A few questions on CPU's

Michael Perkins

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I am looking to be building a new PC in the next 2-4 weeks, and I have been doing a lot of reading and researching and hypothetical builds on pcpartpicker. I do have a question that hasn't been definitively answered, as well as some thoughts I wanted to get some advice or correction on if I am outright mistaken.

At first I wanted to go with the AMD Athlon II x4 965 Black edition because a) it has 4 cores and b) it is pretty dang cheap at the moment because it is older. My last PC I built is about 3 years old now, and when I built it, I didn't future proof it at all, so I am trying to leave the door open for myself to at least be able to upgrade in a year or two. The only problem, it seems, is that the AM3+ socket doesn't have a ton of options for upgrades, as I can only go to the FX series, and I have heard mixed opinions on them. So I am operating under the assumptions that I don't have upgrade options that offer significant improvement on the types of games I am going to play (WoW and F2P mmo's on the market, as well as a few older strategy games), and that there's a chance that sometime within the next three or so years, I am not going to get very good performance from my system if I decide to move into the area of more than casual PC gaming.

So keeping in mind that I do want to be able to upgrade, the Intel socket 1155 looks a lot better. I have a much greater range of upgrade options, but the problem I run into here is that for the budget I am looking at, a 4 core Intel processor is going to be a lot more than I really want to spend, because it eats into my graphics card budget. I could go for an i3, but I am concerned that if I go with an i3 that I won't get the same multi-tasking performance that I would with a quad core processor. That's a concern, as well as the issue that I have heard some games in the very near future and even right now require at least 4 cores to run smoothly.

So to my questions. First of all, is that above logic at all correct, or am I off base anywhere? Secondly, I'd like to know if an i3 will be able to handle certain multi-tasking operations as effectively as the AMD I previously mentioned. Multi-tasking is important to me because I go to school online and I run a two-monitor setup (one to type or explore my school message board, the other to browse for information or have my "school book" open in adobe). I also like to have one screen open for chat purposes while I play games. The last question I have is if there is a cutoff point if I were to go with the AMD where I wouldn't see a huge difference in GPU performance due to the processor?

Thanks to anyone that reads all of this and has any information/advice by the way. I have settled on almost everything for my build, but I am really on the fence right now on the processor I should get. I have spent the better part of a week gathering information, and it really all comes down to these questions.
 
What gpu are you planning to use?

Generally speaking, an I3-3220 would be good for most gaming, but will be highly dependent on the gpu. Most games use only two cores max, but I think as newer games come out, this will change to four core needs. If you want to "future proof" this rig, you may have to bite the bullet and go to I5.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with shopping around for an I5-2500k. It may be two generations old with the intro of Haswell, but it is still a killer cpu and the prices should be dropping.

It would be helpful if you posted your contemplated setup and budget.

Mark
 

Michael Perkins

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

Memory: Corsair XMS 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.68 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2GB Video Card ($152.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master HAF XB (Black) ATX Desktop Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $530.60
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-09 13:30 EDT-0400)

This is what I have in mind without picking the mobo or the CPU yet. I don't know if I am going for overkill on the GPU using two GB, but from what I have read and heard, it isn't going to hurt. If it makes sense to drop the GPU a little lower (I won't be gaming at 1080p for a while) then I can do that.
 

Michael Perkins

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The only issue with the 2500k right now is that for another few dollars, I could go with the 3570k I think.

I have zero experience in overclocking, so I am not too sure if any of the k series of processors are going to be for me anyways. right now, I am leaning towards the AMD mainly because it appears that I am going to be able to play most anything on the market right now, and it would allow me to possibly pump a little more money into a better GPU. Only problem with that is I can't seem to find where the line would be drawn at when it comes to my GPU being bottle-necked by my processor.
 

Michael Perkins

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So with that being the issue, should I be looking towards a dual core i-3 or the quad core i-5? If the i-3 is going to be able to handle multitasking decently (sometimes I have a chat window open on a smaller monitor while I play WoW for example) then I assume I have an option there?
 

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If you're just concerned with light multi tasking and playing World of Warcraft an i3 3220 or Phenom II 965 BE would be more than enough. More cores are really only useful in programs that will utilize them. Pretty much any modern CPU with at least 4GB of RAM will be able to multi task well. I'd go for an AMD chip if you're concerned about upgrade options, as AM3+ will have a better upgrade path than LGA 1155 and LGA 1150. Also, 2GB of VRAM is only useful on Radeon 7850/GTX 660 cards and better. Anything less will be too weak to utilize it. I recommend bumping up to a Radeon 7850 1GB card, as they aren't too much more expensive than a 2GB GTX 650 Ti and will perform better.
 

Michael Perkins

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I was actually under the impression that Intel had a better upgrade path than AMD. If I am able to get performance (I have never overclocked, although I am sure I could) out of the AMD at a much cheaper price that would fit my immediate and short term (next year or so) needs then it looks like I should pop the money from that into the GPU.
 

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It's all up in the air right now. Broadwell is rumoured to be BGA only, so Haswell might be LGA 1150's both first and last line of chips. Broadwell won't be too much of an improvement over Haswell anyways, at least not as much as Steamroller will be over Piledriver.
 

Michael Perkins

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Makes sense. And let's be honest here, all tech points aside, AMD has much better names for their chipsets.

Also, this is what I have come up with so far:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($90.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 Extreme3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($84.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($65.58 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF XB (Black) ATX Desktop Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $643.49
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-10 01:41 EDT-0400)

I know I could save some money on the case, but other than that, does this look at all ok?
 
Upgrade paths are difficult to predict for the most part, and with Intel moving to Haswell and a new socket, the Sandy/Ivy path is now closed. There are certainly a lot of Intel possibilities now, as there are with AMD, but IMO Intel is still the better option.

That said, your setup should allow you to play at decent medium settings at a good resolution. AM3/+ does allow for several options, and AMD is generally pretty good about maintaining upgrade paths, but I think AMD is generally headed to APU solutions which might cause some issues in the future.

Just my thoughts.

Mark