Choosing cpu: Hasswell/Ivy/Richland for gaming

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melbinorhino

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Well, right now my current setup is rather outdated (cpu anyways) and I'm really starting to get displeased with my machine.
Specs:
AMD Phenom II x4 B50 @ 3.10 ghz
GTX 660ti GPU Galaxy
MSI 770-G45 motherboard
Rest doesn't matter much.

Anyways, I really want to upgrade my computer, but I also really wanted it to be an intel based machine. I read up on hasswell and it's not all that much as it was thought to be, but interestingly enough they are cheaper than Ivy bridge (in newegg anyways). Now I also read that for gaming, hasswell isn't that much of a boost, since I really don't intend on using the onboard graphics that it has. The reason I'm considering AMD is because it's cheaper and possibly on par, but I really dislike AMD and wish to get it as a last resort. Getting a new CPU would mean a new motherboard which is no problem, but that's the reason why I'm inclined to getting hasswell since I'll have a MOBO with the new socket.

Please leave your thoughts and recommendations, I would really like to have a machine which I could upgrade in the near future with a better cpu than hasswell, but I don't know if I should wait or get hasswell right now. Thank you for your time on reading this and any help is appreciated.
 
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The one bad thing about Haswell is that so far it seems the overclock limit seems to be either 4.3GHz or 4.4GHz. If you are expecting really high OC then you might be a little disappointed since I believe Ivy Bridge tops out at about 4.7GHz. However, Haswell is more powerful than Ivy Bridge, but I believe it is more like 5% based on the overall benchmarks that I have seen rather than 10% which were from preliminary benchmarks. That basically means an i5-4670k OC'ed to 4.4GHz would be equivalent to a 4.62GHz Ivy Bridge CPU.

The biggest benefit is the ability to upgrade to Broadwell which will be using the 14nm die process to shrink down the CPU side. That means lower power consumption and potentially higher clockspeed. Plus Intel will...
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Just go for an ivy or haswell i5, don't bother with i7 as hyper threading doesn't benefit games.

Get a K series if you wish to overclock. (like the i5-3570K)

The only AMD chip that really competes with the i5/i7 is the fx-8350, but it uses much more power (higher TDP) to do so.. and since it is more dependent on having more cores, it doesn't do well in games that aren't optimized for multiple cores.
 
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Well, yeah I am planning on getting an i5 for gaming, but is the hasswell much of a real boost against ivy bridge on gaming? Or is it worth having that new socket on my motherboard for future upgrades? Should have probably included these questions before but oh well, thank you for your time!
 
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1. Everything depends on ur budget my friend. So let us know ur budget 1st. Then we can help u in best way.
2. If u don't want to use onboard graphics then I heard that u can add ur onboard graphics with ur gpu's graphics with lucid virtue.
Thank you.
 
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Budget is no problem, but please be reasonable. If anything, $500-$600 at most with both cpu and mobo, but I wouldn't mind spending a little more than that if it's really worth it. I do intend on getting an SLI motherboard, but that's another discussion haha.
 
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1. Haswell is giving us aprox 10 more% performance in only $20 more. I think it is worth for $20.
2. Haswell gives u chance to upgrade ur CPU to incoming new gen Broadwell 1150 socket. So I think haswell is a better choice.
I hope it helps.
Thank you.
 
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The one bad thing about Haswell is that so far it seems the overclock limit seems to be either 4.3GHz or 4.4GHz. If you are expecting really high OC then you might be a little disappointed since I believe Ivy Bridge tops out at about 4.7GHz. However, Haswell is more powerful than Ivy Bridge, but I believe it is more like 5% based on the overall benchmarks that I have seen rather than 10% which were from preliminary benchmarks. That basically means an i5-4670k OC'ed to 4.4GHz would be equivalent to a 4.62GHz Ivy Bridge CPU.

The biggest benefit is the ability to upgrade to Broadwell which will be using the 14nm die process to shrink down the CPU side. That means lower power consumption and potentially higher clockspeed. Plus Intel will yet again increase IPC (Instructions Per Cycle or Clock) which means Broadwell will be more powerful than Haswell at the same clockspeed. How much will the performance increase be? That is still unknown.

I will say however, that there have been rumors floating around that Broadwell will not be socket 1150 instead they will be BGA. BGA basically means the CPU must be soldered into the motherboard and the CPU and motherboard must be bought as a single unit. But those are just rumors and at least based on an Intel slide from December 2012, there are expected to be socket 1150 Broadwell CPUs.
 
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This is really interesting and was unaware of this. If this rumor were true, would this mean that this is the future for processors? Having to buy them with the combination of the MOBO. If so, there would be two main options: Broadwell will be the same socket as Hasswell and I will be able to upgrade in the future, or it will in fact be welded into the motherboard which will have to be purchased as a bundle. If it's the second option, then I would prefer to not get Broadwell at all. I'm leaning towards getting an intel Hasswell CPU right now since ANYTHING is an upgrade from this 4 year old dual core (unlocked to quad core) cpu. Thank you for your time! Any other answers or information is welcome!
 
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Thank you very much, I don't think I can wait till the second quarter or 2014 for a computer upgrade with all the new games that were announced in E3 yesterday. I'll upgrade to Hasswell since they are not so expensive and save some money later on to upgrade to Broadwell if it's necessary. Again, thank you all for your time and answers!!
 
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