Will 4 core cpus be able to handel games from new 8 core consoles?

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Building my first gaming pc and cant help but to consider the fx 8350 as a option seeing as xbox one and ps4 both will be using 8 core systems i know CURRENTLY the intel quad cores perform better for gaming pcs but in the future would a intel quad core be able to handel the 8 core games the ps4 and xbox one will be running? Or is it a better option to get a amd 8 core now
 
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At the moment, if you really want future proof, go with the 8350. Since games on next-gen consoles are built on x86, i think we will see utilization of more threads in games. Also, the 8350 performs on par with the 3570k in current gen games, such as Far Cry 3 and Crysis 3 since Cry Engine 3 is able to utilize more threads.
 
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Future proofing is a moot point. You can't plan a system around it no matter how hard you try. But PCs =/= consoles period. I will repeat that every single time this comes up. A PC is not a console, and a console is not, nor ever will be a PC. Console hardware is made for low power requirements and to meet a certain price point, otherwise it won't sell. In the graphics department the PCs always win. It's like comparing grade school t-ball to the New York Yankees.
 
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i read that they wont be out till like 2014?

 
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Im well aware that a pc beats a console always. But currently your comparing lower core consoles to higher core pcs so OBVIOUSLY they will win.... Now when the consoles get a upgrade to run on more cores will the quad core pcs still be able to play the ported games with the same performance they do now? or will the performance suffer???

Like currently minimum requirements for most pc games is like 2 core or higher well in the future will that raise maybe haveing a quad core only meet minimum requirements?
 
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It isnt truly an 8 core anyway, its 4 physical cores with two logical per physical sharing resources, at lower efficiency. By the time games need more than 4 intel cores to run, that fx8350 will be outclassed, underpowered and obsolete compared to the CPU's built for the games when they release.

If your on a tight budget, go the 8350, it'll last a while, but not because of its 8 cores.

If you have wiggle room, (a decent amount) go for a high end i5, (ivy personally). It will likely outlast the 8350.


Plus the CPU's in PC's can and are, and will be backed up by bigger and better GPU's than the consoles, that can EASILY pick up the slack.
 
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This is kinda the 3 builds im looking at currently
1. http://pcpartpicker.com/user/ForteEXE/saved/1JK6 if i dont oc idk how important ocing is...
2. http://pcpartpicker.com/user/ForteEXE/saved/1JKl if i do oc plus 8 core could help in future consoles (possibly or so i read so i considered this cpu)
3. http://pcpartpicker.com/user/ForteEXE/saved/1JKF This is the 3570k build since its most recommended but to get it i have to get a lower gpu a 7850 instead of the 7870 in the first 2 systems

after rebates im hoping to stay as close to like 850 as possible i still need to buy a monitor mouse keybored internet security and i wana get skyrim for pc too that puts me on like a 1200 budget for everything and after rebates the builds above are like 834-870
 
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I think one thing that is interesting is PS4's unified GDDR5 system memory architecture. I think AMD is starting to move to that type of architecture and currently PC's do not have that. DDR4 will be coming out late '13 / mid '14.
 
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The PCs will always outperform their console equivalents. Always. PCs rely more on the GPU and less on the CPU, where the consoles rely more on the CPU because most consoles the graphics cores are also integrated into the processing cores, similar to the AMD APU. Which is essentially what's going in the new XBOX One and the PS4. An APU will never outperform a dedicated CPU and high-end GPU, nor will it ever come close.

 
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ok thats basicly all i was wondering... most people i know recomend intel quad cores to amd 8350 but i didnt wana buy it cuz its the best now and in the future be unable to play games..... I just wanted to make sure a quad core could still perform well with next gen games
 
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That's not true - CPUs still hold their value when GPUs don't. Lots of people still game on Q6600s and X58 systems. And those are several years old. The CPUs don't really change much from generation to generation. It's the GPUs that do. That's why I always say on a gaming rig that you should put as much money into the GPU as possible.
 
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http://pcpartpicker.com/user/ForteEXE/saved/1JK6.... That build you linked would perform admirably for your budget... It wont overclock much at all, you get what you pay for in that respect.

For your budget, the higher GPU and resulting lower CPU will serve you better than a Higher CPU with lower GPU...

Of course, if you brought the higher CPU (the i5 3570k), it has far more scope for future upgrades, and will outperform the other build over the longer timeframe, PROVIDING that you are willing to replace the graphics card at a later date.

But it should last through the new consoles, beating them at every turn. And if you feel they are catching up in 3-4 years, you can replace the graphics card with a more modern one (ie one from 2016) and put them back in their place.

It could probably be refined, but it would take those better than I, but out of those three builds,
 
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So you think if i went with the 3570k build i could go 3-4 years with medium to high settings in games on the 7850 before needing to upgrade the gpu?

Between the 2 which do you think would be best the 3470 or the 3570k? is the abilty to OC REALY that important to justify the extra 100 dollars after i buy a aftermarket heatsink?

 
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Lord no, it doesnt require that much in aftermarket unless your going extreme..., its not the ability to OC thats important, if all your looking for is to beat the next gen consoles, theres practically no difference , its of the two builds the 3570k had a better motherboard. Give me half an hour, I could probably patch together an inbetween build
 
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Well i ment its 100 dollars for a Heatsink the added cost for the 3570k cpu compared to the 3470 and a better OCing mobo after adding the mobo cpu and heat sink together its about 100 bucks between a OCing pc and a non OCing pc and im not sure if OCing is WORTH the 100 bucks or not....

if i can get away with a pc that DOSENT overclock and still allows me to play all game son a 1080p monitor for like 3-5 yars at meduim to high settings (High being my target but i know consoles play on like mediumd and im used to consoles so i could live with medium) then i realy dont think the extra 100 bucks to OC are worth it....
 
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There have been HUNDREDS of attempts (and just as many fails) to bridge the gap between PCs and consoles since the days of the NES and Sega Genesis. Look at the Panasonic 3DO, Sega Saturn, Apple/Bandai Pippin, the NGAGE, the Phantom, the PS Vita, the list goes on and on. But the truth is it just can't be done. Consoles have to meet a price point. PCs don't. If there's a market for a $1000 GPU, someone will buy it. If there's a market for a $1000 console, no one will buy it.
 
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Your right, it isnt if thats all your looking at, both of those #CPU's should really handle high-ultra/max on current games... which already look better than the next gen consoles..., that $100 is FAR better spent on a better GPU, that is the graphical workhorse for most games, CPU's can run for years (mines been going for about 7 so far (it does need replacing, but thats due to ill treatment, and a pushy father who wont let me rescue it), you just need to replace the GPU's to keep them up with the times.
 
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I dont mind updateing the gpu later thats only a couple hundred if thats all a lower cpu needs but i wouldnt want to need to upgrade the cpu the gpu and a new mobo for a socket change down the road just because i bought a lower cpu now....

if the 3470 can allow me to play games on high setting for the next 3-4 years with playable fps ona 1080p with me doing nothing but getting a better gpu then i would def get it over a pc that can overclock

 
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The i5-4430 is based on a new socket and core, it will last a lot longer than a i5-3470 will.
 
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its also a 3.0 ghz so its slower... and unless what im reading online is incorrect intels next cpus release is using a new socket anyhow iv read the 1155 ivbridge and the 1150 haswell are both dead sockets so i dont see the benifit of spending 10 bucks more on the i5 4430 instead of the 15 3470 which is 3.2 compared to 3.0 is there somthing im missing?

 
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haswell is the new socket... there would be more lifespan on the motherboard *assuming the next release sticks to the socket*

the motherboards are more expensive right now.

purely for beating next gen consoles, its a moot point. haswells really main interest was for enthusiasts, it even dissapointed them with regards OC.
 
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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/154B6

For the purposes of beating the consoles, this wont disappoint. It shares the CPU and GPU... they will undeniably outperform consoles. That GPU runs skyrim at ultra at 70+ fps.

The one major change is the motherboard, for one dollar more, when the time comes to upgrade, you can buy one new high range GPU... or just add a second one of the same, (which will probably be cheaper by then) and still have a pretty awesome performance boost.

Plus the RAM is faster

To me, worth the price, but you could easily slip the RAM down to match price. Heck if you used your build and just transplanted the motherboard from mine it would be much better for you.

I do conceed that the case on the http://pcpartpicker.com/user/ForteEXE/saved/1JK6
is better for cooling, but I couldnt see it on the list :L cases are an aesthetic thing for most, that yours has decent (better than the storm enforcer) cooling. There are probably equals in lower price brackets that would be easier on the eyes... to me.
 
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