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June 8, 2013 3:19:28 PM

I have a copy of windows 8, moniter , mouse , keyboard and case and Hdd.

My budget is £340 but I am willing to push to £370 for the rig below. I have never built a PC from scratch and haven't had A gaming Pc for years so I don't know wha tthe best components are really.

Looking to build to build it for the DayZ stand alone and Solidworks.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BU...

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- CPU: AMD Richland A10-6800K 4.1GHz (4.4GHz Turbo) Quad Core APU with HD 8670D Graphics
- Motherboard: AMD A55 Micro ATX Motherboard
- RAM: 8 GB DDR3 1600MHz Memory hyper -x

£213.00

Gpu
XFX Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-fx785acn...

£141.62

PSU
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ALPINE-RED-550W-POWER-SUP...
£16.75

Total: £375

This is the very maximum I can push too, so any changes would have to be £375 or less.

Sorry if I have broken any rules, first time poster.


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June 8, 2013 3:27:31 PM

not sure why you'd buy a richland when you're getting a 7850... you'd be better off with an Athlon II x4 750, or a Phenom II x4 965... both will come in much less then that richland. Furthermore, A55 chipset motherboards are not gaming or enthusiast motherboards, they're cheap junk for the most part. You can't even overclock with one, and i would never suggest someone put a 100W chip into one.

Take the saved cash from swapping to the Phenom II and put a little of it toward a better AM3+ mb...

Finally, get a corsair, antec or seasonic psu... a bad psu can ruin your whole computer.
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June 8, 2013 5:02:42 PM

Something like this?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (£83.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£32.91 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£47.98 @ Dabs)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card (£139.00 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£49.94 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £353.82
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-09 01:02 BST+0100)

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June 8, 2013 6:13:12 PM

X79 said:
Something like this?
CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (£83.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£32.91 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£47.98 @ Dabs)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card (£139.00 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£49.94 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £353.82


:love:  Ok, that looks amazing. Would it be worth me pushing it another £10-20 pounds on the mother board to give more upgrade potential ?

Thank you x79
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June 8, 2013 6:38:21 PM

Hahaha, well I'm pleased you think so.

Getting some good components you can expand upon later is always good.

This motherboard is a little more expensive:

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-970ag46

And would put the total hardware cost at 387£

It's an ATX board, so you already get more options there.

Supports more memory, as well as higher frequency memory (aim for 1600Mhz) and

lastly also CrossFire X (CF). Heck, even has SLI support if you want an Nvidia card.

This board is also good and perhaps doesn't have as high a likelihood of getting

some kind of VRM issue:

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-m5a97r...

Puts the build cost at 390£ unfortunately. However if you read this:

http://bestmotherboardreview.com/blog/category/best-am3...

You might start to think it's worth it.

So perhaps this instead:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (£83.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£54.50 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£47.98 @ Dabs)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card (£139.00 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£49.94 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £375.41
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-09 02:31 BST+0100)

Placing it right on the 375£ marker. Still an ATX board.


EDIT: Here's a review of the MSI 970A-G46

http://www.chiploco.com/msi-970a-g46-am3-motherboard-pr...

I didn't know if you'd want to OC or not, but it'll be pretty important information if you do.

It still needs to be discussed which board will be the best for you.

Lastly, the 2GB version of the 7850 you found would be good, if it were possible to fit in.
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June 8, 2013 8:09:53 PM

if you can squeeze it into your budget get an Asus M5A97 R2.0; that board has a 8+2 power phase design and apparently is a solid overclocker if you're on a budget.

Other then that, love the build... you got a lot out of your cash.
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June 9, 2013 5:25:07 AM

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if you can squeeze it into your budget get an Asus M5A97 R2.0; that board has a 8+2 power phase design and apparently is a solid overclocker if you're on a budget.

Other then that, love the build... you got a lot out of your cash.


I don't know if you checked or not, but that's actually one of the ones I've put forth ^^.
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June 9, 2013 5:53:59 AM

TBH my budget for a Gaming laptop was £400 until I realized I was not going to get much bang for my buck and I was hoping to build a desktop for cheaper, but I would defiantly push to that to future proof the system.

Overclocking would interest me but not at a huge detriment to the life span of the system.

Is there a big difference between the
Asus M5A97 R2.0 LE and the Asus M5A97 R2.0 EVO ?

And yes I probably will push the each £3 for the 2gb card.

This is starting to really excite me now , thank you so much for your help. You did in 2 hours what I failed to do in 3 days lol !!!!

Im gonna have a shop around and see if I can pick any of these up cheaper.



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June 9, 2013 7:00:35 AM

Would seem that you get more "goodness" with the Evo one perhaps.

http://uk.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM3Plus/M5A97_EVO_R...

Scroll down to the bottom. Things like Q Design and 7.1 sound don't seem to be included in the

LE:

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M5A97_LE_R20/

So if I had to make a guess, it seems the LE is the more cut down version of the Evo.

Still good though.


400£ eh? Well then... I took the liberty of adding the motherboard from the last post

that put the build at 390£ and then I tried to squeeze in an even better GPU:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (£83.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£69.71 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£47.98 @ Dabs)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card (£164.99 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£49.94 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £416.61
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-09 14:58 BST+0100)

Ha! I think I'd better stop soon... It's probably not worth it. Since the 7850 can be OC'd.

Ha you can get a GTX 660! Though it's pretty even with the 7850. There is the "GeForce" experience though.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (£83.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£69.71 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£47.98 @ Dabs)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card (£142.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£59.99 @ Aria PC)
Total: £404.66
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-09 15:04 BST+0100)

Check this benchmark:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU13/583

GTX 660 gets more FPS. I don't know how that would play out in Day Z though.

Oh and you're welcome. That's how we roll on these forums.
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June 9, 2013 7:17:55 AM

Matthew Mannion said:
Is there a big difference between the
Asus M5A97 R2.0 LE and the Asus M5A97 R2.0 EVO ?


YES - The LE has no mosfet heatsinks for one, i also think they cut down the VRMs a bit too from 8+2 to 6+1 or something like that... it's basically really cut down to the bare bones, and i wouldn't suggest it for overclocking. The EVO is a better overclocking board then the base m5a97 R2.0, however i rarely see them less then the 990FXA-UD3 from Gigabyte, which is about the best <$130 overclocking MB for the FX series out there; so if you're gonna drop the money on the Evo you might as well step it up and drop the cash on that great board from gigabyte. That's why i was suggesting the middle of the road option the base M5A97 R2.0... good overclocker, good price.




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June 9, 2013 7:18:19 AM

I have to keep it sub £400 as that's all I have in the bank.

Id be happy to stick with the

fx 6300
Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard

What is the best sub £140 card ? , Does having 2gb make a huge difference ??




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June 9, 2013 7:40:28 AM

Matthew Mannion said:
Would you trust saphire or power cooler 7870's if I could get one for under £140 ?


meh... both companies are meh to me. Sapphire is one of the most up and down companies for quality i've seen... sometimes on the exact same product line. Almost like they have little to no quality control.

and i won't get into my experience with powercolor's customer support.

that said, sapphire and powercolor both will produce some real gems... a 7870 is roughly equivalent to a 660 on the nvidia side... the 660 will be faster at stock speeds, but the 7870 really overclocks well, and will actually match a 660ti when overclocked.
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June 9, 2013 7:48:10 AM

Hm I found something...

http://jonpeddie.com/reviews/comments/arma-2-review-a-t...

Arma2 is apparently pretty CPU bound. So focus should lie there, instead of the GPU.

Also the requirements:

http://support.dayzmod.com/knowledgebase.php?action=dis...


So I came up with this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£167.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI ZH77A-G43 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£66.12 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£47.98 @ Dabs)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card (£99.98 @ Novatech)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£49.94 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £432.01
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-09 15:27 BST+0100)

The CPU can be OC'd if needed as well and the GPU can be upgraded at a later date if/when needed.

Buuuuut... All that OC'ing requires cooling and that's bad for budgets; much like windows is.

I'm just putting all these builds out for you to see though. Here's another:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£159.59 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI ZH77A-G43 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£66.12 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£47.98 @ Dabs)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost 1GB Video Card (£131.48 @ Dabs)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£49.94 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £455.11
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-09 15:32 BST+0100)

The GPU is practically a GTX 660 and the CPU can't be OC'd much.

But of course, with respect for your budget, here's a different build yet again:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£159.59 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI ZH77A-G43 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£66.12 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£47.98 @ Dabs)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card (£81.99 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£49.94 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £405.62
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-09 15:41 BST+0100)

That GPU performs better than a GTX 650 (not Ti or Boost versions though). If you put a 1GB Ti in, the

price will end up at 423£


Or an AMD build, with one of their best gaming CPUs:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor (£151.93 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£69.71 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£47.98 @ Dabs)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card (£99.98 @ Novatech)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£49.94 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £419.54
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-09 15:54 BST+0100)
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June 9, 2013 7:53:30 AM

Matthew Mannion said:
Would you trust saphire or power cooler 7870's if I could get one for under £140 ?


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Matthew Mannion said:
Would you trust saphire or power cooler 7870's if I could get one for under £140 ?


meh... both companies are meh to me. Sapphire is one of the most up and down companies for quality i've seen... sometimes on the exact same product line. Almost like they have little to no quality control.

and i won't get into my experience with powercolor's customer support.

that said, sapphire and powercolor both will produce some real gems... a 7870 is roughly equivalent to a 660 on the nvidia side... the 660 will be faster at stock speeds, but the 7870 really overclocks well, and will actually match a 660ti when overclocked.


Sapphire is quite trust-able. I won't say anything about Powercolor as I don't have any experience with their cards.
You can even go for something like Gigabyte or MSI if you can.
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June 9, 2013 7:55:48 AM

that's a 2 year old article... and an aggressively overclocked fx6300 dissolves the single core advantage of the i5 (actually all the piledriver FX series will do this once you get up to around 4.8ghz the IPC of the FX is almost identical to the Intel chip at stock, and 4.8 is about the average overclock you'll hit on an FX with air, those chips love to overclock)...

the overclock performance of piledriver is why the fx6300 has been a favorite of enthusiasts on a budget since it came out. the price is too good to ignore, and with a little investment in a solid motherboard you can walk them right through 5ghz and match an out of the box i5 for less... and straight up pace an overclocked i5 in multithreaded tasks.
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June 9, 2013 8:01:04 AM

ingtar33 said:
that's a 2 year old article... and an aggressively overclocked fx6300 dissolves the single core advantage of the i5 (actually all the piledriver FX series will do this once you get up to around 4.8ghz the IPC of the FX is almost identical to the Intel chip at stock, and 4.8 is about the average overclock you'll hit on an FX with air, those chips love to overclock)


What do you mean by single core?
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June 9, 2013 8:11:36 AM

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ingtar33 said:
that's a 2 year old article... and an aggressively overclocked fx6300 dissolves the single core advantage of the i5 (actually all the piledriver FX series will do this once you get up to around 4.8ghz the IPC of the FX is almost identical to the Intel chip at stock, and 4.8 is about the average overclock you'll hit on an FX with air, those chips love to overclock)


What do you mean by single core?


The difference between intel and amd chips is their single core IPC (instructions per cycle)... intel gets about 30%-40% better instructions per cycle clocked at the same ghz as an amd chip... the result is in single threaded tasks (tasks that use 1 core) intel chips tend to be about 30-40% faster then an AMD chip when both are clocked to the same speed.

AMD overcomes this disadvantage in 2 ways.

1) more cores - a 6 core FX chip will sport about 20% better performance at the same clock speed as an intel i5 in multithreaded tasks (tasks that use multiple cores), and basically pace the i7 with HT.

2) cheaper prices - you can get a LOT of performance out of a 6300 for less money then any i5 or even i3 can be had. Since the piledriver FX overclocks so well (the fx 6300 for example is a very cool and energy efficient 6 core in the grand scheme of things) you can usually give it a 30%-40% boost in IPC through the overclock, needed to close the distance with a core i cpu... the result is you end up with a 6 core cpu that will run circles around any i3, and most i5s and i7s... the k series are a different story. once you overclock a K series intel the fx6300 will only hold an advantage in multithreaded tasks... as that pesky IPC issue will pop up again.

that said, you won't be able to tell the difference between a stock fx6300 and a stock i3/i5/i7 in 99% of your daily computing tasks. And if the fx6300 is overclocked... it's doubtful you'll ever be able to tell the difference with the i5 in the other 1% of tasks unless you like to use a stopwatch when unzipping gb sized files~
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June 9, 2013 8:28:28 AM

Radeon HD 7870 Tahiti LE OC 2GB GDDR5 VTX3D (7950 chip) Black Edition ?

Im bidding on this now, hopefully I cna get it within my price range

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June 9, 2013 9:30:06 AM

is it a big no no to buy second hand Ram and Gpu's ?
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June 9, 2013 9:38:17 AM

Well if you have no other choice...

If you get some kind of warranty then it maaay not be too bad.

But if something goes bad, then I guess it's a bit like "you get what you pay for".

I'd think it was worse with a second hand PSU, since that can fry everything if it's bad.
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June 9, 2013 10:01:17 AM

Would be pretty good.

Mushkin is also a reputable brand.
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June 9, 2013 10:16:50 AM

I'm gonna see if I can get some RAM second hand and maybe A Gpu if I can find one in good condition. These are what I will be most likely able to afford to improve in the future .

Then I can put my money on the Motherboard and Processor.

Thank you again you have been a massive help.
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June 9, 2013 10:25:34 AM

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Alright.

I guess you solved it yourself then! ^^

Feel free to ask on these forums or PM me if there's anything else.

Take care.
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June 11, 2013 5:06:54 AM

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Alright.

I guess you solved it yourself then! ^^

Feel free to ask on these forums or PM me if there's anything else.

Take care.


Ok I have brought
Kingston xms 1600mhz 2x8 gb for. 38
saphire 8758 2gb over clock edition . 122
The above psu - 48

That leaves 192 for mobo and cpu

Should I go with the gigabyte ud3 or asus evo 2.0 with a fx 6300 or one of the more basic mobos and try to squeeze in an fx-8 series??
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June 11, 2013 5:18:04 AM

Well it's not so good to cheap out on things, so I'd go for whatever puts

everything in most balance. I'd stick with Asus, as they're one of the best motherboard makers

and get the FX 6300.
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