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Adding Samsung 840 Pro to Hp Envy 1534 - how to configure?

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June 11, 2013 5:19:43 PM

I recently bought an HP Envy 1534 (with AMD FX-6200 CPU). It has a 1.5 TB HDD. The BIOS came set on RAID and if I try to switch to AHCI, the system does not boot and endlessly tries to repair itself. I have an 840 Pro 256GB SSD on order and plan to clone the HDD (currently with 60GB of data) to the SSD using EaseUS ToDo Backup. After I can boot with just the SSD mounted (I hope with no issue) I will then reformat the HDD, add it, and use it for data storage. I will use the SSD for the OS and all programs/applications. I will also dump all my RAW photo files I plan to actively work on the SSD and then transfer them to the HDD for long term storage. I'm using Windows 8.

A) Will leaving the BIOS set to RAID work in this configuration?
B) Knowing the bulk of my data creation will be dedicated to digital photo files is there any other suggestions how this should be configured?
C) Is resolving the RAID/AHCI issue a must before I try to install the SSD?

I know the fact it is HP and the fact it is an AMD chip adds some complication here. Any thoughts or suggestions (or confirmation that for my needs, this approach should work well) would be appreciated.
a b G Storage
June 11, 2013 5:53:24 PM

As long as you can successfully clone the HDD to the SSD, then just leave the BIOS alone and boot with only the SSD in the system. I just finished replacing the 500 GB HDD on my daughter's Dell 14z laptop with a 240 GB SSD, using Acronis True Image to restore the HDD backup file to the SSD. Upon booting up with the SSD in the system, I got an error that BOOTMGR was missing. If you get this too, just boot up with a Windows install disc of the same version you have, go to Repair, then Tools or whatever you have to in order to get to a command prompt, then type in the following command: bcdboot c:\windows /s c:

This restored the boot manager for me and the system booted up fine upon restart.
a b G Storage
June 11, 2013 5:57:26 PM

Someone who knows more than I do may tell you that before installing the SSD your system should be set to AHCI. If so, I've read that there's a simple registry edit you can make to your system that, on the next reboot, will let you change the BIOS to AHCI and successfully boot into Windows. If you need to, do that first before moving to the SSD. But as far as I know, it isn't required to have SATA access in AHCI mode in order to properly use an SSD in the system. But I could be wrong.

If you want to make the change to AHCI, let me know and I'll look up the info for you and give either a link or the steps.
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a b G Storage
June 11, 2013 6:36:38 PM

There is a way to change it to AHCI within the registry settings, but I would just pull your HDD from the tower and install the OS on the SSD. You will want to keep that drive disconnected from the system while you install the OS on the SSD because if it is connected it will write MBR files to that drive even if it isn't the primary. You will also need to format that HDD before you can use it on that system again. That's the clean way to do it - I have an almost identical setup in my desktop. Using a 256GB Samsung Pro 840 as my OS drive and a 3 TB Seagate HDD for my media storage - it's great because you will have plenty of space for your program files and game files and you can store your video files, audio files and documents on the HDD. Plus, tranferring between drives is incredibly fast.
June 11, 2013 7:01:49 PM

Thanks mbreslin 1954 and game junky. I did see the registry edit option and am on the fence whether to execute it. The clone software I have picked has an "optimize for SSD" check box during the cloning process that supposedly takes care of the issue experienced with HP's where going from a larger HHD to a smaller SSD causes issues... it adjusts for the SSD size.

One last question... Once I clone, then am able to boot with just the SSD attached, how do I then reformat the HHD without having it installed after I have proven the SSD works? I understand that will likely result in the system booting from the HHD despite pointing to the SSD... And then I understand if the OS is running off the HHD the system will not let you reformat it.

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June 11, 2013 7:15:04 PM
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Tseg said:
I recently bought an HP Envy 1534 (with AMD FX-6200 CPU). It has a 1.5 TB HDD. The BIOS came set on RAID and if I try to switch to AHCI, the system does not boot and endlessly tries to repair itself. I have an 840 Pro 256GB SSD on order and plan to clone the HDD (currently with 60GB of data) to the SSD using EaseUS ToDo Backup. After I can boot with just the SSD mounted (I hope with no issue) I will then reformat the HDD, add it, and use it for data storage. I will use the SSD for the OS and all programs/applications. I will also dump all my RAW photo files I plan to actively work on the SSD and then transfer them to the HDD for long term storage. I'm using Windows 8.

A) Will leaving the BIOS set to RAID work in this configuration?
B) Knowing the bulk of my data creation will be dedicated to digital photo files is there any other suggestions how this should be configured?
C) Is resolving the RAID/AHCI issue a must before I try to install the SSD?

I know the fact it is HP and the fact it is an AMD chip adds some complication here. Any thoughts or suggestions (or confirmation that for my needs, this approach should work well) would be appreciated.



If you have a way to connect the SSD to a USB port just use the wizard software that comes with it. I have an 840 Pro 128g and it was a breeze. The wizard software from Samsung will find your drive and ask you if you want to copy it. Literally two clicks later it starts copying all of the data. I bought a cheap hard drive to USB 3.0 connector for $20 off eBay and I was done in a few minutes (copied a full 64g OCZ boot drive). I did not have two change any settings.
a b G Storage
June 11, 2013 7:25:16 PM

"Once I clone, then am able to boot with just the SSD attached, how do I then reformat the HHD without having it installed after I have proven the SSD works?"

Just connect the old HDD after successfully booting with the SSD and shutting down, it should continue to boot from the SSD. If it doesn't, restart the PC and enter BIOS before it starts loading Windows, and set the boot drive priority to be the SSD first. That will solve the issue if it arises.
June 11, 2013 7:53:08 PM

Thanks all. I'll let you know in about 72 hours if your guidance can allow me to change this to "solved". I will use the Samsung software for cloning, I won't mess with the BIOS to try to change to AHCI, and I'll add the HDD after getting the SSD to boot, so I can then format the HDD... Looks good on paper.
a b G Storage
June 11, 2013 8:13:17 PM

I will warn you, AHCI is necessary for a lot of the normal SSD maintenance functions with Win7 (TRIM being the most important). It will run without it, but if you notice a decline in performance it could be linked to issues with not having TRIM enabled.

Good luck
June 12, 2013 2:30:38 PM

Thanks game junky. From some on-line research, I am fairly certain AMD/HP does not support TRIM (did not know before I bought this computer). Maybe someone can confirm otherwise.
a b G Storage
June 12, 2013 3:32:52 PM

My understanding is that Windows 7 provides TRIM support, providing the hardware does not interfere, such as not supporting AHCI mode SATA access.
a b G Storage
June 12, 2013 4:02:31 PM

mbreslin1954 said:
My understanding is that Windows 7 provides TRIM support, providing the hardware does not interfere, such as not supporting AHCI mode SATA access.


Correct - it's a facet of Win7 in conjunction with the controller for the drive.
June 13, 2013 4:01:24 PM

Ok. My SSD will now arrive Monday. I just spent 7 hours Resetting Windows 8 (but now think I could have just Refreshed in 1 hour). Anyway, changed BIOS to AHCI while booting from disk. It worked! My system is now AHCI. I think/hope it will now be an easy process cloning this HHD to the SSD with the Samsung software. I'll now backup this clean install (now that I have again purged the bloat ware).

It now has an AMD SATA controller installed. Should this be of any concern related to having a functioning TRIM?
a b G Storage
June 13, 2013 4:23:54 PM

No. It has an AMD SATA controller (driver) installed because the SATA controller on the motherboard (hardware) is an AMD SATA controller. As long as BIOS says the SATA access mode is AHCI then you are all set.
a b G Storage
June 14, 2013 6:08:21 AM

You should be good to go - if the version of Ghost that came with the drive doesn't work as you intended, there are plenty of other options out there. I came across a nice USB to SATA adapter that came with a piece of software that copies just the image of the installed content on the drive instead of doing a full image of the drive. Really handy when you're going from a large HDD to a smaller SSD. Best Buy sells them, but here's a link:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
June 14, 2013 10:44:42 AM

Thanks game junky. Not sure I want to spend $25 for a 1 time event, but agree cloning through the USB looks like an easy process. I'll try cloning with the SSD mounted internally using the Samsung software, and than EaseUS software if there are issues with the Samsung program. We'll know by Monday night how it goes.
June 15, 2013 8:17:01 PM

Good news, bad news, better news! (and some craziness in between)

Out of the blue, my SSD shows up today. Excellent - 2 days early! As planned, I clone using the Samsung software. It goes without a hitch. Then I use Samsung Magician optimization software, only to find my SSD is performing at half the speed it should be... at SATA2 levels vs. SATA 3. I come to find out this is not uncommon with AMD chips/motherboards, despite them being listed as SATA 3 ports. I call the OEM and they basically advise it is my problem! They tell me if I want I can return it where I bought it (despite throwing out the box and all). Lo and behold, the Big Box return policy for computers is 15 days - no questions asked. I had purchased this machine exactly 15 days ago (thank God my SSD arrived early when it did).

After wiping my HDD and removing the SSD I take this system back to the store, cradled in my arms. They asked if I would like an exchange. I knew there was not really anything out there I wanted but I took a peak at the shelf. More good fortune... there is an open box system of a different brand with a 3rd generation I7 and 2T HD + a better GPU and more USB ports... for $77 more than I bought my AMD system. The only downside is it has only 8GB RAM, but I was planning on upgrading any system I got to 32GB so I found this a non-issue (In fact I ordered 32GB RAM on-line earlier in the day before the SSD arrived).

Right after booting it up, I decided to clone. This process did not go so well. I kept getting some defrag error early in the clone process. Some web research advised several things...about cleaning and reformatting the SSD, but I was getting strange write-protect errors I could not overcome.

One thing I read days ago was to do the cloning with no web connection, which is what I had been trying. After a couple of iterations toggling between web research and trying to rerun the program I errantly left on the LAN connection and all of a sudden I get a pop-up that there is a newer version of Magician. I updated the program, and wouldn't you know, that solved my problem... perfect cloning.

In summary, I have the SSD set up for the OS and programs (and its speed outpaces Samsung's recommended performance now!) with my new 2T HDD for data (vs. the previous 1.5T). I have an I7 3.4Ghz vs. the FX6200 3.8Ghz, and the SSD speed after the system swap/upgrade is more than double vs. the old machine with the SSD. And man is this new box smooth and quiet (not that the old was not), particularly thanks to the SSD... and the I7 does not stress as much either. This entire series of events pretty much shot my whole day but...

All's well that ends well. I think I am in a much better place.
a b G Storage
June 15, 2013 8:47:57 PM

game junky said:
mbreslin1954 said:
My understanding is that Windows 7 provides TRIM support, providing the hardware does not interfere, such as not supporting AHCI mode SATA access.


Correct - it's a facet of Win7 in conjunction with the controller for the drive.


Trim works in IDE too, with windows 7. I've tested it on both my comps. And according to microsoft, all you need is software (win 7 or 8) and a SSD that supports trim.

a b G Storage
June 15, 2013 8:54:10 PM

Cloning will only work if you are cloning a drive to install back into the same system or an identical one. You will have to reload windows and then the drivers, etc.
a b G Storage
June 16, 2013 7:01:34 AM

Tseg said:
Good news, bad news, better news! (and some craziness in between)

Out of the blue, my SSD shows up today. Excellent - 2 days early! As planned, I clone using the Samsung software. It goes without a hitch. Then I use Samsung Magician optimization software, only to find my SSD is performing at half the speed it should be... at SATA2 levels vs. SATA 3. I come to find out this is not uncommon with AMD chips/motherboards, despite them being listed as SATA 3 ports. I call the OEM and they basically advise it is my problem! They tell me if I want I can return it where I bought it (despite throwing out the box and all). Lo and behold, the Big Box return policy for computers is 15 days - no questions asked. I had purchased this machine exactly 15 days ago (thank God my SSD arrived early when it did).

After wiping my HDD and removing the SSD I take this system back to the store, cradled in my arms. They asked if I would like an exchange. I knew there was not really anything out there I wanted but I took a peak at the shelf. More good fortune... there is an open box system of a different brand with a 3rd generation I7 and 2T HD + a better GPU and more USB ports... for $77 more than I bought my AMD system. The only downside is it has only 8GB RAM, but I was planning on upgrading any system I got to 32GB so I found this a non-issue (In fact I ordered 32GB RAM on-line earlier in the day before the SSD arrived).

Right after booting it up, I decided to clone. This process did not go so well. I kept getting some defrag error early in the clone process. Some web research advised several things...about cleaning and reformatting the SSD, but I was getting strange write-protect errors I could not overcome.

One thing I read days ago was to do the cloning with no web connection, which is what I had been trying. After a couple of iterations toggling between web research and trying to rerun the program I errantly left on the LAN connection and all of a sudden I get a pop-up that there is a newer version of Magician. I updated the program, and wouldn't you know, that solved my problem... perfect cloning.

In summary, I have the SSD set up for the OS and programs (and its speed outpaces Samsung's recommended performance now!) with my new 2T HDD for data (vs. the previous 1.5T). I have an I7 3.4Ghz vs. the FX6200 3.8Ghz, and the SSD speed after the system swap/upgrade is more than double vs. the old machine with the SSD. And man is this new box smooth and quiet (not that the old was not), particularly thanks to the SSD... and the I7 does not stress as much either. This entire series of events pretty much shot my whole day but...

All's well that ends well. I think I am in a much better place.


lol - sounds about right. Nothing ever goes quite to plan but it sounds like you made out in the end. Glad you're up and running - enjoy the speed
June 16, 2013 7:32:43 AM

game junky, thanks for the support and guidance. I had been using Linux for the past 5 years on a $199 Everex system that I had bumped up RAM to 2 GB, added a 425W power supply and some "top of the line" graphics card for that board (that cost like $35 5 years ago). My photography hobby then came to be and the Windows based RAW conversion software was so much more robust than what I could find in Linux, I decided to make the switch.

Needless to say, this new system is amazing vs. what I had been gimping along with (no pun intended: GIMP - open source photo editor that I like so much I actually use in Windows). When my 32GBs of Vengeance RAM arrives I think I will be complete. No need for a fancy graphics card and cooler to photo edit (I leave the Gaming to my son on his Xbox).

Then I can get back to taking pictures!
a b G Storage
June 16, 2013 9:14:22 AM

Good for you! Looks like I misread the above thread. Was thinking that you cloned a windows drive from a different system? And trim does work in IDE. You will not get the faster R/W speeds in IDE that you get in AHCI. In my system I get about 30% faster R/W rates in AHCI. There is a simple registry & bios tweak that allows you to change settings and boot into either IDE or AHCI. Good luck...
June 16, 2013 10:37:36 AM

Yes spooky2th. I cloned the old AMD computer (which I previously set up for AHCI) and it went perfectly, only to identify the board SATA3 is flawed, not allowing desired SSD speeds. After I returned that system, my new computer with the I7 CPU was already set up for AHCI so wanted to clone that HDD content onto the SSD over top of the content from my cloning it with the AMD system. This is where I ran into a minor glitch that, to the best of my knowledge was a cloning software issue that was corrected by the manufacturer in the update. I've not had to deal with IDE through any of this.
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