :) 

I am wondering now, if you get a 2GB and 4GB cards would all the memory be used?
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June 8, 2013 1:37:16 PM

smeezekitty said:
What res? 1920x1080 each?


Yeah, both will be running games/movies
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June 8, 2013 1:39:37 PM

endeavour37a said:
With 3 I think the 4GB cards would be better, but with 2 I really don't know, perhaps someone could answer better than me.... :) 

I am wondering now, if you get a 2GB and 4GB cards would all the memory be used?


In any case its an extra $200 and 40-50% performance over the 780, and going on the past I'd never get a 2nd 780 so may as well spend it on technology before i spend it on food or booze :) 
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June 8, 2013 1:43:50 PM

Matt Smiles said:
endeavour37a said:
With 3 I think the 4GB cards would be better, but with 2 I really don't know, perhaps someone could answer better than me.... :) 

I am wondering now, if you get a 2GB and 4GB cards would all the memory be used?


In any case its an extra $200 and 40-50% performance over the 780, and going on the past I'd never get a 2nd 780 so may as well spend it on technology before i spend it on food or booze :) 


When George Burns was asked "What did you do with all of your money?", he replied "Well, I spent most of it on women and boozes, the rest I just pissed away". :) 
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June 8, 2013 1:57:14 PM

If you won't be gaming across both monitors at the same time, 2GB is plenty.
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June 8, 2013 1:57:30 PM

Thanks for the answers guys, I'm no tech guru, just wanted a system that'll last years and give lots of grunt for that time! Have a good day/night.
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July 16, 2013 6:11:17 PM

Hey don't listen to the people saying get 770s SLI. Get a single GTX 780. Performs like a Titan, at 400 dollars cheaper. $640 for the 780. Don't SLI unless you plan to game on 2 or more monitors. 1 monitor at 1080p or 1440p, get a GTX 780. SLI Later if it still doesn't fulfill your needs. I am thinking about having the same CPU, and MoBo as you. I personally would go for the GTX 780. It will max out games at 1440p at around 60fps for years to come. The Radeon 7970 runs Crysis 3 at Very High(Highest Settings) at around 60 fps. It runs Metro Last Light at around 38 to 39 fps on highest settings. My opinion: If you are going to be gaming everyday hardcore, get a 780. If you game 1 monitor 1080p or 1440p, 60fps, get a 7970. I am personally getting 1 GTX 780 because I will be playing GPU intensive games like DayZ, Arma 3, Crysis 3, Metro Last Light, Battlefield 3, and when BF4 comes out, that too. I know there is no 'future proof' but I'd like to think so. The 780 will last 3 or 4 years overclocked, and by then, better cards will come out. If you continue to wait on better cards, you will wait forever. There will always be a better card.
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