Hey guys, new to posting on the forums, although I have read some from time to time but not on this issue as I couldnt find anything. Wondering if AMD has any am3/am3+ gaming cpu's in the works for release this year or next year that will compete with the intel i5 3570k? Thanks for your time
next gen amd gaming cpu's 2013-2014
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dannyboy2233
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Most likely, anything that AMD comes up with will not be able to even compete with Intel's products... Just stick with a 4670k... it's the best processor for the price, especially since it's new-gen.
thor220
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Well there is a good chance that whatever amd releases next will turn out better than haswell's recent release. Intel has a single thread advantage right now but that gap will close quite a bit when amd's next gen processors come out. I expect amd's top end processor to be highly competitive to the 3570k, and at a good price. If your willing to wait I see good things in amd's future.
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This would be amazing, and I would love to see competition once again. (Even if AMD only competed on speed and Intel swept heat and efficiency, as would be likely.) That being said, I'm sorry, but where in the world are your sources? This is a pretty far-fetched claim, sadly.
thor220
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It's not that far-fetched to assume amd will make-up ground when intel's latest offering was very marginal. It is fact that the next desktop cpu from amd will be a suped up vishera with more resources per core. Highly increased single thread performance, increased multi-thread performance.
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Google AMD FX9000, it will be clocked at 4.8 GHz with Turbo Core to 5.0 GHz, and should release later this year. Not certain on pricing or anything like that, but it should be one crazy fast CPU.
Steamroller will be coming next year too, Kaveri APU architecture is supposed to launch Q4 this year with steamroller cores and GCN graphics, steamroller FX CPUs should come shortly after that.
Additionally...Jim Keller, the architect of the original Athlon and Athlon 2 series, said recently in an interview that AMD is "on pace to retake the CPU performance lead from Intel." I think that speaks volumes about his confidence in the work he is doing for AMD.
Steamroller will be coming next year too, Kaveri APU architecture is supposed to launch Q4 this year with steamroller cores and GCN graphics, steamroller FX CPUs should come shortly after that.
Additionally...Jim Keller, the architect of the original Athlon and Athlon 2 series, said recently in an interview that AMD is "on pace to retake the CPU performance lead from Intel." I think that speaks volumes about his confidence in the work he is doing for AMD.
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However, speed isn't everything. It's necessary to remember that a). AMD processors run extremely hot, and b). that they tend to have many weak cores. A processor with a slower clock speed but more powerful cores will beat a processor of the opposite.
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Anandtech? You go to intel's backyard to get intel supportive benchmarks? I could just die from being not surprised right now. Show some reputable, unbiased benchmarks.
At idle speed only...you left that part out...at idle the battery life is longer. As soon as you open a program, that goes out the window.
Intel rolls out hasfail and you're talking about their "superior architecture"...really? You came out from underneath a troll bridge and got lost here of all places?
Show me benchmarks that proves even half of what you said...they don't exist. Saying intel's iGPU is generations ahead of AMD when it's clearly generations behind is just trolling.
@OP:
There are a lot of great things in the works for AMD in the near future...I don't know why every thread about AMD ends up with trolls spouting nonsense about intel, but the fact is, that seems to be what we have to put up with here.
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I think you may just be running off some hear-say. AMD processors run just as cool as intel, if not cooler. AMD chips are allot easier to cool because the processor is much bigger than intel's. On your second statement, that's only true if you look at single threaded applications. AMD have superior multi-treading and they don't charge you $100 just to get the most out of it.
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Intel's graphics are so far behind amd's, it's not funny. You can't come on to tom's hardware and say that, it's bs. Even haswell can't compare to amd's current offerings. Kavari will embarrass intel when it comes out. Intel also does not have the graphics hardware support that amd has, AMD gives you free games, games optimized for amd, and develops new graphics tech. Intel has not done much but play catch-up in the graphics are for a long time.
Yes the new idle power draw is great but realistically it's not saving you power when you have the system running .
If I'm building a PC now, I wouldn't care about what's coming out in a few months, I want what's strongest now. You can cry and scream about the future but that doesn't affect what's on the shelves now. That applies to both.
I still wouldn't go with AMD, even if they had a CPU capable of a boost clock of 5.0 GHz. I've always went with Intel and that's how it'll be, better experiences. A friend of mine went with the 8350 and it failed within a couple of months. Another friend went with a 6300 from a 920 and said he hated it.
I'm not being a fanboy, as I always go with the companies that I trust the most and the ones that I have had great experiences with. I would've went with AMD for a GPU but I have had better experiences with Nvidia, just for an example.
This should create good competition and economic stimulation. IF AMD releases what they say they will, Intel will release better and so on. This SHOULD expand the market for entry level and enthusiast pc users. People wonder why AMD had suffering sales compared to Intel, you can't compete when your strongest can't compete with the other companies strongest without overclocking. Remember, most of the PC market doesn't overclock.
@OP: AMD has great things for them in the future which should make the general PC market better, because of the competition. I'm sure they'll have somewhat better CPUs in the future.
I still wouldn't go with AMD, even if they had a CPU capable of a boost clock of 5.0 GHz. I've always went with Intel and that's how it'll be, better experiences. A friend of mine went with the 8350 and it failed within a couple of months. Another friend went with a 6300 from a 920 and said he hated it.
I'm not being a fanboy, as I always go with the companies that I trust the most and the ones that I have had great experiences with. I would've went with AMD for a GPU but I have had better experiences with Nvidia, just for an example.
This should create good competition and economic stimulation. IF AMD releases what they say they will, Intel will release better and so on. This SHOULD expand the market for entry level and enthusiast pc users. People wonder why AMD had suffering sales compared to Intel, you can't compete when your strongest can't compete with the other companies strongest without overclocking. Remember, most of the PC market doesn't overclock.
@OP: AMD has great things for them in the future which should make the general PC market better, because of the competition. I'm sure they'll have somewhat better CPUs in the future.
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Always the same few spouting the same biased comments about their favorite brand.
My question is and has always been is what's the point, everybody here has a computer with a processor in it and it works. Does bragging about the brand somehow make it better ? Does arguing about it somehow make it better ?
I have a processor in my computer and I don't care what anybody else here has or is going to have. What I do care about is that it would be a good thing for everyone if AMD could become competitive and make Intel take notice so that they would be forced to put out some decent increased performance processors instead of the marginal increases that they are currently doing.
However since we have no control over what AMD or Intel does it really makes no sense for these kind of arguments to take place or in this case to continue.
I keep seeing the same names saying the same things so don't be surprised when you get that PM saying .............
My question is and has always been is what's the point, everybody here has a computer with a processor in it and it works. Does bragging about the brand somehow make it better ? Does arguing about it somehow make it better ?
I have a processor in my computer and I don't care what anybody else here has or is going to have. What I do care about is that it would be a good thing for everyone if AMD could become competitive and make Intel take notice so that they would be forced to put out some decent increased performance processors instead of the marginal increases that they are currently doing.
However since we have no control over what AMD or Intel does it really makes no sense for these kind of arguments to take place or in this case to continue.
I keep seeing the same names saying the same things so don't be surprised when you get that PM saying .............
thor220
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I was just speculating on the future of processor. In my opinion, it looks good for amd. I've used both amd and intel and run with a 3570k now . I was trying to provide a dialogue that portrayed the future of processing from a point of view that knew both sides. a few on the forums seems to believe that amd will never catch intel but amd has been doing so much with so little for years now. For the health of the PC market, AMD needs to stay afloat.
On the processor quality comment above: your friend must of just been unlucky. I have built many rigs for clients over the years and have NEVER had a doa processor.
Speculation aside, I think it would be safe to assume that AMD's next processor at least matches the speed increase that haswell gave ivy bridge, meaning at the very least amd will keep up.
On the processor quality comment above: your friend must of just been unlucky. I have built many rigs for clients over the years and have NEVER had a doa processor.
Speculation aside, I think it would be safe to assume that AMD's next processor at least matches the speed increase that haswell gave ivy bridge, meaning at the very least amd will keep up.
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Well it seems that you and 8350rocks are headed in the same direction , you don't like it when people are mislead and he doesn't like misinformation, if the two of you keep this up you will both be looking for another forum to take your arguments to.
What the two of you don't realize is that people will always say what they want or believe and they may not always be correct, however there is enough information out there that those looking will find what they need without their thread being torn up by you two trying to continualy provide your versions of the correct information. It's a poor excuse because you both like to argue.
The purpose of this forum is to provide a place for people to come to and get advice, have their problems solved and learn from experienced members. The two of you are not providing any of that , by your conduct in this and any thread like this you are both giving a bad experience to those that come here looking for answers. I am not the only Moderator that feels this way, several others have noticed what's been happening and there will be action taken, maybe not by me but by someone else. I'm giving you two fair warning to knock it off or face the consequences.
You are both welcome to post a response to the OPs question and then let that person decide for themselves which is the best answer for them, quoting each others posts and arguing back and forth will no longer be tolerated.
What the two of you don't realize is that people will always say what they want or believe and they may not always be correct, however there is enough information out there that those looking will find what they need without their thread being torn up by you two trying to continualy provide your versions of the correct information. It's a poor excuse because you both like to argue.
The purpose of this forum is to provide a place for people to come to and get advice, have their problems solved and learn from experienced members. The two of you are not providing any of that , by your conduct in this and any thread like this you are both giving a bad experience to those that come here looking for answers. I am not the only Moderator that feels this way, several others have noticed what's been happening and there will be action taken, maybe not by me but by someone else. I'm giving you two fair warning to knock it off or face the consequences.
You are both welcome to post a response to the OPs question and then let that person decide for themselves which is the best answer for them, quoting each others posts and arguing back and forth will no longer be tolerated.
Yes. AMD is already close enough that for the most part outside a few singlethreaded games its doesn't matter.
There is supposed to be a 4.8/5.0 Ghz FX cpu coming out sometime but ignore that. It will be more expensive than the 3570k (considering the price difference between the 8350 and the 3570k now) and consume a TON of power (220 watt tdp).
Your best bet it to wait for Steamroller to arrive (in 2014).
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What matters to me is what you get for the money, the better value. AMD is always my first choice when i must build budget gaming pc's. I'm not saying that the intel low end cpu aren't good, its just not good enough for what you pay.
When i go higher, mid range, the i5 and FX-8000 series are my first choice. You can't compare those cause both has some goods and bads! One thing they have in common is that they are of great value.
One step higher the i7 and i7-extreme are unmatched against AMD. But lets be honest, when AMD will come with cpu's that are CLOSE to those i7's, you will see a price drop and better innovation from BOTH sides.
hehe, say what you want but thanks to AMD we can buy an i5 for $200 or an i7 for $300, else it would be $300-$400. And to all the fan boys, nobody got a gun to your head to buy the other brand, so why cry over it? Be happy that there is competition we enjoy of.
When i go higher, mid range, the i5 and FX-8000 series are my first choice. You can't compare those cause both has some goods and bads! One thing they have in common is that they are of great value.
One step higher the i7 and i7-extreme are unmatched against AMD. But lets be honest, when AMD will come with cpu's that are CLOSE to those i7's, you will see a price drop and better innovation from BOTH sides.
hehe, say what you want but thanks to AMD we can buy an i5 for $200 or an i7 for $300, else it would be $300-$400. And to all the fan boys, nobody got a gun to your head to buy the other brand, so why cry over it? Be happy that there is competition we enjoy of.
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This guy.
How much does Intel pay you?
First of all who in the right mind that is serious about wanting to game on PC would do it on a laptop?
Haswell has done very little to improve on anything for desktops.
You want to talk about wattages and efficiency and are praising Intel up and down now but lets take a trip back to 2010 when the first generation i series processors came out.
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/298/AMD_Athlon_II_X4_615e_vs_Intel_Core_i3_i3-530.html
Hmm so the i3 was a dual core that had a tdp of 72 watts while the Athlon X4 is a true quad with a TdP of 45W and came out about the same time.
Hmm, interesting.
If you think it is because of the CPU frequency just look at the i5's running about the same speed as the X4,
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i5/Intel-Core%20i5-750S%20BV80605003213AH%20(BX80605I5750S).html
Almost double the wattage for the same performance according to these sketchy benchmarks.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-750-vs-AMD-Athlon-II-X4-615e
Don't know if CPU boss is a good benchmarker but that is comparing the faster 2.66GHz 750 to the X4.
So AMD out did Intel in 2010 with the wattages and performance what is to say they can't do it again?
Show me one legitimate benchmark where the i5 beats the 8350.
Because this is what I get,
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-3317U-vs-AMD-FX-8350
Yup, the i5 is close but AMD really messed up with the FX series and there was no way to fix it without changing the die I believe.
Correct me if I am wrong.
So AMD has stopped upgrading the FX series about a year ago.
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It has been reported that AMD will be releasing two new CPU based on the current Piledriver core later this year; the FX-8770 and FX-9000. The respective clockspeed is 4.8GHz and 5.0GHz and the TDP is 220w. That's compared to the FX-8350 clocked at 4.0GHz and a TDP of 125w.
Needless to say the new FX CPUs are very power hungry and produces a lot of heat. If the cost of electricity is not a concern for you, then all you need to worry about is finding an appropriate cooling solution because it is not known if AMD will be providing a heatsink for it or you need to buy your own. Due to the high TDP it is unknown what the overclocking potential is (if any) at this moment in time.
AMD will be releasing Steamroller CPUs next year for the consumer market. Server CPUs based on Steamroller should be released this year though. To the best of my knowledge, I think you will need to have at least the AMD 970 chipset in order for the motherboard to be compatible with AMD's next CPU.
Steamroller will likely be the last AM3+ CPU they will produce since AMD have stated they will only support that socket up until 2015.
inzone
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" Show me one legitimate benchmark where the i5 beats the 8350." You asked for proof and you now have it from the very same web site that you linked.
Look what happens when you go to the very same benchmark site and choose a 3570k to go against the 8350.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-3570K-vs-AMD-FX-8350
Then if you go head to head with the i7-3770k and 8350 this is what you get.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-3770K-vs-AMD-FX-8350
You call putting an i5-3317u against an AMD 8350 a fair comparison and then you crow about the 8350 beating that CPU, this is blatant AMD fanboy tactics.
The only thing that the 8350 has is a better lower price and they have to lower the price so that people will buy it.
Haswell does just as well against the 8350.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-vs-AMD-FX-8350
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4670K-vs-AMD-FX-8350
If AMD could be more competitive with Intel then it would force Intel to either lower their prices or produce higher performing processors which in either case will be good for the consumer.
Look what happens when you go to the very same benchmark site and choose a 3570k to go against the 8350.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-3570K-vs-AMD-FX-8350
Then if you go head to head with the i7-3770k and 8350 this is what you get.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-3770K-vs-AMD-FX-8350
You call putting an i5-3317u against an AMD 8350 a fair comparison and then you crow about the 8350 beating that CPU, this is blatant AMD fanboy tactics.
The only thing that the 8350 has is a better lower price and they have to lower the price so that people will buy it.
Haswell does just as well against the 8350.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-vs-AMD-FX-8350
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4670K-vs-AMD-FX-8350
If AMD could be more competitive with Intel then it would force Intel to either lower their prices or produce higher performing processors which in either case will be good for the consumer.
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