Advice for new gaming monitor

KingsGambit

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Hi all, Over the years I've frequently landed on this site while researching tech troubles and questions, and now have one of my own. I'm in the market for a new monitor (after my current 22" Samsung gave up) and after several days of scouring the web and finding few straight answers or at least, ones relevant to me specificaly, I'm hoping those with knowledge of current models and offerings could advise me.

I'm looking for something between 22"-24" whose primary use will be gaming (any other purpose is a distant second in the case of a compromise). Price is not an issue, I will gladly pay for performance & quality (NB: I am a consumer, not a professional). It will eventually be paired with a GTX780 if and when nVidia ever release it. I'd like 1920x1080 res minimum.

I have no other particular requirements, with no preference of aspect ratio, make, viewing angle, power consumption, etc. In short, I would like the best 22"-24" gaming monitor available and would welcome any advice, objective or subjective.
 
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Pleasure :) The second Eizo (Foris FS2331) would be an excellent choice. If my monitor died today, I'd immediately buy one of those. If you're in the UK, you can get one here:

http://www.waeplus.co.uk/item/288279/Eizo-23-L-FS2331-BK-------------A%2BD-S-T5

I've never...

dannyboy2233

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Unless this is too expensive, I recommend the Asus PA248Q. For ~$300, it has a 1920x1200 display, as well as an IPS display; if you do not know what IPS is, it's In-Plane-Switching, and it simply means that the monitor has a larger viewing angle, and the colors are much better.
Also, the GTX 780 was released about a week ago, as well as the GTX 770...
In terms of Dell, I think the U2412M is the best PQR (price-quality ratio) 24" monitor. It has similar specs as the aforementioned monitor, similar price, except simply from a different company.
The Dell U2413 is a $600 24" monitor; similar specs as the previous ones, except that it has fantastic color; better than the monitors mentioned before. However, I don't know if that's in your price range.
If it is, then I might recommend simply getting a 27", 2560x1440 for $100 more; you get a much better monitor for the money. A friend of mine recently bought the Dell U2413HM (specs as just stated) and it is a spectacular monitor for everything; gaming, and anything else you could want to do... It really depends whether you have room, or if there are other hindrances in your setup. :)
 
Good advice there. I'd just take it one step further and recommend PLS. It's basically Samsung's implementation of IPS (so it's primarily Samsung monitors that feature it, though there are others too) and delivers the same benefits of IPS combined with (generally) less motion blur. Not that response is particularly bad with IPS, but it's even better with PLS. Asus have a PLS monitor (PB278Q) but it's not cheap. For an exceptional 27" 1440p display though, it's an excellent choice to really see what your GTX780 is capable of. If you'd prefer something cheaper, there are several Samsung 22-24" models with PLS panels.
 

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I haven't heard much about that; however, it seems great. I have had a lot of experience with Dell and Asus monitors (and always loved them) so that is why I recommended specifically those monitors. I have no idea how Samsung monitors perform. However, if they perform similarly to Asus and Dell monitors, then it's great :)
 
Well I'd take an Asus over a Samsung, but Samsung have the best panel technologies (PVA, PLS). If you want to read more about PLS, TFT Central have reviewed a few and have some useful info on the technology. It's a brilliant monitor review site in general actually, worth a look.
 

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Thanks for the above tips. Regrettably 27" is too big for my space, which was also the overriding deciding factor in purchasing my recently departed 22" Samsung way back when. 24" monitors I've now noticed however are physically smaller than their predecessors thanks to smaller bezels.

To be honest, part of the reason I wanted to ask for advice was that since I haven't had to buy a monitor in so long, I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the developments. TN, IPS, PLS, PVA, LED, CCFL and the list goes on. I don't really know what any of these represent.

I didn't know about the release for GeForce 7 series till this thread (so many thanks for that news! I've been waiting so long for it, it came as quite a surprise), and also noticed Haswell is out too. Guess I'll be building an entirely new (and very long overdue) gaming rig along with needing a new monitor. I guess the main things will be fastest refresh rates, response times, contrast, anything to avoid ghosting, blur, backlight bleeding and anything affecting games rendering. Is 120Hz the way to go now? Or is that only for 3D (for which I have little interest)?
 
Most of those abbreviations refer to panel types. All TFT panels belong to those types pretty much.

TN is your basic cheap and nasty (huge colour shift / bad viewing angles*, bad colour accuracy, poor contrast ratios, basically bad colour). Its one saving grace is speed - not all TNs are fast but the fastest monitors generally use TN panels.

IPS fixes the colour shift / viewing angles and colour accuracy of TN, while generally losing a little responsiveness (but barely anything - not that noticeable) and still suffering poor contrast (like TN, they really struggle to achieve deep blacks or any real dark colour, with those shades shifted more into grey).

Like I mentioned before, PLS is Samsung's implementation of IPS and achieves everything IPS achieves while also delivering very fast response (faster infact than most TNs from the high-speed photography comparisons I've seen on TFT Central). It still suffers from poor contrast though. Probably the best all-round current panel technology.

Emphasis on current because PVA (another Samsung panel tech) is my personal preference, though they're rarely used any more. The best PVA models were a couple of years ago (such as the Eizo Foris FS2331, which can now be had for an excellent price, though being an Eizo, was stupidly expensive when it launched). PVA delivers better colour accuracy, viewing angles and colour shift than TN, though not quite as good as IPS or PLS. It's also generally the slowest for response times (though I don't notice any blur while gaming - only during very slow, smooth, steady motions which is usually cutscenes - e.g. a camera panning across a scene). When you're actually playing, no blur is noticeable. Reason I love PVA is it's the only panel type that comes anywhere near CRT for depth of blacks. If you hate the way almost all TFTs show blacks as grey, PVA is the way to go.

And finally you've got MVA / AMVA. MVA is an older panel tech, and AMVA is supposedly an improved version that combines the best aspects of PVA with the speed of TN. I bought one recently and it actually combines the worst aspects of TN with the slower response of PVA - totally pointless tech.

So that's your panel types! I love PVA, but there is some loss of colour accuracy compared to IPS and PLS (though I'd argue that dark colours and true blacks are so important that IPS and PLS lose true colour accuracy in that regard) and it's also not the fastest. If you're most interested in speed and accuracy at the expense of deep blacks, PLS is the way to go (any non-PVA panel will sacrifice blacks). And LED and CCFL are just backlighting tech - most modern panels use LED backlighting which helps the environment, but not much other benefit really. For the widest colour gamuts, RGB LEDs are the best thing available, but they're for graphics professionals - very expensive (£800+ for a 24"er) models.

And as for 120Hz displays, if you decide to put speed above everything else and choose TN then you should absolutely get a 120Hz display. No need to use it for 3D - just benefit from the speed. A 60Hz TN panel is the most pointless choice imaginable (unless it's due to a severely limited budget I suppose). Hope that helps :)

* with viewing angles by the way, it's not just about people at your side being able to see clearly. It's also about vertical viewing angle and the colour shift as your straighten up in your chair or slouch down - you'll see colour become stronger/weaker and detail appear/disappear depending on how high your eye level is relative to the screen. You'll have strong colour with some loss of detail (at eye level) or clearer detail but washed out colour (away from eye level). So viewing angles relate directly to colour shift and will affect you personally.
 

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My god... that's what I call an explanation! :D
 

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Thank you for that incredibly informative post. I feel like I'm almost caught up to this decade. :) In addition to the monitors suggested above, I wondered if I might impose for a last favour and get opinions on the following:

- I picked up that Eizo was a good make, and spotted these FORIS monitors on their site.
- The BenQ XL2420T seems aimed at games.
- The LG W2486L appears to have pretty good specs.

Are any of these suitable contenders?
 


Pleasure :) The second Eizo (Foris FS2331) would be an excellent choice. If my monitor died today, I'd immediately buy one of those. If you're in the UK, you can get one here:

http://www.waeplus.co.uk/item/288279/Eizo-23-L-FS2331-BK-------------A%2BD-S-T5

I've never used this retailer, but they're fairly well reviewed. And Eizo are indeed excellent by the way - second only to Lacie really (and with Lacie you're looking at £800+ for a 24"er).

The BenQ has an excellent review at http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_xl2420t.htm

Pretty respectable contrast ratio (by TN standards) as long as you use the right presets (horrible contrast ratios on some presets). Colour accuracy is bad, but can be corrected to a decent level if you thoroughly calibrate the screen. Luminance uniformity is bad, though there's no backlight bleed at least. Responsiveness is excellent (you're probably best actually not using the AMA feature and just using 'natural' 120Hz mode).

Not sure about that LG you linked - what appealed about it? I think it's a 60Hz TN panel, so not really much there to recommend it.

The Asus ML239H is another excellent option for quality colour with almost no blur, or any 5ms-rated PLS panel.
 
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Get the BENQXL2410T it's a 120hz monitor and it's fucking fantastic. I've been using it for quite a long time and they're going cheap now for around $150.00 for a beautiful monitor. Or you can throw away another $100.00 for ASUS's 144hz LCD 24".

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KingsGambit

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This thread has given me a lot of food for thought, my choice is that much harder now! :) I was thinking of that Eizo IPS screen (IPS with 3.4ms response time!) but will check reviews of the VA one too. The BenQ and Asus suggestions are also noted and will get some serious consideration.

It's a shame no one has combined the superior panel technologies with the faster refresh rates and response times into an undisputed top gaming screen. We can buy graphics cards and processors without compromising, but every screen choice seems to trade one thing for another.

My sincere thanks for all the great advice, and to sam p for the amazingly helpful information and guidance.

PS. I made the mistake of ordering from WAE+ last February. The SSD listed as in stock with 3-5 day delivery didn't materialise for 2 weeks. After a series of weekly calls to cust. serv., none of whom would do anything more than assure me "someone" was on the case, I asked for a refund after 2 months which itself, took a month to be processed. I still cannot understand how something held by a supplier on the continent counts as "In Stock" with them but I'll never shop with them again.
 
You're totally correct about the compromise - no panel tech ticks every box. For that, you need a CRT! It's a real shame we can't get 16:9 ratio high quality CRTs. Maybe we can have perfection when AMOLED is less than £2000 for a 17"er :) Certainly no TFT can do it though - months of research and years of purchases/returns have shown me that!

Thanks for sharing your WAE+ experience - it's really useful to know about retailers you're considering but never tried, so not sure about. It's the only place I can find that still stocks that Eizo, so I may have to re-think my replacement candidate for this monitor.

Just one point about the XL2410T that was recommended - it performs quite well in reviews in terms of responsiveness, but you can see a comparison with the XL2420T on TFT Central and the 2420 is far faster. If they're comparably-priced, the 2420 would be a smarter choice.

Hope you enjoy your purchase :)
 

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I think I'm going to go with the Eizo FS2333. From all the reviews it is the fastest IPS screen available, the brand is known for being highest quality and it has all the inputs I could want. It's 1" bigger than my old screen, has height adjustment and a 5 year warranty. I'm a little wary at passing up the TN displays with 1ms/120Hz, but I'm willing to take a chance on this one which, for all I've read, seems to be the best IPS monitor for gaming.

I was disappointed by WAE, most of all because even in the face of a 2 month delay for an item marked as "In Stock", they wouldn't do a thing about it. I called week on week for 2 months with every call the same. The website lied, their cust. serv. lied multiple times despite evidence to the contrary and they proceeded to keep my money for a further 30 days before refunding it. Possibly the worst e-tailer I've ever dealt with.

It's funny how technologies like plasma screens, CRTs and AMOLED which would all be ideal for gaming are none of them available in the size or form factor gamers want. I hope that years from now when I next need to buy a monitor, the Eizo VA screen noted earlier or its like can be had with super response times and 120MHz refresh rates. I'd be very happy indeed.
 
I think you've made an excellent choice there. I couldn't imagine buying any TN personally, though I can definitely see the benefits of 120Hz. Even so, I'd do as you did I think I think and find the fastest IPS/PLS I could from a quality manufacturer. Since WAE+ is clearly best avoided, I'll let the FS2331 and PVAs in general fade into history :) The blacks with PVA are stunning, but IPS/PLS are the strongest all-round.

Agreed about AMOLED etc - I actually stuck with my CRT for years (it was an absolutely incredible quality CRT and I wasn't satisfied to keep any of the TFTs I bought) in the hope that I could skip TFT straight to AMOLED (or FED/SED - it wasn't clear at the time that AMOLED was the direction the industry would take). With PVA, IPS and PLS though, TFTs have become MUCH better than they were before. Let me know how you get on with the Eizo!