Multiple wireless routers on same SSID

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I'm running a small network at a business. The building is pretty big, so I had to add a second wireless access point to get WIFI to all areas of the building. The wireless repeater is wired directly to my DSL WIFI router/modem. Quite a long run though, and I'm not sure how stable it is.

Anyway, I set both wireless routers to the same SSID on a different channel and deferred all DHCP to my original DSL router/modem.

Some days I'll have problems, other days I'll have none. It's only wireless computers though (and phones) no wired PCs have any connectivity problems.

One laptop in particular is always a pain in the butt, and I think it's because it's trying to connect to the router clean at the other end of the shop, well over 100 meters away through several steel walls and machines. It's odd, once you tell it to connect to the network it shows astounding signal strength (ought to be, the closest wifi point is in the same office) but soon it will show 1 or two bars while still trying to "authenticate." Sometimes it grabs an IP address, sometimes it doesn't, but it's never points to the right subnet or default gateway. Setting these manually makes the internet work occasionally, but windows still throws a fit about some unidentified network.

The close router is a B/G router, but the far away one (the one I think it tries to connect to) is a B/G/N 5GHZ deal. I think it might, on some good days, manage to sense enough of a good signal there to try and jump over to that access point.

I don't want to turn the N band off on the second router, and I'd like to leave it on 5ghz as I think it deals with all the EMF in the shop better.

I've got at least 4 or 5 wireless computers in my office right across the hall and they mine coins 24/7 with uptimes pushing months now. No idea why, but it's only the laptops that have this problem...

I've been through the properties looking for the threshold for switching networks, but the laptops don't seem to have that option like the desktops do. I forget what it's called exactly, but it's on the device manager properties page. Lets you change from b/g/n, lets the PC turn off to save power, etc...

Freaking hate laptops...


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Hi!!!!! First rule of forum: be polite.....

What brand and model are you routers ?

What OS is on laptop ?
One laptop in particular is always a pain in the butt, and I think it's because it's trying to connect to the router clean at the other end of the shop, well over 100 meters away through several steel walls and machines. It's odd, once you tell it to connect to the network it shows astounding signal strength (ought to be, the closest wifi point is in the same office) but soon it will show 1 or two bars while still trying to "authenticate." Sometimes it grabs an IP address, sometimes it doesn't, but it's never points to the right subnet or default gateway. Setting these manually makes the internet work occasionally, but windows still throws a fit about some unidentified network.

Usually happens when the signal is not strong enough or intermittent.
How many bars or % do you get when connected ?

Since I don't know brand and model routers. The best thing to do is the one plug in the modem as router and the second as wireless AP. Then maybe your 2nd router doesn't allow that .

I suggest you get a wireless repeater eg EnGenius EAP9550 Wireless Access Point/Repeater 802.11 b/g/n.

I had hard time until I bought them with wireless at mote.
Needed to get the signal out of the office to the rooms.

I got two enginius repeater with a asus rt-n66u and it has been working great for about 2-3 years now.

Good luck

 

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Be polite? I don't follow. Was I rude?

The brand and models of the routers are irrelevant, as is the OS of the laptop. They are all windows, and the settings for the drivers are the same regardless of windows OS. Some wireless card drivers allow you to turn roaming, or searching for the best signal off, and others don't. The devices that let me do this have no problems at all connecting to the closest router and staying connected to it because I set roaming to disabled. The ones without the disable roaming (usually three or 4 setting, aggressive, moderate, conservative, and disabled. The router will jump to another SSID or channel when the signals are different. On aggressive it will change with only one or two bars signal strength difference, under conservative it waits till it's dang near lost signal to switch. Disabled won't switch till it looses the signal 100%) The reason the laptops try and connect to the far away access point is because they are picking access points based on bandwidth, NOT signal strength.

I already have a wireless repeater except better, it's a hard wired wireless access point. I have full B/G/N bandwidth from it. Repeaters waste a lot of bandwidth, and wouldn't work in my shop anyway. Besides, what good would a repeater do? The laptop is literally 10 feet away from the access point I want it to connect to, but defers to the one 100 meters away.

Turning one of the two wireless access points off is not an option. Why do you think I have two? Signal does not pass through about 20+ machines that are solid cast iron.

Anyway, I made a sort of rudimentary faraday cage from some brass shim stock. This blocks the signal of the second access point making it to the office, yet it still reaches where it needs to. Now the stupid laptop in the office doesn't try and connect to the access point with a mangled weak signal.

The only thing that would solve my problem would be a wireless configuration utility that has settings my drivers don't have. I always rob the drivers straight from the install and put them in manually using windows to manage networks. I despise the bloatware that is called third party wireless configuration utilities.

So, does anyone know of such an app?




 

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FWIW, I didn't see anything in your post that was rude at all.
 

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It's called Roaming Aggressiveness, and I didn't know that was there until you mentioned it. Thank you! My laptop (Dell Vostro, Intel Centrino N-130 card) does have that feature, Advanced tab in dev mgr. Would it be fair to suggest upgrading the wireless card in the laptop that's giving you hell to one that let's you control Roaming Aggressiveness? Or what about simply creating a second SSID? Wouldn't that eliminate your problem once you sort out which ones point where?

I am sorting out my own wireless problems in a split level office where some days we have 15 temps working on tablets and some days there's only 3 of us here. Only a very few of our newest tablets even support 5GHz. Hopefully a second 2.4GHz wireless AP on this lower level will make a difference. This building is an old spool factory with brick walls like a prison. (Except it's nice.) I am debating as to whether it should be a single SSID or if I should make a new SSID for the lower level if/when we get a second wifi router. Probably the same one because I have no control over who grabs which tablet and if they work upstairs or down.
 

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I'm not sure if the wireless card in the laptop could be upgraded or not. It's sort of a bastard dell, bought with vista specifically for the serial port then downgraded to XP to run the transfer software for the machines. It's not a consumer level laptop to start with, so not sure how much I'd have to choose from for a new NIC. The guys walk it to machines to load things though, so it needs to swap SSIDs pretty fluently. I can't stand running over to make it reconnect 4 times a day!

I somewhat recently redid my network though, I have three routers now and all are dual band. Since I've updated all the routers to the same technology the rouge laptop seems to be doing much better. It still has odd glitches every now and again, like not being able to access shared files till you ping the host via IP. Think that might be a computer browser issue though. It always has internet at least, so I guess that's about all it could be. Easy BAT file made fixing that something anyone can do though, so I may just put it off indefinitely!

I have two SSIDS now though, across three routers. The 5g band is a separate SSID, and it doesn't do anywhere near as well in the shop (cnc machine shop 20+ high end Mazak lathes and mills) as I originally thought. All the office computers stay on the 5g, and anything that goes through the shop is 2.4 B/G/N. I don't see any problems with my phone swapping routers, and nobody has mentioned their phone not working either (though they may not even ask, they don't need it for work.) Hopefully you can run those tablets on the same SSID without issues!