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June 8, 2013 9:22:06 PM

IM makeing my first pc ever i plan to leave consoles behind me i know CURRENTLY the i5 is the better option but with the new consoles running 8 cores would it be smarter to buy the cheaper fx 8350 instead? im looking to spend around 850 dollars with the os
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June 8, 2013 9:29:40 PM

The xbox 360 has three cores, the PS3 has (*sort of) eight. Look at ports. You're LUCKY if they run on two threads at once.

You aren't hoping that new 8-core consoles are going to meant that 8-core CPUs become king, you're hoping that game development companies are going to more than just the cheapest job producing the PC versions... and that's not going to happen.
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June 8, 2013 9:31:34 PM

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The xbox 360 has three cores, the PS3 has (*sort of) eight. Look at ports. You're LUCKY if they run on two threads at once.

You aren't hoping that new 8-core consoles are going to meant that 8-core CPUs become king, you're hoping that game development companies are going to more than just the cheapest job producing the PC versions... and that's not going to happen.


So you reckomend going with the i5 over the fx still?
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June 8, 2013 9:33:15 PM

The Samsung Galaxy S4 has an 8 core processor.
Core count isn't everything, you will find that an i5 will far outperform the 8 Core Jaguar chips that are in the Xbox One and PS4.
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June 8, 2013 9:35:58 PM

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So you reckomend going with the i5 over the fx still?


I recommend it, yes. The i5 will be by far the better performer, and even if games do come to commonly use 8 threads one day, it'll be so far in the future that the CPU will be outdated anyways.

(Also, manofchalk makes an excellent point, there.)
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June 8, 2013 9:47:07 PM

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Forte EXE said:
So you reckomend going with the i5 over the fx still?


I recommend it, yes. The i5 will be by far the better performer, and even if games do come to commonly use 8 threads one day, it'll be so far in the future that the CPU will be outdated anyways.

(Also, manofchalk makes an excellent point, there.)

Ok thanks im basically building this pc INSTEAD of buying the next console iv never owned a pc but iv owned all consoles im just not impressed with ps4 or xbox one.

so im putting the 900 they will cost into a pc so i dont plan too nor would i want to update anything for like 3 years except maybe the graphics card im buying a 7870 now with the build.

so for the cpu i want to buy something that will be able to play not only current games good but future games as well
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June 8, 2013 9:49:54 PM

You're going to have to upgrade the graphics card eventually, but that's fine; you'll still get far better performance than the consoles could give you.

I'd highly recommend going with an i5 then, because it's single core performance is better. Look at it this way - a dual core that runs decently is still fine for a gaming machine, even though it was top of the line five years ago - pretty much the same will be true of the i5 no matter what happens; it'll be fast enough and capable enough to keep you going for five years.
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June 8, 2013 9:53:10 PM

DarkSable said:
You're going to have to upgrade the graphics card eventually, but that's fine; you'll still get far better performance than the consoles could give you.

I'd highly recommend going with an i5 then, because it's single core performance is better. Look at it this way - a dual core that runs decently is still fine for a gaming machine, even though it was top of the line five years ago - pretty much the same will be true of the i5 no matter what happens; it'll be fast enough and capable enough to keep you going for five years.
thats all i needed to know then thanks.

and yea i plan to update the GPU in the future possibly 2 years from now or so as long as i can play games at least on medium-high ill be happy with the gpu im used to consol at 30 fps so anymore then that will do me good

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June 8, 2013 10:02:41 PM

Sounds like you're set, then!
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June 9, 2013 1:02:00 PM

DarkSable said:
Sounds like you're set, then!
i guess one last thing then how important is overclocking? reason i ask is now iv decided to go with the i5 im looking at either i5 3470 or the i5 3570k the k is like 50 bucks more then the 3470 for basicly the same stock speed but the k can be overclocked but to over clock id need a nice MOBO and a aftermarket heatsink wich adds even more money to the cpu department.

only way to realy do that is to get a lower gpu at first.

So i guess im asking whats more important the cpu or the gpu right away? would the i5 3470 and a good gpu now last me a few years or without the ability to voerclock would the i5 just bottleneck and slow down my system with future gameing?

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June 9, 2013 1:05:49 PM

I personally would be inclined to go with a z77 motherboard and 3570k now, with the stock cooler. That way, later on, you can spend $30 on a Hyper 212 EVO or it's future equivalent, and overclock for better performance.
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June 9, 2013 1:12:09 PM

DarkSable said:
I personally would be inclined to go with a z77 motherboard and 3570k now, with the stock cooler. That way, later on, you can spend $30 on a Hyper 212 EVO or it's future equivalent, and overclock for better performance.


So for right now in this day and age youd reckomend say a 3570k and a hd 7850 2gb gpu? willt hat do me well for a while and just get a better gpu late on
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June 9, 2013 1:32:38 PM

Yep! That'll get you medium-high settings with ease, and the processor will last a good long while. Just make sure you get a z77 motherboard so you can overclock later, or else getting the unlocked processor was pointless.
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June 9, 2013 1:44:26 PM

DarkSable said:
Yep! That'll get you medium-high settings with ease, and the processor will last a good long while. Just make sure you get a z77 motherboard so you can overclock later, or else getting the unlocked processor was pointless.


What is a good mobo for it? there seems to be alot of Z77s from alot of difrent price ranges, if im asking to much you dont have to answer i wont wana be a bother :( 

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June 9, 2013 1:47:31 PM

No worries - you should see the number of replies I get every day. :p 

I don't know your price range, but knowing that it's not huge, I would answer the AsRock z77 Extreme 4. It's an amazing motherboard. Think that could fit into your budget? If not, I can find other options.
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June 9, 2013 2:03:51 PM

DarkSable said:
No worries - you should see the number of replies I get every day. :p 

I don't know your price range, but knowing that it's not huge, I would answer the AsRock z77 Extreme 4. It's an amazing motherboard. Think that could fit into your budget? If not, I can find other options.

umm trying to stay as close to 850 as possible after rebates. I found a good deal with the memory i chose and a asus ghz edition hd 7850 2gb card to save 10 bucks as well as the asus gpu has a 20 dollar rebate and the psu i chose as a 20 dollar rebate and comes with 12 dollars off.

this is the build im looking at with the i5 3570k - http://pcpartpicker.com/user/ForteEXE/saved/1JKF

with the asrock extreme 4 it would put my build at 887 which is slightly over what i wanted to be at but if its truely a good bored i could probly swing it but if you could recommend something thats a lil closer to 100-115 that would be just as good that would eb good too (how about the asus board i have in the link already?)

looking at the extreme 4 and its price how does this board compare to it there about the same price? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... its red and black kinda going with my red and black theme of the computer (The gpu the case the leds and the memory is all red and black lol)
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June 9, 2013 2:08:56 PM

The asus board you've got there is what I would recommend at that price, actually. The z77 performance is pretty good, but it's too close to the Extreme 4, which is a better board.

I would look at possibly cutting the CD drive, or perhaps getting a cheaper case.
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June 9, 2013 2:23:57 PM

DarkSable said:
The asus board you've got there is what I would recommend at that price, actually. The z77 performance is pretty good, but it's too close to the Extreme 4, which is a better board.

I would look at possibly cutting the CD drive, or perhaps getting a cheaper case.
I havent considered a cheaper case, most cheaper ones i see only come with one fan i figured after buying the case and like 2-3 fans to go into it id be close to the price range of the current case i have anyways which comes with 3 fans and if i intend to oc i would need a good amount of fans for cooling.

And decent cheaper cases you would reckomend? (ID realy like a windowed case if i could get one)

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June 9, 2013 2:28:30 PM

Keep in mind that more fans, if you don't need them, are just noisemakers.

I'd recommend a Source 210 windowed edition. It's just about THE best budget case out there.
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June 9, 2013 2:37:47 PM

DarkSable said:
Keep in mind that more fans, if you don't need them, are just noisemakers.

I'd recommend a Source 210 windowed edition. It's just about THE best budget case out there.

I figured id need at least 3 fans tho? exp with ocing wont i?
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June 9, 2013 2:43:14 PM

Forte EXE said:
DarkSable said:
Keep in mind that more fans, if you don't need them, are just noisemakers.

I'd recommend a Source 210 windowed edition. It's just about THE best budget case out there.

I figured id need at least 3 fans tho? exp with ocing wont i?


The number of fans really doesn't mean that much, nor help that much. Depending on the setup, you could be better with one fan than with three. I personally would go with the source 210 and just buy a cheap 120mm fan to use as a front intake. That'll be plenty, even with overclocking.

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June 9, 2013 2:44:47 PM

:(  i realy liked the look of the storm scout haha but i know logically it makes more sence to have whats in the case look better then whats on the outside lol i suppose i can switch to the source one that would give me the money for a better mobo or after heat sink then
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June 9, 2013 2:47:06 PM

Forte EXE said:
:(  i realy liked the look of the storm scout haha but i know logically it makes more sence to have whats in the case look better then whats on the outside lol i suppose i can switch to the source one that would give me the money for a better mobo or after heat sink then


Totally your call.

I'm actually usually an advocate of getting a good case, and keeping it around, since that's one of the longest lasting parts of the upgrade cycle, usually. However, in your case, it's slightly different, since you don't want to be upgrading often.
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June 9, 2013 3:06:50 PM

DarkSable said:
Forte EXE said:
:(  i realy liked the look of the storm scout haha but i know logically it makes more sence to have whats in the case look better then whats on the outside lol i suppose i can switch to the source one that would give me the money for a better mobo or after heat sink then


Totally your call.

I'm actually usually an advocate of getting a good case, and keeping it around, since that's one of the longest lasting parts of the upgrade cycle, usually. However, in your case, it's slightly different, since you don't want to be upgrading often.


as much as i like the storm scout i do agree that the source case would probly be better... its 40 bucks cheaper i can actualy get the 3570k the asrock extreme 4 and the source case for 845 after rebates, that leaves room for like 1 fan and a heat sink or stuff like that for better performence i know performence is more important them looks and later down the road i could buy a better case or possibly some lights or somthing to go into it i rather have a good working machine and a dinky case then a nice case and a shitty machine lol
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June 9, 2013 3:34:04 PM

That's what I'm thinking. swapping out a case is a lot easier than swapping out a motherboard.

(By the way, if you want lights in the future, the only lighting I'd recommend would be the sunlight sticks for white, or alchemy strips for anything else.)
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June 9, 2013 3:41:05 PM

the zalman z9 plus or u3 and the zalman z11 are also great budget cases
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June 9, 2013 7:20:39 PM

DarkSable said:
That's what I'm thinking. swapping out a case is a lot easier than swapping out a motherboard.

(By the way, if you want lights in the future, the only lighting I'd recommend would be the sunlight sticks for white, or alchemy strips for anything else.)


By logisys??? i was looking at them they seem to have the highest and best reviews there cathode light sticks look goos
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June 9, 2013 7:28:09 PM

Forte EXE said:
By logisys??? i was looking at them they seem to have the highest and best reviews there cathode light sticks look goos


Yep, those are the ones. They aren't actually cathodes, which for me is a huge bonus, since cathodes are finicky and my computer gets moved a lot. I've got a white light strip on the inside of my case, which illuminates everything, and one on the back of my primary monitor, to help with eye fatigue.
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June 9, 2013 7:38:37 PM

DarkSable said:
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By logisys??? i was looking at them they seem to have the highest and best reviews there cathode light sticks look goos


Yep, those are the ones. They aren't actually cathodes, which for me is a huge bonus, since cathodes are finicky and my computer gets moved a lot. I've got a white light strip on the inside of my case, which illuminates everything, and one on the back of my primary monitor, to help with eye fatigue.
yea i was looking at the red ones i realy want a black and red set up

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June 9, 2013 7:44:21 PM

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yea i was looking at the red ones i realy want a black and red set up


Red lighting is hard to pull off - it tends to make things look very very weird. I'd go with either white lighting, or using bitfenix alchemy strips just as accents. If you flood the computer with red light like the sunlight sticks would, your shiny red components are mostly just going to look grey-ish.
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June 9, 2013 7:52:28 PM

^ Yup
I have a red lit machine myself, if you go overboard with lighting it looks really bad. I spent about $30 on two Bitfenix red LED strips, dont use either as it just fills the case with light and looks horrible. I'v found the soft glow from my side panel fan is what works best, as well as the red LED's in my Raystorm block.

In Film and Photography its important to know what the light reveals, and hides, same concept when making a PC look awesome. Flooding the case with light will only just make it look worse.
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June 9, 2013 7:56:34 PM

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yea i was looking at the red ones i realy want a black and red set up


Red lighting is hard to pull off - it tends to make things look very very weird. I'd go with either white lighting, or using bitfenix alchemy strips just as accents. If you flood the computer with red light like the sunlight sticks would, your shiny red components are mostly just going to look grey-ish.

whats a good after market heatsink? how is the coolermaster hyper 212 evo it has amazing reviews and is only 30 bucks or is that bad cuz its cheap?
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June 9, 2013 7:59:20 PM

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^ Yup
I have a red lit machine myself, if you go overboard with lighting it looks really bad. I spent about $30 on two Bitfenix red LED strips, dont use either as it just fills the case with light and looks horrible. I'v found the soft glow from my side panel fan is what works best, as well as the red LED's in my Raystorm block.

In Film and Photography its important to know what the light reveals, and hides, same concept when making a PC look awesome. Flooding the case with light will only just make it look worse.

i wa sjust thinking of like 2 12 inch cathodes one on the side one ont he bottom or top to light it up you think that would look bad some red lighted pcs iv seen on youtube look good to me
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June 9, 2013 8:00:31 PM

The Hyper 212 EVO is exactly what I would recommend; it kicks rear all the way up till you start spending a lot of money to get the huge air coolers if you're going for a large overclock.
A hyper 212 EVO with an aftermarket fan will get an i5-3570k to 4.4 GHz quite easily. (And remember you don't have to buy it right now, since you can use the stock fan till you start overclocking.)

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June 9, 2013 8:02:48 PM

manofchalk said:
Flooding the case with light will only just make it look worse.
Except with white light. White light just looks awesome. ;) 

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i wa sjust thinking of like 2 12 inch cathodes one on the side one ont he bottom or top to light it up you think that would look bad some red lighted pcs iv seen on youtube look good to me
Ok, let's get something straight: are you talking about cathodes, Like these, or the Sunlight Sticks? Because the latter are going to be very bright, and a single one would be more than enough to light up your entire case.
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June 9, 2013 8:06:51 PM

DarkSable said:
The Hyper 212 EVO is exactly what I would recommend; it kicks rear all the way up till you start spending a lot of money to get the huge air coolers if you're going for a large overclock.
A hyper 212 EVO with an aftermarket fan will get an i5-3570k to 4.4 GHz quite easily. (And remember you don't have to buy it right now, since you can use the stock fan till you start overclocking.)

"A hyper 212 EVO with an aftermarket fan will get an i5-3570k to 4.4 GHz quite easily" you use the aftermarket heat sink and the stock fan at the same time? i thought it was one or the other?

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June 9, 2013 8:08:46 PM

DarkSable said:
manofchalk said:
Flooding the case with light will only just make it look worse.
Except with white light. White light just looks awesome. ;) 

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i wa sjust thinking of like 2 12 inch cathodes one on the side one ont he bottom or top to light it up you think that would look bad some red lighted pcs iv seen on youtube look good to me
Ok, let's get something straight: are you talking about cathodes, Like these, or the Sunlight Sticks? Because the latter are going to be very bright, and a single one would be more than enough to light up your entire case.


somethign closer to the first link
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June 9, 2013 8:14:49 PM

DarkSable said:
manofchalk said:
Flooding the case with light will only just make it look worse.
Except with white light. White light just looks awesome. ;) 

Forte EXE said:
i wa sjust thinking of like 2 12 inch cathodes one on the side one ont he bottom or top to light it up you think that would look bad some red lighted pcs iv seen on youtube look good to me
Ok, let's get something straight: are you talking about cathodes, Like these, or the Sunlight Sticks? Because the latter are going to be very bright, and a single one would be more than enough to light up your entire case.

What is a good brand of case fans?
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June 9, 2013 8:16:28 PM

Mnkay, I would stay away from them. They fail frequently, break easily, and don't put off that much light. That's just my two cents, but it's coming from someone who moves his computer a lot. If your computer doesn't move, then they're less of a risk; though the converters will burn out eventually anyways.
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