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June 9, 2013 12:52:34 PM

Last year, I made an AMD build with an FX-8120. It was used for video editing, rendering, Photoshop, After Effects, and gaming. I plan to make the switch to Intel this year during summer. So, I'm ONLY upgrading the CPU and motherboard.

I was highly considering the i7-3770k before I heard and read about the release date and reviews of the 4th gen processors. With that passed, I am still deciding on whether I should get the i7-4770k or go Ivy Bridge with the i7-3770k. My plan originally was to go the Ivy Bridge route and put the savings on a SSD or better GPU. Most likely, I will keep the CPU for about 4 years, so I won't upgrade my CPU until 2016 or 2017. What do you guys think?
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June 9, 2013 12:56:53 PM

Why not save some money and go with the 8350? It's a good 15+% faster than your 8120...I think it would be a great fit for you.

If you must go intel, get IB. Especially if you ever intend to OC. The difference in cost isn't worth the performance gain with Hasfail. the 3770k is right there with the 4770k in nearly every benchmark. Tom's Hardware even all but said do not buy hasfail on the desktop. They recommend sitting out the upgrade cycle if you are on SB or IB intel architecture.

I think the 8350 would be a much better buy for you though, steamroller will be out 1st half 2014 and you can upgrade directly to SR, it will be well worth it.
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June 9, 2013 1:04:03 PM

8350rocks said:
Why not save some money and go with the 8350? It's a good 15+% faster than your 8120...I think it would be a great fit for you.

If you must go intel, get IB. Especially if you ever intend to OC. The difference in cost isn't worth the performance gain with Hasfail. the 3770k is right there with the 4770k in nearly every benchmark. Tom's Hardware even all but said do not buy hasfail on the desktop. They recommend sitting out the upgrade cycle if you are on SB or IB intel architecture.

I think the 8350 would be a much better buy for you though, steamroller will be out 1st half 2014 and you can upgrade directly to SR, it will be well worth it.


There is barely any price difference between Haswell and Ivy Bridge. Plus, buying 1150 socket means that you have the capability to upgrade to future Intel CPU's for generations to come, whereas the AM3+ socket on the AMD motherboards is quite old. Plus, a 4770k will outperform any other processor on the market that isn't a Xeon or Extreme Edition Intel processor.
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June 9, 2013 2:13:05 PM

Actually, socket 1150 is rumored to be dead already. Broadfail is supposed to be BGA only...with LGA support for extreme line CPUs ($500+). So you won't be upgrading past hasfail.

Additionally, intel changes sockets every 18-24 months anyway. There is no such thing as "future proof" with intel. Your next build is always an overhaul unless you're on a 12 month upgrade cycle.

The 4770k won't outperform an OC'ed 3770k, because it will never OC as high unless you have liquid nitrogen cooling system.

AM3+ is only 1 year old +/-, and it is supported for longer than socket 1150...(AM3+ is supported through 2015, 1150 is supported through 2014)
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June 9, 2013 3:24:57 PM

8350rocks said:
Actually, socket 1150 is rumored to be dead already. Broadfail is supposed to be BGA only...with LGA support for extreme line CPUs ($500+). So you won't be upgrading past hasfail.

Additionally, intel changes sockets every 18-24 months anyway. There is no such thing as "future proof" with intel. Your next build is always an overhaul unless you're on a 12 month upgrade cycle.

The 4770k won't outperform an OC'ed 3770k, because it will never OC as high unless you have liquid nitrogen cooling system.

AM3+ is only 1 year old +/-, and it is supported for longer than socket 1150...(AM3+ is supported through 2015, 1150 is supported through 2014)


"rumored"
You can't believe every rumor that you hear on the internet. No one is going to listen to you until things have ACTUALLY been released.
And although you may not be able to get Haswell to higher SPEEDS, they will run faster due to improve architecture.
It's quite evident that you simply hate Intel, and the fact that your name is "8350rocks" with a picture of an AMD processor means that you're opinion towards Intel is incredibly biased, and should be taken (in my opinion) with a grain of salt.
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June 9, 2013 3:37:41 PM

hafijur said:
8350rocks said:
Actually, socket 1150 is rumored to be dead already. Broadfail is supposed to be BGA only...with LGA support for extreme line CPUs ($500+). So you won't be upgrading past hasfail.

Additionally, intel changes sockets every 18-24 months anyway. There is no such thing as "future proof" with intel. Your next build is always an overhaul unless you're on a 12 month upgrade cycle.

The 4770k won't outperform an OC'ed 3770k, because it will never OC as high unless you have liquid nitrogen cooling system.

AM3+ is only 1 year old +/-, and it is supported for longer than socket 1150...(AM3+ is supported through 2015, 1150 is supported through 2014)


I like how you troll knowing that you are wrong. Haswel is amazing, I just saw an article on anandtech about battery life:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7047/the-haswell-ultraboo...

The new S7 delivers over 2x the battery life of the old model. Normalizing for battery capacity, the improvement due to Haswell is 57.5%.

For laptops its the biggest difference since 2003 when the pentium m centrino package was released. Big deal if you ask mobile users, I keep mine plugged in so it doesn't matter much for me but its great if you are going places. Haswell will be known 10 years from now when computing finally meant igpu gaming is possible all day battery life is possible.haswell is just on another level, they don't need to care about cpu performance as its already good enough. Im glad that intel are focusing on things that matter more.

AMD imo are just finished as they are trying to milk out junk architecture and develop it or milk it. Its embarrassing how bad piledriver and bulldozer are. Intel must be laughing hence why they can charge there prices for there cpus as they are basically 2x better performance per watt business users like efficient low profile cpus and amd are basically in the power hungry market when there low end apu cpus take more then a 3770k you know you are in trouble.


Please keep the conversation productive and don't bait flames.
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June 9, 2013 3:44:21 PM

hafijur said:
8350rocks said:
Actually, socket 1150 is rumored to be dead already. Broadfail is supposed to be BGA only...with LGA support for extreme line CPUs ($500+). So you won't be upgrading past hasfail.

Additionally, intel changes sockets every 18-24 months anyway. There is no such thing as "future proof" with intel. Your next build is always an overhaul unless you're on a 12 month upgrade cycle.

The 4770k won't outperform an OC'ed 3770k, because it will never OC as high unless you have liquid nitrogen cooling system.

AM3+ is only 1 year old +/-, and it is supported for longer than socket 1150...(AM3+ is supported through 2015, 1150 is supported through 2014)


I like how you troll knowing that you are wrong. Haswel is amazing, I just saw an article on anandtech about battery life:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7047/the-haswell-ultraboo...

The new S7 delivers over 2x the battery life of the old model. Normalizing for battery capacity, the improvement due to Haswell is 57.5%.

For laptops its the biggest difference since 2003 when the pentium m centrino package was released. Big deal if you ask mobile users, I keep mine plugged in so it doesn't matter much for me but its great if you are going places. Haswell will be known 10 years from now when computing finally meant igpu gaming is possible all day battery life is possible.haswell is just on another level, they don't need to care about cpu performance as its already good enough. Im glad that intel are focusing on things that matter more.

AMD imo are just finished as they are trying to milk out junk architecture and develop it or milk it. Its embarrassing how bad piledriver and bulldozer are. Intel must be laughing hence why they can charge there prices for there cpus as they are basically 2x better performance per watt business users like efficient low profile cpus and amd are basically in the power hungry market when there low end apu cpus take more then a 3770k you know you are in trouble.


Precisely :)  Two non-biased people can out-argue an AMD fan-boy any day!
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June 9, 2013 3:52:31 PM

dannyboy2233 said:
hafijur said:
8350rocks said:
Actually, socket 1150 is rumored to be dead already. Broadfail is supposed to be BGA only...with LGA support for extreme line CPUs ($500+). So you won't be upgrading past hasfail.

Additionally, intel changes sockets every 18-24 months anyway. There is no such thing as "future proof" with intel. Your next build is always an overhaul unless you're on a 12 month upgrade cycle.

The 4770k won't outperform an OC'ed 3770k, because it will never OC as high unless you have liquid nitrogen cooling system.

AM3+ is only 1 year old +/-, and it is supported for longer than socket 1150...(AM3+ is supported through 2015, 1150 is supported through 2014)


I like how you troll knowing that you are wrong. Haswel is amazing, I just saw an article on anandtech about battery life:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7047/the-haswell-ultraboo...

The new S7 delivers over 2x the battery life of the old model. Normalizing for battery capacity, the improvement due to Haswell is 57.5%.

For laptops its the biggest difference since 2003 when the pentium m centrino package was released. Big deal if you ask mobile users, I keep mine plugged in so it doesn't matter much for me but its great if you are going places. Haswell will be known 10 years from now when computing finally meant igpu gaming is possible all day battery life is possible.haswell is just on another level, they don't need to care about cpu performance as its already good enough. Im glad that intel are focusing on things that matter more.

AMD imo are just finished as they are trying to milk out junk architecture and develop it or milk it. Its embarrassing how bad piledriver and bulldozer are. Intel must be laughing hence why they can charge there prices for there cpus as they are basically 2x better performance per watt business users like efficient low profile cpus and amd are basically in the power hungry market when there low end apu cpus take more then a 3770k you know you are in trouble.


Precisely :)  Two non-biased people can out-argue an AMD fan-boy any day!


How am I an AMD fanboy by recommending a 3770k? I could understand coming into the thread and saying, "OH NOES!!! GET A FX8350!!!" though I am clearly not doing that.

I am giving him honest, unbiased, supported facts with information to back it up.

Where are you getting your information from? Mine comes from the site whose forum you are posting in.
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June 9, 2013 3:55:21 PM

8350rocks said:
dannyboy2233 said:
hafijur said:
8350rocks said:
Actually, socket 1150 is rumored to be dead already. Broadfail is supposed to be BGA only...with LGA support for extreme line CPUs ($500+). So you won't be upgrading past hasfail.

Additionally, intel changes sockets every 18-24 months anyway. There is no such thing as "future proof" with intel. Your next build is always an overhaul unless you're on a 12 month upgrade cycle.

The 4770k won't outperform an OC'ed 3770k, because it will never OC as high unless you have liquid nitrogen cooling system.

AM3+ is only 1 year old +/-, and it is supported for longer than socket 1150...(AM3+ is supported through 2015, 1150 is supported through 2014)


I like how you troll knowing that you are wrong. Haswel is amazing, I just saw an article on anandtech about battery life:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7047/the-haswell-ultraboo...

The new S7 delivers over 2x the battery life of the old model. Normalizing for battery capacity, the improvement due to Haswell is 57.5%.

For laptops its the biggest difference since 2003 when the pentium m centrino package was released. Big deal if you ask mobile users, I keep mine plugged in so it doesn't matter much for me but its great if you are going places. Haswell will be known 10 years from now when computing finally meant igpu gaming is possible all day battery life is possible.haswell is just on another level, they don't need to care about cpu performance as its already good enough. Im glad that intel are focusing on things that matter more.

AMD imo are just finished as they are trying to milk out junk architecture and develop it or milk it. Its embarrassing how bad piledriver and bulldozer are. Intel must be laughing hence why they can charge there prices for there cpus as they are basically 2x better performance per watt business users like efficient low profile cpus and amd are basically in the power hungry market when there low end apu cpus take more then a 3770k you know you are in trouble.


Precisely :)  Two non-biased people can out-argue an AMD fan-boy any day!


How am I an AMD fanboy by recommending a 3770k? I could understand coming into the thread and saying, "OH NOES!!! GET A FX8350!!!" though I am clearly not doing that.

I am giving him honest, unbiased, supported facts with information to back it up.

Where are you getting your information from? Mine comes from the site whose forum you are posting in.


Mine comes from a variety of sources, which is how information should be found. if you always rely on only one source, you're bound to be wrong sometimes.
And from what I got, you weren't recommending the 3770k, you were simply using it to bring unfounded shame to the 4770k.
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June 9, 2013 4:03:32 PM

dannyboy2233 said:
8350rocks said:
dannyboy2233 said:
hafijur said:
8350rocks said:
Actually, socket 1150 is rumored to be dead already. Broadfail is supposed to be BGA only...with LGA support for extreme line CPUs ($500+). So you won't be upgrading past hasfail.

Additionally, intel changes sockets every 18-24 months anyway. There is no such thing as "future proof" with intel. Your next build is always an overhaul unless you're on a 12 month upgrade cycle.

The 4770k won't outperform an OC'ed 3770k, because it will never OC as high unless you have liquid nitrogen cooling system.

AM3+ is only 1 year old +/-, and it is supported for longer than socket 1150...(AM3+ is supported through 2015, 1150 is supported through 2014)


I like how you troll knowing that you are wrong. Haswel is amazing, I just saw an article on anandtech about battery life:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7047/the-haswell-ultraboo...

The new S7 delivers over 2x the battery life of the old model. Normalizing for battery capacity, the improvement due to Haswell is 57.5%.

For laptops its the biggest difference since 2003 when the pentium m centrino package was released. Big deal if you ask mobile users, I keep mine plugged in so it doesn't matter much for me but its great if you are going places. Haswell will be known 10 years from now when computing finally meant igpu gaming is possible all day battery life is possible.haswell is just on another level, they don't need to care about cpu performance as its already good enough. Im glad that intel are focusing on things that matter more.

AMD imo are just finished as they are trying to milk out junk architecture and develop it or milk it. Its embarrassing how bad piledriver and bulldozer are. Intel must be laughing hence why they can charge there prices for there cpus as they are basically 2x better performance per watt business users like efficient low profile cpus and amd are basically in the power hungry market when there low end apu cpus take more then a 3770k you know you are in trouble.


Precisely :)  Two non-biased people can out-argue an AMD fan-boy any day!


How am I an AMD fanboy by recommending a 3770k? I could understand coming into the thread and saying, "OH NOES!!! GET A FX8350!!!" though I am clearly not doing that.

I am giving him honest, unbiased, supported facts with information to back it up.

Where are you getting your information from? Mine comes from the site whose forum you are posting in.


Mine comes from a variety of sources, which is how information should be found. if you always rely on only one source, you're bound to be wrong sometimes.
And from what I got, you weren't recommending the 3770k, you were simply using it to bring unfounded shame to the 4770k.


No, if I wasn't recommending the 3770k, I wouldn't have recommended it over the 4770k. Additionally, Tom's Hardware is one of the best sites for benchmarks out there...

Remarkably though, semiaccurate.com, techreport.com, and several other highly reputable sources have the same results. If you are quoting results from Anandtech.com (or intelfanboys.com as it's sometimes known) or some other less reputable site, then your "facts" are likely skewed anyway. Google Anandtech intel bias and see what comes up...as a matter of fact...don't even finish typing past Anandtech intel b and see what google suggests as popular searches to you. Semi Accurate calls him out openly for the bias toward intel, as do Agner and several other places.

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June 9, 2013 4:10:12 PM

8350rocks said:
dannyboy2233 said:
8350rocks said:
dannyboy2233 said:
hafijur said:
8350rocks said:
Actually, socket 1150 is rumored to be dead already. Broadfail is supposed to be BGA only...with LGA support for extreme line CPUs ($500+). So you won't be upgrading past hasfail.

Additionally, intel changes sockets every 18-24 months anyway. There is no such thing as "future proof" with intel. Your next build is always an overhaul unless you're on a 12 month upgrade cycle.

The 4770k won't outperform an OC'ed 3770k, because it will never OC as high unless you have liquid nitrogen cooling system.

AM3+ is only 1 year old +/-, and it is supported for longer than socket 1150...(AM3+ is supported through 2015, 1150 is supported through 2014)


I like how you troll knowing that you are wrong. Haswel is amazing, I just saw an article on anandtech about battery life:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7047/the-haswell-ultraboo...

The new S7 delivers over 2x the battery life of the old model. Normalizing for battery capacity, the improvement due to Haswell is 57.5%.

For laptops its the biggest difference since 2003 when the pentium m centrino package was released. Big deal if you ask mobile users, I keep mine plugged in so it doesn't matter much for me but its great if you are going places. Haswell will be known 10 years from now when computing finally meant igpu gaming is possible all day battery life is possible.haswell is just on another level, they don't need to care about cpu performance as its already good enough. Im glad that intel are focusing on things that matter more.

AMD imo are just finished as they are trying to milk out junk architecture and develop it or milk it. Its embarrassing how bad piledriver and bulldozer are. Intel must be laughing hence why they can charge there prices for there cpus as they are basically 2x better performance per watt business users like efficient low profile cpus and amd are basically in the power hungry market when there low end apu cpus take more then a 3770k you know you are in trouble.


Precisely :)  Two non-biased people can out-argue an AMD fan-boy any day!


How am I an AMD fanboy by recommending a 3770k? I could understand coming into the thread and saying, "OH NOES!!! GET A FX8350!!!" though I am clearly not doing that.

I am giving him honest, unbiased, supported facts with information to back it up.

Where are you getting your information from? Mine comes from the site whose forum you are posting in.


Mine comes from a variety of sources, which is how information should be found. if you always rely on only one source, you're bound to be wrong sometimes.
And from what I got, you weren't recommending the 3770k, you were simply using it to bring unfounded shame to the 4770k.


No, if I wasn't recommending the 3770k, I wouldn't have recommended it over the 4770k. Additionally, Tom's Hardware is one of the best sites for benchmarks out there...

Remarkably though, semiaccurate.com, techreport.com, and several other highly reputable sources have the same results. If you are quoting results from Anandtech.com (or intelfanboys.com as it's sometimes known) or some other less reputable site, then your "facts" are likely skewed anyway. Google Anandtech intel bias and see what comes up...as a matter of fact...don't even finish typing past Anandtech intel b and see what google suggests as popular searches to you. Semi Accurate calls him out openly for the bias toward intel, as do Agner and several other places.



When did I ever say that I got my information from "anandtech.com"?
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June 9, 2013 4:12:56 PM

dannyboy2233 said:


When did I ever say that I got my information from "anandtech.com"?


I said...

Quote:
If you are quoting results from Anandtech.com (or intelfanboys.com as it's sometimes known) or some other less reputable site, then your "facts" are likely skewed anyway.


Note the use of the word "if".
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June 9, 2013 4:16:20 PM

8350rocks said:
dannyboy2233 said:


When did I ever say that I got my information from "anandtech.com"?


I said...

Quote:
If you are quoting results from Anandtech.com (or intelfanboys.com as it's sometimes known) or some other less reputable site, then your "facts" are likely skewed anyway.


Note the use of the word "if".


And yet the implication was that I receive my information solely from there...
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June 9, 2013 4:22:56 PM

No, the implication was that if you are unaware, they are incredibly biased.

You're reading entirely too much into what I am saying. I tend not to "imply" things...in fact, I come right out and say exactly what I mean. So, stop assuming I have some hidden meaning behind what I say. The fact of the matter is, I am not at all concerned about speaking my mind freely, and if I meant to say something else, I would come right out and say it. I don't dance all around it and let you do the math...I'll help you do the math and see what I am talking about.

What you see is what you get, so when you read something I post...don't have any doubts about what I mean. If you need clarification, just ask. But there is no "hidden meaning" or "implications" from what I am posting.
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June 9, 2013 4:27:06 PM

8350rocks said:
No, the implication was that if you are unaware, they are incredibly biased.

You're reading entirely too much into what I am saying. I tend not to "imply" things...in fact, I come right out and say exactly what I mean. So, stop assuming I have some hidden meaning behind what I say. The fact of the matter is, I am not at all concerned about speaking my mind freely, and if I meant to say something else, I would come right out and say it. I don't dance all around it and let you do the math...I'll help you do the math and see what I am talking about.

What you see is what you get, so when you read something I post...don't have any doubts about what I mean. If you need clarification, just ask. But there is no "hidden meaning" or "implications" from what I am posting.


What say we just quit clouding up this poor thread and get back to our daily work? Neither of us are right, neither are wrong. Shall we leave it at that? :) 
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June 9, 2013 4:39:12 PM

Agreed.
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June 9, 2013 5:22:40 PM

Do your needs warrant a platform change? Do you feel like your computer is excessively slow for what you do? Considered overclocking?

You mentioned better GPU, SSD. Money can be better spent there IMO. Have both a 3570k and 8120@4.5 and don't really come to a "whoa so different" feeling other than some single threaded programs. Your needs and sensitivity may differ.

You can always hold out for Steamroller, which is what I intend to do with my AMD rig. But either Intel choice would work just fine for the next couple of years given that the performance between Haswell and Ivy are 5-10% superior given similar clocks.

If you want to pull the trigger now, I'd probably go with Haswell (stronger recommendation later on due to USB sleep issues getting patched up down the road, could be wrong though). Mostly on the strength of how nicely their mobos are shaping up, not necessarily on performance. Cheers, hopes this helps.
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June 9, 2013 5:44:33 PM

hafijur said:
8350rocks said:
Actually, socket 1150 is rumored to be dead already. Broadfail is supposed to be BGA only...with LGA support for extreme line CPUs ($500+). So you won't be upgrading past hasfail.

Additionally, intel changes sockets every 18-24 months anyway. There is no such thing as "future proof" with intel. Your next build is always an overhaul unless you're on a 12 month upgrade cycle.

The 4770k won't outperform an OC'ed 3770k, because it will never OC as high unless you have liquid nitrogen cooling system.

AM3+ is only 1 year old +/-, and it is supported for longer than socket 1150...(AM3+ is supported through 2015, 1150 is supported through 2014)


I like how you troll knowing that you are wrong. Haswel is amazing, I just saw an article on anandtech about battery life:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7047/the-haswell-ultraboo...

The new S7 delivers over 2x the battery life of the old model. Normalizing for battery capacity, the improvement due to Haswell is 57.5%.

For laptops its the biggest difference since 2003 when the pentium m centrino package was released. Big deal if you ask mobile users, I keep mine plugged in so it doesn't matter much for me but its great if you are going places. Haswell will be known 10 years from now when computing finally meant igpu gaming is possible all day battery life is possible.haswell is just on another level, they don't need to care about cpu performance as its already good enough. Im glad that intel are focusing on things that matter more.

AMD imo are just finished as they are trying to milk out junk architecture and develop it or milk it. Its embarrassing how bad piledriver and bulldozer are. Intel must be laughing hence why they can charge there prices for there cpus as they are basically 2x better performance per watt business users like efficient low profile cpus and amd are basically in the power hungry market when there low end apu cpus take more then a 3770k you know you are in trouble.


had a good laugh, thanks.
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June 9, 2013 5:49:21 PM

If you're talking about performance, preferably stock performance (since most of the pc users don't OC), AMD is crushed by Intel. It's a whole different ball game when you OC, however.
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June 9, 2013 5:55:32 PM

Scaletta said:
If you're talking about performance, preferably stock performance (since most of the pc users don't OC), AMD is crushed by Intel. It's a whole different ball game when you OC, however.


In modern games that use 4 cores(almost all games do now) you won't see intel performing much better and when it's better it's usually within margin of erro. But if you're talking about games that only use 1 or 2 cores like starcraft 2 intel does perform much better.
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June 9, 2013 5:59:22 PM

L Helps said:
Scaletta said:
If you're talking about performance, preferably stock performance (since most of the pc users don't OC), AMD is crushed by Intel. It's a whole different ball game when you OC, however.


In modern games that use 4 cores(almost all games do now) you won't see intel performing much better and when it's better it's usually within margin of erro. But if you're talking about games that only use 1 or 2 cores like starcraft 2 intel does perform much better.


I hate to say it, but margin of error won't necessarily be true for most of the benchmarks.
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June 9, 2013 6:04:20 PM

Scaletta said:
L Helps said:
Scaletta said:
If you're talking about performance, preferably stock performance (since most of the pc users don't OC), AMD is crushed by Intel. It's a whole different ball game when you OC, however.


In modern games that use 4 cores(almost all games do now) you won't see intel performing much better and when it's better it's usually within margin of erro. But if you're talking about games that only use 1 or 2 cores like starcraft 2 intel does perform much better.


I hate to say it, but margin of error won't necessarily be true for most of the benchmarks.


it does in real time benchmark and do you think you would actually feel the 5fps> difference? sure 25 vs 30 you will but 100 vs 105 or even 100 vs 130 I don't think so. And all benchmark are with the highest end videocards so the difference will be smaller when you're using something like a hd 7870 or gtx 660.
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June 9, 2013 6:31:16 PM

to op:
If you are upgrading (I don't understanding why you are, is your cpu bottlenecking your video card?), get the 3770k. It's considerably faster than the 8350, get it if you can afford it. To all the people saying how amazingly awesome haswell is, it's amazingly awesome for sure....for laptops. For desktops, it doesn't change power consumption much (it may have even increased it), it offers 5-7% increases clock per clock compared to ivy, it overclocks worse, and, most importantly, IT COSTS $30 MORE, not to mention the more expensive mobos. An overclocked 3770k is as good if not better than the 4770k, and it costs less. And the 1150 socket will be dead after another generation, which, given intels trends lately, won't be worth upgrading to if you have ivy or haswell (can't say for sure about sandy).
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June 9, 2013 6:48:00 PM

L Helps said:
Scaletta said:
L Helps said:
Scaletta said:
If you're talking about performance, preferably stock performance (since most of the pc users don't OC), AMD is crushed by Intel. It's a whole different ball game when you OC, however.


In modern games that use 4 cores(almost all games do now) you won't see intel performing much better and when it's better it's usually within margin of erro. But if you're talking about games that only use 1 or 2 cores like starcraft 2 intel does perform much better.


I hate to say it, but margin of error won't necessarily be true for most of the benchmarks.


it does in real time benchmark and do you think you would actually feel the 5fps> difference? sure 25 vs 30 you will but 100 vs 105 or even 100 vs 130 I don't think so. And all benchmark are with the highest end videocards so the difference will be smaller when you're using something like a hd 7870 or gtx 660.


If it's four cores, intel's perform BETTER
They have four, more powerful cores, as opposed to eight less powerful cores, only four of which are being used.
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June 9, 2013 6:57:50 PM

dannyboy2233 said:
L Helps said:
Scaletta said:
L Helps said:
Scaletta said:
If you're talking about performance, preferably stock performance (since most of the pc users don't OC), AMD is crushed by Intel. It's a whole different ball game when you OC, however.


In modern games that use 4 cores(almost all games do now) you won't see intel performing much better and when it's better it's usually within margin of erro. But if you're talking about games that only use 1 or 2 cores like starcraft 2 intel does perform much better.


I hate to say it, but margin of error won't necessarily be true for most of the benchmarks.


it does in real time benchmark and do you think you would actually feel the 5fps> difference? sure 25 vs 30 you will but 100 vs 105 or even 100 vs 130 I don't think so. And all benchmark are with the highest end videocards so the difference will be smaller when you're using something like a hd 7870 or gtx 660.


If it's four cores, intel's perform BETTER
They have four, more powerful cores, as opposed to eight less powerful cores, only four of which are being used.


yes but did you actually looked at wich gpu they used and how much of a difference it was, a difference of 3 fps isn't much and almost not noticible. And then you have the cost difference...
But don't let this become a flame war, intel is better but not by much and the cost is higher. I'm going to build a amd based build because I'm using those extra cores for videoediting, an i7 intel build is 150,- more.
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June 9, 2013 6:59:19 PM

L Helps said:
dannyboy2233 said:
L Helps said:
Scaletta said:
L Helps said:
Scaletta said:
If you're talking about performance, preferably stock performance (since most of the pc users don't OC), AMD is crushed by Intel. It's a whole different ball game when you OC, however.


In modern games that use 4 cores(almost all games do now) you won't see intel performing much better and when it's better it's usually within margin of erro. But if you're talking about games that only use 1 or 2 cores like starcraft 2 intel does perform much better.


I hate to say it, but margin of error won't necessarily be true for most of the benchmarks.


it does in real time benchmark and do you think you would actually feel the 5fps> difference? sure 25 vs 30 you will but 100 vs 105 or even 100 vs 130 I don't think so. And all benchmark are with the highest end videocards so the difference will be smaller when you're using something like a hd 7870 or gtx 660.


If it's four cores, intel's perform BETTER
They have four, more powerful cores, as opposed to eight less powerful cores, only four of which are being used.


yes but did you actually looked at wich gpu they used and how much of a difference it was, a difference of 3 fps isn't much and almost not noticible. And then you have the cost difference...
But don't let this become a flame war, intel is better but not by much and the cost is higher. I'm going to build a amd based build because I'm using those extra cores for videoediting, an i7 intel build is 150,- more.


Yeah if you're editing or doing anything that utilizes eight cores, then the AMD is better. I don't do editing at all, so I generally prefer Intel.
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June 10, 2013 3:27:54 AM

hafijur said:
Also single threaded and dual threaded performance of an fx8350 is on par with like a 2.2ghz core 2 duo. No wonder it feels like a low end product. AMD really need to stop with this more cores business as its inefficient and slow for most basic tasks. Theres a reason why most phenom 2 users feel the fx series cpu is a lot slower as the older phenom 2 series had like 2x faster single or dual threaded performance over these fx series cpu.


This is a bit exaggerated, the single core performance is actually better (not by much though). Also if they just increase the single core performance to the same level as the i5's and no one would buy an i5 anymore(if the amd cpu would cost less)
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June 10, 2013 3:56:48 AM

hafijur said:
L helps intel have 2x better performance per watt advantage already. Intel could just add 2 more cores if they wanted to as there ipc is a lot better anyway. There architecture already neans 4 core cpu competes against amd 8 core cpu.


They already added 2 cores it's called the i7. But the i7 is 100+ more expensive.
And the i5 competes with the fx 8350 in gaming but that's not the only thing a cpu should do there are also people video editing and the fx 8350 is way better then the i5 when it comes down to editing and streaming. If you need those extra cores and seek it on intels side you are forced to go with an i7 wich is way more expensive.
And why is everyone talking about energy cost, it's only as much as one light in your house. Unless the electricity in your country is skyhigh it's never higher then 30,- in a 3 years. Tech is already outdated when you buy it so 3 years is about the time you'll will upgrade.
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June 10, 2013 6:49:39 AM

L Helps said:
hafijur said:
L helps intel have 2x better performance per watt advantage already. Intel could just add 2 more cores if they wanted to as there ipc is a lot better anyway. There architecture already neans 4 core cpu competes against amd 8 core cpu.


They already added 2 cores it's called the i7. But the i7 is 100+ more expensive.
And the i5 competes with the fx 8350 in gaming but that's not the only thing a cpu should do there are also people video editing and the fx 8350 is way better then the i5 when it comes down to editing and streaming. If you need those extra cores and seek it on intels side you are forced to go with an i7 wich is way more expensive.
And why is everyone talking about energy cost, it's only as much as one light in your house. Unless the electricity in your country is skyhigh it's never higher then 30,- in a 3 years. Tech is already outdated when you buy it so 3 years is about the time you'll will upgrade.


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June 10, 2013 6:33:48 PM

Lol my thread got taken over. Anyways, I decided that I will get the i7-3770k and use the extra savings on something else. I might wait a few weeks though, but I am definitely changing to Intel soon. Thanks for the responses.
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June 11, 2013 9:32:54 AM

insanehien said:
Lol my thread got taken over. Anyways, I decided that I will get the i7-3770k and use the extra savings on something else. I might wait a few weeks though, but I am definitely changing to Intel soon. Thanks for the responses.


Solid choice.
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June 17, 2013 12:13:08 PM

Every time someone asks about upgrading people get crazy over Intel vs AMD or AMD vs Intel..
IN MY OPINION (that's a good way to start)
1) Both Intel and AMD make good products and it's up to the customer to choose what is best for his needs.
2) (this goes to Intel fans) If AMD sucks that much Intel chips will keep getting more expensive so pray for more competition.
3) FX 8320-8350 servers its purpose pretty nice for the price..
4) Both Intel and AMD have failed many times..for ex i won't buy a 220W cpu(rumored FX 9650) and i don't want to give 330eu (4770K) for a cpu that runs very hot..
I mean you are getting 330eu for your chip at least use a proper TIM ffs...

I would personally go with an ivy bridge setup
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