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Need help overclocking Kingston HyperX 1600 KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX in my gaming rig

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June 8, 2013 6:55:01 PM

I have 2 sets of Kingston KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX memory installed for a total of 16GB in my ASUS F2A85-V PRO motherboard. I've never tried overclocking memory....so this is my first time.

Kingston HyperX 8GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 CL9 Desktop Memory Models

Does anyone have experience overclocking this particular Kingston 1600 memory? It would be nice to know the highest stable settings rather than trying to do it from scratch.

Can I expect a reasonably good improvement over the base 1600?
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June 8, 2013 7:21:13 PM

In BIOS are you using the DOCP profile now? bios>>ai tweaker>>ai oc tuner>>DOCP
save changes & see if you can boot. If not reset default settings. You can enter values manually on your board but it is way too detailed as to what will work vs hurt.
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June 8, 2013 7:35:14 PM

Its widely agreed that going beyond 1600mhz provides little if any noticeable benefit. I had OCed my memory from 1600 to 2133 and noticed only a very small benefit to app load times.

It also corrupted my OS twice due to my stupidity. I'd suggest backing up your PC and creating a rescue disc. I like Macrium Reflect Free for this. MR will guide you in creating a rescue disc.

Additionally, I suggest 3 passes on memtest to get a rough idea of ram stability, 5+ to ensure stability before you ever boot into the OS.

Being that your memory is already rated at 1.65v, I don't think you have much room to increase voltage, which will probably be your limiting factor. I'd start with around 10-11-10-30 1N 1833mhz. If, after some tinkering, that's a no go, I'd just stick with 1600mhz and try to tighten the timings to around 8-8-8-24 or 7-7-7-20.
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June 8, 2013 8:21:24 PM

My initial post was a bit inaccurate. I actually have the Kingston HyperX 8GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 CL9 Desktop Memory Models. My first post was basically the same model, just the wrong GB size...if that matters, just to be accurate.

KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX
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Thanks for those 2 replies. I'll give this a go tomorrow evening. Even a bump up to the 1833mHz mark would be ok I suppose. I just want to get a little more out of the 1600.... yet remain stable. According to CPU-Z I have timings at 7-8-9-9 at 1.650v.
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June 9, 2013 8:54:44 AM

OldtimeGamer said:
I have 2 sets of Kingston KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX memory installed for a total of 16GB in my ASUS F2A85-V PRO motherboard. I've never tried overclocking memory....so this is my first time.

Kingston HyperX 8GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 CL9 Desktop Memory Models

Does anyone have experience overclocking this particular Kingston 1600 memory? It would be nice to know the highest stable settings rather than trying to do it from scratch.

Can I expect a reasonably good improvement over the base 1600?


bebop460 said:
Its widely agreed that going beyond 1600mhz provides little if any noticeable benefit. I had OCed my memory from 1600 to 2133 and noticed only a very small benefit to app load times.

It also corrupted my OS twice due to my stupidity. I'd suggest backing up your PC and creating a rescue disc. I like Macrium Reflect Free for this. MR will guide you in creating a rescue disc.


I agree with bebop460s quoted statement.

@OldtimeGamer

You do not say whether you're overclocking the CPU?

Or list any specs at all?

So we're left to assume that overclocking your memory is all you can do when if you're already overclocking your CPU by raising the multiplier, overclocking the memory may be the worst thing to do.

So if you will please fill in the missing pieces of the puzzle to give us the information to properly help you, or at least take bebop460s advice and create a rescue disk in case you corrupt your operating system.

When you push memory to it's error producing point, well you got trouble!

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June 9, 2013 6:31:31 PM

4Ryan6 said:
OldtimeGamer said:
I have 2 sets of Kingston KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX memory installed for a total of 16GB in my ASUS F2A85-V PRO motherboard. I've never tried overclocking memory....so this is my first time.

Kingston HyperX 8GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 CL9 Desktop Memory Models

Does anyone have experience overclocking this particular Kingston 1600 memory? It would be nice to know the highest stable settings rather than trying to do it from scratch.

Can I expect a reasonably good improvement over the base 1600?


bebop460 said:
Its widely agreed that going beyond 1600mhz provides little if any noticeable benefit. I had OCed my memory from 1600 to 2133 and noticed only a very small benefit to app load times.

It also corrupted my OS twice due to my stupidity. I'd suggest backing up your PC and creating a rescue disc. I like Macrium Reflect Free for this. MR will guide you in creating a rescue disc.


I agree with bebop460s quoted statement.

@OldtimeGamer

You do not say whether you're overclocking the CPU?

Or list any specs at all?

So we're left to assume that overclocking your memory is all you can do when if you're already overclocking your CPU by raising the multiplier, overclocking the memory may be the worst thing to do.

So if you will please fill in the missing pieces of the puzzle to give us the information to properly help you, or at least take bebop460s advice and create a rescue disk in case you corrupt your operating system.

When you push memory to it's error producing point, well you got trouble!



Your right...I should have mentioned that I have an A10 5800K (which is unlocked), so right away it easily over clocks to 4.2GHz but then I took it a little further using an automated OC option. I disabled the iGPU HD 7660D, since it runs better with just my flashed 6950.

I’m running a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO fan so my CPU temp stays pretty cool.

This took the A10 to a stable overclock of 4.5GHz...I'm guessing I could tweek it a little more but its stable and happy at 4.5GHz.

So..I figured, if I can get a little more out of my memory, it would be kinda nice.

(As a side note..... I recently Overclocked my reference MSI HD R6950. I flashed it to 6970 specs, so it gives me the "6970's" 1536 shaders, 1375 memory and went 880 on both the GPU clock and Default clock. Once I install a better cooler.... I'm then planning to bump the memory to at least 1400 and both clocks to at least 900...but for now I'm waiting till I add an ARCTIC Accelero Xtreme III VGA Cooler along with a modified VRM cooler.)

It handles most tasks quite well already but when I pay TERA ONLINE at the highest settings, I sometimes get some issues when there is way too much happening on my screen...but still can't complain.
Point being..I read playing TERA is very CPU dependent as opposed to GPU dependent. At least that's what I read.

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June 10, 2013 6:39:48 AM

OldtimeGamer said:
This took the A10 to a stable overclock of 4.5GHz...I'm guessing I could tweek it a little more but its stable and happy at 4.5GHz.

So..I figured, if I can get a little more out of my memory, it would be kinda nice.

It handles most tasks quite well already but when I pay TERA ONLINE at the highest settings, I sometimes get some issues when there is way too much happening on my screen...but still can't complain.
Point being..I read playing TERA is very CPU dependent as opposed to GPU dependent. At least that's what I read.


Since you're at a 4.5ghz O/C and stable, I suggest leaving the memory alone as a little more is all you'll get from it and it may cause you stability problems, memory needs to be rock solid when increasing the CPU multiplier, if you want more I suggest one or two steps higher on the CPU and leave the memory alone.

If you push the memory to the point of producing errors you'll corrupt your operating system, then you'll have a completely different post here.

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June 11, 2013 5:24:34 PM

So what your saying is if I can get the CPU from my current 4.5GHz...closer to 4.6GHz, I'm actually better off doing that than trying to OC the 1600 memory? I thought my 16GB at 1600 was going to cover my needs.... but maybe not.

Lets just say "for the sake of conversation", I stepped up my memory, would I really see a difference in how my gaming system performs? Would graphics load faster as I advance across a landscape in a game? I ask because right now, I notice that very problem...my graphics are much slower to display than I would like them to display in gaming...TERA specifically. For example...If I enter a new area/zone in the game (which doesn't require the computer to pause for a moment and load that portion of the game), I have to sometimes watch as grey silhouettes appears on the screen and is eventually displayed into a detailed character in the game. Its as if it cant load it fast enough toi keep up with the game.

Could this be just because its an online MMO game and I have a DSL connection....or would I see my screens loading faster if I stepped up to higher than DDR3-1600? Would 1866 or higher make a noticeable difference?
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June 11, 2013 6:42:47 PM

That sounds like an internet connection issue or a GPU speed issue delaying the rendering of the background.

Whether 1866mhz or 2400mhz, its not going to make any notable difference when gaming. I saw ~5% quicker app load times from 1600mhz to 2133mhz; that's it. No change in gaming whatsoever.

It's fun to try and overclock it, I understand the appeal, but there's next to nothing to actually be gained.

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June 12, 2013 3:10:35 AM

OldtimeGamer said:
Could this be just because its an online MMO game and I have a DSL connection....or would I see my screens loading faster if I stepped up to higher than DDR3-1600? Would 1866 or higher make a noticeable difference?


Online gaming performance has everything to do with ping rate, your machines total performance could be killer and a high ping rate will totally destroy online game play, and that is completely internet connection speed related.

The ping rate simply explained is the time it takes to send and receive a packet from your computer to the game server and back.

I have a killer gaming machine and can play Crysis 3 on completely maxxed out settings but cannot play online because I have a satellite internet connection with a ping rate sometimes as high as 1,000, which is absolutely horrible for online play, so I don't do it.

The best I got it down to was about 800, and that is totally unacceptable!

If you've seen players looking like they're walking in slow motion they're not receiving their updating data fast enough, and if you have too high a ping rate, you're looking to others like you are walking in slow motion, because you are.

They're receiving their updating data faster than you.

For smooth gameplay you really need a ping rate of 25 or lower for fast game response.

So before you worry about tweaking your machines performance.

What is your DSL ping rate?

Do you remember the Bigfoot Killer network cards, they would improve connection ping rate some what, but even they cannot help my situation.

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June 13, 2013 1:26:15 PM

Thanks for those helpful replies. I just tinkered around with ocerclocking the CPU a little more and got just a bit more out of it. First I cranked the CPU fan up to 100% just for good measure as I'm using a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO fan on my CPU with Artic Cooling paste.

I used my computers (AI Suite II) utility and via auto tuning, I managed to get a stable 4576MHz (104 x 44 ...which is a 20% increase over my 4.2 original overclock. And a heck of a lot better than the A10's power saving 3.8GHz out of the box.

So...4576MH s a little better I guess.... as I was just at the 4.5 mark earlier. I tried to get it to 4.6 but it wouldn't stay stable and the computer kept having to reboot. IF I had a better cooler I guess it would be doable but this isn't too bad.

So..you guys think I should just leave the memory alone now and be happy where I'm at?

I just ran CPU-Z and notice my 1600 memory is showing up that my NB frequency is running only around 1559 up to 1560 MHz max.

Next..as suggested I have to check my DSL's ping rate...I'm going to do that now.
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Ok..my ping rate turned out to be 52ms with a download speed of 2.84 mbps

I live up in the hills so I don't have a real fast Verizon DSL service where I'm living. Heck...we just were able to update here from dial up.
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June 13, 2013 3:07:17 PM

"So..you guys think I should just leave the memory alone now and be happy where I'm at?"

If you'll enjoy tinkering with it, you could give it a go for the sake of fun. Just tread carefully and know what you are getting yourself into.

Personally, to me, it's not worth risking system instability ATM as there's little to be gained.
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June 14, 2013 5:25:08 AM

OldtimeGamer said:
Ok..my ping rate turned out to be 52ms with a download speed of 2.84 mbps

I live up in the hills so I don't have a real fast Verizon DSL service where I'm living. Heck...we just were able to update here from dial up.


As far as online gaming is concerned there's your real problem that 52 ping rate will come across as sluggish and unless you can improve that and get it lower, it does not matter how fast you improve your machines actual performance it will not affect your ping rate.

You're in a much better situation than I am though, it may be sluggish but you can still do it, congratulations!

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June 14, 2013 2:09:12 PM

Thanks everyone for all that good advice. I guess it just might come down to my ping rate then. I can get Verizon DSL, however I can only get a slower level of DSl, just based on where I live. I guess trhere is one level slower and two levels faster than the one I can get. Too bad there is no way to boost a ping rate....or I could wish for FIOS. Oh well..I'll just have to be satisfied with things the way they are I suppose.

Oh..getting back to overclocking memory...I went into my BIOS yesterday. I noticed that when I ran the auto tune OC utility. besides overclocking the CPU.... it actually must have increased the memory as well.

It's odd because CPU-Z is still showing my memory at around 1559 up to 1560 MHz...yet in BIOS.... its now showing up as 1616MHz, so it seems to have slightly OC'd the memory.

I assume one reading can't be correct..but I'm not sure which reading is actually the one that's off.
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June 14, 2013 2:25:27 PM

If you decide you do want to try and OC the DRAM, manual is best, set freq to 1866, base timings to 10-10-10-27, 2N, DRAM voltage 1.68 and take CPU/NB voltage up + 0.12 from current setting
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December 6, 2013 8:30:15 PM

Does'nt the ram burn when u overclock it! Well i 2 have hyper x 4gb
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December 6, 2013 8:53:03 PM

With decent sticks, most will OC up at least a step - i.e. from 1600 to 1866 or 1866 to 2133....all depends on the sticks (whatever you have), have seen some, like maybe have 3 identical sets of a particular model and maybe two sets OC easily and the third not at all or 1 does and the other two won't at all ;) 
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April 23, 2014 6:24:43 AM

I recently OC'd my 8GB of Kingston RAM and mainly all it helped was it took extra load off my CPU and now I run a lot cooler than I did. For some reason my Ram was only clocked at like 1150Mhz around that, and when I OC'd to like 1723Mhz. I now have at the highest on my stock cooler on my AMD FX 8230 OC'd at 3.7Ghz no higher than 35 celsius during load using core temp and the monitor program from AI Suite II. Since I OC'd my RAM now I have more OCing possible since this is cooler now so I might try 4.0Ghz 50 celsius on load would be fine with me :) 
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July 9, 2014 9:36:02 AM

Overclocking the memory is a bonus for your GPU of your APU, but since you disabled it it won't help you too much in fps.
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