I7 3770k vs 4770k

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I am sure it has been asked before but, I am building a computer and was set on getting the I7 3770k. But since the recent introduction of the 4770k I was wondering what the real benefits there would be if I got this instead. It would only cost probably another 50 dollars or so to get the 4770k and an upgraded motherboard z87.

So ultimately should i get the 4770k? if so please give me some feasible reasons on why I should get it.

I7 3770k with z77 sabertooth
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i7 4770k with z87 sabertooth
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something else?

Also I will be using my PC for some gaming, really only a couple games. But also heavy CAD work, 3D modeling, and Photoshop since it is my profession.

Thanks in advanced.

I guess I should also note that currently I plan on getting:

AMD 7950 3gb with possible future crossfire
g.skills 2x8gb(16gb) RAM 1833
850 watt power supply
 
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In terms of being more future proof, I do think you will be better off with the newer just released i7 4770k. I'm currently on a i7 3770k and I'm pretty sure intel will not be releasing a newer faster version CPU on my current 1155 board, so I know I would have to upgrade later in the future to use a newer more advanced processor. I'm not too worried about going with the i7 4770k at this point because there is a small increase in performance over my current chip, however, if you are building a new system, I would go with the latest motherboard to ensure future upgrades will be possible.
 
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I was also thinking this, didn't really wana get an "Old" product, even though it really isnt old and still is a great choice a newer model I figured would be better. But im just having a hard time finding a good amount of information on differences.
 
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3770k is better. PERIOD.

There is no "future proof" with Intel, they change sockets every 18-24 months. Plus the rumor is Broadwell will be a BGA only setup. So you won't be able to upgrade from "Hasfail" to "Broadfail". Your next upgrade will be a new MB + CPU @ Skylake in 2015.

Might as well get IB over hasfail. All they did for hasfail was increase performance by 1% in gaming and increase power consumption systemwide, plus go to a new socket so you had to pay more to buy IB v2 err...hasfail.

Don't waste your money...buy the 3770k.

Honestly, if you're on a SB system right now of any kind I would recommend you sit out this cycle and just upgrade later. Your performance isn't that bad that anything newer is much better at all.
 
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Well, there are a few advanced features the newer intel chip takes advantage of that surely come to more use later I would presume. Not sure if you are familiar with Guru3d.com, but they recently reviewed the Sabertooth Z87 motherboard with the i7 4770k, which will provide with some more insight if you have not seen it yet.

If I was in the same boat as you and didn't have my current system, I would be going with the Z87, even though its a bit more costly, I think it would make more sense to take advantage of the latest and greatest have better options in the future in upgrading instead of having to get another CPU and mother board again. Then again, I'm sure sometime soon there will be motherboard's using DDR4 Ram, which in fact will cause us to upgrade to either both a new socket and motherboard and memory, but I am not to sure of of how far we are from that.



 
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Well I deffinitly need to get an upgrade, Im coming from a laptop that is 4 years old and I will be getting a degree in design this year. Does anyone know if the I7 3770k will run on a z87 motherboard? because I am interested in the z87 Mboard but not really the 4770k as much.
 
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Nothing that is a feature on Z87 MBs is a must have right now...even the GTX Titan/GTX 690/HD7990 cannot use all the bandwidth in PCIe 2.0 x16. If you CF/SLI...you might see an issue running 2 cards at x8, but it would be less than 5% between the 2 cards.

AMD makes GPUs, intel does not...AMD does not have full PCIe 3.0 support on most of their boards yet...why? Because they know GPUs cannot use all the bandwidth available right now.

Intel uses those features as a ploy to get people to buy new technology.
 
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Will not, the i7 3770k is an 1155 socket processor. The i4770k is an 1150 socket processor.
 
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ok thanks!

anyone else want to throw in opinions of 4770k vs 3770k
 
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No, it will not...because intel is notorious for making you overhaul your system to get newer technology.

The truth is...hasfail is not worth it...and the socket 1150 features will not matter before DDR4 arrives in 2014/2015 anyway.
 
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everything you said is completely wrong.

1. broadwell high end cpus have already been said to still be lga cpus.
2. at this point you could make a cpu 10% faster but in gaming most of the time the gpu is the weakest link so the cpu being faster will not show.
3. the power consumption increase is negligible at worst.
4. the 3770k is slower at everything compared to the 4770k
5. you are obviously bias and brain washed.


OP if you are starting from fresh get the 4770k and z87. its a little more but they both have the same negatives of upgrade future except that the z87 board still has the possibility to be compatible with the next cpu lines.
 
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Thanks for input I was originally thinking the same.
 
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Thanks for input I was originally thinking the same.
 
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1.) LGA is not PGA. LGA = Socket 2011, Intel has stated they will continue to support extreme line in LGA format.

Socket 1150 is PGA (Pin Grid Array, the same AMD uses), and there will be no PGA Broadwell.

2.) So the GTX 680/HD7970s of the world bottleneck your CPU is what you're saying? Rubbish!! The CPU is a bottleneck for the GPU...not the other way around.

3.) It's greater than 10% more power consumption at load. (112W vs 100W)

4.) Actually, the 3770k is only slower by 1 second or fractions of a second in ANY CPU bound benchmark...check Tom's Review buddy. Plus, the i7-3770k overclocks WAY better, so at the high end, the 4770k is slower than the 3770k. PERIOD.

5.) You are obviously uninformed. Read up on the reviews.

OP: Buy the 3770k, it's the same chip with lower power consumption and better overclockability. You don't need a 4770k because a new socket is coming in 18-24 months any way.

Benchmarks:

3770k is faster at 3dmark graphics here:
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Here it is 2 seconds slower...2 SECONDS!!!:
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You can't even tell the difference in cryptography:
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Memory bandwidth is better for the 3770k:
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3 SECONDS difference in Photoshop:
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15 seconds in blender:
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6 seconds in file conversion:
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8 seconds in MSVS:
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0.2 seconds better in WinRAR:
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3 seconds better at 7zip:
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2 seconds in TCS:
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Higher power consumption on 4770K:
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The Core i7-4770K, specifically, is a bit faster than the -3770K it replaces—but only because of IPC improvements. It runs at the same 3.5 GHz and sports the same four cores otherwise. HD Graphics 4600 are a small step up, but not significant enough to overtake AMD’s $130 A10-5800K APU in any meaningful way. The vaunted Iris Pro Graphics 5200, with eDRAM, is currently reserved for BGA-based SKUs. And although it appears we received fairly overclockable samples of the -4770K, industry consensus amongst the companies with hundreds of these chips on-hand is that, at safe input voltages, 4.3 or 4.4 GHz should be OK. The luckiest enthusiasts might get 4.5 or 4.6 GHz. Skill won’t get you far; Haswell is all about luck of the draw due to its integrated voltage regulator.


So, for the second time in a week, we’re disappointed. Haswell has a lot to offer, just not to desktop enthusiasts. Intel’s attention is fully in the mobile space, and we can tell.


Remember back to December of 2011, when we published Intel Core i7-3930K And Core i7-3820: Sandy Bridge-E, Cheaper? I gave the -3930K our Best of Tom’s Hardware award. Although the Sandy Bridge-E-based part was $600 at the time, power users who bought one have been enjoying it for the last year and a half—and, at its stock clock rate, it’s still faster than a Core i7-4770K in threaded workloads. That might have saved you a $300+ upgrade on Ivy Bridge and now a complete platform overhaul for Haswell.


For those of you on Core i7-2700K or older, Core i7-4770K makes sense as part of a two- or three-year upgrade cycle. Otherwise, I see little reason to spend money on a desktop processor upgrade, a new motherboard, and a compliant power supply. Save those few hundred dollars and put them toward a Haswell-based convertible, perhaps (or something based on Temash, if AMD’s partners can show us a compelling platform). In the meantime, we’ll be waiting on a manifestation of Haswell that more accurately shows off the spirit of Intel’s efforts.
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Tom's review of it says exactly what I am saying...DON'T BUY HASFAIL!

EDIT: FULL DISCLOSURE: I am a game developer and specialize in hardware. This is what I do for a living...compare architecture and flaws and how it translates into performance.

 
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except the very last paragraph of the post on bottom says :
--"For those of you on Core i7-2700K or older, Core i7-4770K makes sense as part of a two- or three-year upgrade cycle. Otherwise, I see little reason to spend money on a desktop processor upgrade, a new motherboard, and a compliant power supply. Save those few hundred dollars and put them toward a Haswell-based convertible, perhaps (or something based on Temash, if AMD’s partners can show us a compelling platform). In the meantime, we’ll be waiting on a manifestation of Haswell that more accurately shows off the spirit of Intel’s efforts."--

Either way im sure i will be happy with whatever it is i pick
 
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You will be happy with either one man, but the 3770k is cheaper and better than the 4770k. Don't buy into their propaganda, hasfail isn't worth it. Tom's is not the only review site to say this either.

If you're building a new system buy IB. When DDR4 hits end of next year or early 2015, intel will release a new board supporting it that you'll have to buy if you want that anyway.

DDR4 is already in production in small batches, it is not a long way out. Trust me.
 
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That review you posted from Tom's hardware which I've read was when the CPU was just released. The i7 3770k has been out for a while now, obviously motherboard manufacturers have taken advantage of most of the advanced features. What you are not taking into account is haswell, was just released, Guru3d has a review of the same I7 4770k on the OP wanted Sabertooth Z87 motherboard showing surpassing the i7 3770k. You have to keep in mind, as revisions of newer motherboard are released, they will take better advantage of the the power.

Link to review for comparison:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_sabertooth_z87_review,11.html

And do keep in mind that is using the exact motherboard the OP is wanting to possibly get, so much more relevant.

Earlier you had stated, in what appears that you are thinking that I'm referring to future technologies as PCI Express 3.0, and other things. When in fact, I was talking the added Instruction sets called HNI, includes Advanced Vector Extensions (AVX) 2. These futures will be beneficial in video encoding, and run on a 256-bit integer data that will be used in future programs.

I'm talking about this because I my self am using a sabertooth Z77 board along with a I7 3770k, and I know it wouldn't make sense to buy one at this time. I bought this shortly after it was released, no reason to upgrade to something that was released a long time ago.

 
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I am a game developer...working on a game to be released in 2015. We are barely getting around to using AVX code in the engine we have (UnrealEngine4, btw so it's a brand new engine). AVX2 won't be prevalent until much, much, much later than we release. Don't sweat AVX2.
 
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Since the price difference is relatively small between the i7-3770k and i7-4770k plus motherboard combo (~ $50), then go with the i7-4770k. While benchmarks only show that the i7-4770k is only faster by a few to several seconds compared to the i7-3770k, those benchmarks are likely to use somewhat simple and short rendering projects. In large and complex rendering projects those few / several seconds in the benchmarks can mean a saving a significant amount of time between projects.

Referring to Haswell as "Hasfail" is not really correct especially when compared to the uproar of disappointment when AMD transitioned from Phenom II to Bulldozer. That was a huge disappointment because AMD was touting performance increases but the fact was that Bulldozer performed worse than Phenom II in some benchmarks. Intel never really focused on Haswell's CPU performance increase, it wasn't even a bullet point in presentations.
 
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