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Why is my system not running at its potential?

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June 12, 2013 1:07:41 AM

My cpu is A8-3870k and GPU is 7850. I used monitors and monitored my gpu and cpu usage on this game and both of them aren't even running at near max usage and my game has lag spikes where the fps dips to 30-40fps.

I checked my monitors and for total cpu usage: 61.5% maximum. Gpu utilization: 87% maximum(the actual readings are all 30s, 40s, some 50s percentage. Idk why it's 87%

As you can see, cpu is running at about half of it's power. Also I want to point out on core 0 it is running really intensively with lots of 70s and 80s percent usage at times but all other cores low numbers.

T've seen on youtube people with a 7850 and a crappy amd cpu can run the game at like 60+ fps avg. Is it a game driver issue or something or is there a bottleneck somewhere. I'l upload the readings for cpu and gpu usage as file if you need them.
June 12, 2013 1:24:02 AM

If vertical syncronization is turned on, it will reduce framerate to 30fps when your system can't keep up the 60 fps. Try disabling vsync in game.
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June 12, 2013 1:32:40 AM

You have an APU. They are not fast enough per core to keep up to a HD7850.

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June 12, 2013 1:44:12 AM

csf60 said:
If vertical syncronization is turned on, it will reduce framerate to 30fps when your system can't keep up the 60 fps. Try disabling vsync in game.

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csf60 said:
If vertical syncronization is turned on, it will reduce framerate to 30fps when your system can't keep up the 60 fps. Try disabling vsync in game.


Novuake said:
You have an APU. They are not fast enough per core to keep up to a HD7850.


I know my apu sucks but it's because I upgraded. But should the cpu be decent enough? I don't see any bottlenecking from my monitoring. Also I see an issue. Core 0 is running really intensive at 80-90 percent at times while core 1 2 and 3 are running at 20-40 during the 80-90 percent moments.

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June 12, 2013 1:44:46 AM

Your 3870k will only load 100% in games that support 4 cores CPUs.
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June 12, 2013 1:46:26 AM

Madn3ss795 said:
Your 3870k will only load 100% in games that support 4 cores CPUs.


Ooh, that's helpful. The game I'm running is Warframe. It shows all 4 cores being used though. Core 0 is being used a lot, like 80 percent while core 1 2 and 3 are at 20-40 percent.

This guy on youtube has a 7850 1GB AMD Athlon II X4 640 Processor. I'm pretty sure even my processor is better than that and my 7850 is 2GB and he's running 1080p maxed 85+fps and I'm getting 40-55fps with 30fps dips.
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June 12, 2013 1:49:52 AM

If you plus the total core usages while you play, you'll realize that it barely passes 200%.
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June 12, 2013 1:54:29 AM

Madn3ss795 said:
If you plus the total core usages while you play, you'll realize that it barely passes 200%.


Took a sample and adds to 189. What does that tell me?
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June 12, 2013 1:59:11 AM

It tells that the game you're using to test your system can ultilizes just 2 cores. Small loads on 2 other cores mean the first 2 cores shared a bit of their work with them, or are being used to run background tasks only.
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June 12, 2013 1:59:36 AM

romeodakins said:
Madn3ss795 said:
If you plus the total core usages while you play, you'll realize that it barely passes 200%.


Took a sample and adds to 189. What does that tell me?


That game is only able to use 2 cores. If it were able to use 4, your total should sum up to 300-400%
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June 12, 2013 2:06:07 AM

Here's the log for the monitoring I did
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hp6pt3hp34lot7e/log.CSV

Gpu doesn't seem bad at all, averaging around 40%
Does this mean my cpu is bottlenecking?

Also for my cpu to be truly bottlenecking, does core 0 have to be running at like 95% overall it's in the 70s-low 80s at intensive scenes(where I lag to 30-40fps) I don't get how the people on youtube run this game so good though with crappy processors.
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June 12, 2013 2:09:32 AM

romeodakins said:
Here's the log for the monitoring I did
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hp6pt3hp34lot7e/log.CSV

Gpu doesn't seem bad at all, averaging around 40%
Does this mean my cpu is bottlenecking?


That is exactly what it means. Very few games support more than 2 cores. The fact that core 0 is near maxed makes the bottleneck clear.
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June 12, 2013 2:10:20 AM

A screenshot of task manager would be easier to view, you know...

Anyway, yes, your cpu is bottlenecking the 7850 heavily.
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June 12, 2013 1:41:39 PM

Madn3ss795 said:
A screenshot of task manager would be easier to view, you know...

Anyway, yes, your cpu is bottlenecking the 7850 heavily.


I'll take one in a few minutes.
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June 12, 2013 5:12:18 PM

Madn3ss795 said:
A screenshot of task manager would be easier to view, you know...

Anyway, yes, your cpu is bottlenecking the 7850 heavily.


Took some more pictures
Here's task manager, msi burner for gpu usage, and a monitor program for core usage


This picture shows gpu utilization(which is gpu usage right?) and maximum is 87% which is weird, I didn't see it go that high on msi burner.


I don't understand, shouldn't core 0 and core 1 be running near max? On the task manager, core 0 is working hard but core 1 is working as weak as core 2 and core 3. Core 1 and 2 should be at like 80% right?
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June 12, 2013 5:51:00 PM

Update, something really funky is going on.



As you can see I'm not even in a game yet, no AIs no cpu intensive things going on here and core 0 is reaching for the sky at almost maxed usage.
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June 12, 2013 11:21:21 PM

Weird things here. Try to download Process Explorer and use it to see what program is using the CPU in the background.
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June 12, 2013 11:52:34 PM

Madn3ss795 said:
Weird things here. Try to download Process Explorer and use it to see what program is using the CPU in the background.


I'll try that. When I check my cpu usage right now all cores are at at very low stable usage so I don't think it's a virus or anything.
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June 13, 2013 12:06:23 AM

Madn3ss795 said:
Weird things here. Try to download Process Explorer and use it to see what program is using the CPU in the background.

I used the program here's what showed up.

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June 13, 2013 12:08:38 AM

Eh if your CPU loads when there's game running then what's wrong?
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June 13, 2013 12:17:43 AM

Madn3ss795 said:
Eh if your CPU loads when there's game running then what's wrong?


Here's a better image


Game dips to 46 fps(sometimes 30s) and the process Warframex64.exe is using only 35 percent. That's not even close to maxing out the two cores(50 percent). Also if you look at the task manager, core 1 is being used heavily. So does this game only utilize 1 core? Don't get me wrong the game runs fine but I just want to know if my system is running at it's best because on youtube other people run the game way better than me with nearly the same setup.
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June 13, 2013 12:25:33 AM

Yes it seems like that game can use 1 core only. How's the GPU usage when you play ( use gpuz to know this info )?
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June 13, 2013 12:26:40 AM

Madn3ss795 said:
Yes it seems like that game can use 1 core only. How's the GPU usage when you play ( use gpuz to know this info )?


I used MSI Afterburner and GPU usage barely hits 50% usually in 30-40s. Do you think overclocking my CPU to 3.0ghz to 3.5ghz or higher if needed would help a lot since my cpu is bottlenecking. I want to know if it's worth ocing.
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June 13, 2013 12:29:46 AM

Are you already using highest graphic options for the game? It doesn't seem to be a cpu/gpu intensive game any at all, thou.
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June 13, 2013 1:08:16 AM

Madn3ss795 said:
Are you already using highest graphic options for the game? It doesn't seem to be a cpu/gpu intensive game any at all, thou.


Everything maxed. A person on youtube has the Athlon AMD Athlon II X4 640 Processor and gets 85fps+ avg maxed 1080p. I don't know what's wrong with my system/drivers.
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June 13, 2013 1:10:42 AM

Follor his latest reply, maybe : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvDqpY-c9Mw



"1.) I ran the game at 1080p. Which reduces the bottleneck.

2.) I also overclocked my GPU at 1000ghz as the core clock.

3.) I turned off tessellations for my GPU. This can be done in the AMD Vision - AKA, catalyst center."
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June 13, 2013 7:58:11 AM

if my memory serves me right an APU is an athlon CPU. Try overclocking it like you said. It should help at least a little
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June 13, 2013 11:26:55 AM

Madn3ss795 said:
Follor his latest reply, maybe : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvDqpY-c9Mw



"1.) I ran the game at 1080p. Which reduces the bottleneck.

2.) I also overclocked my GPU at 1000ghz as the core clock.

3.) I turned off tessellations for my GPU. This can be done in the AMD Vision - AKA, catalyst center."


Yeah that's the exact video. I tried the tesselation thing didn't help.
currently I'm trying to find out if OCing is dangerous for me http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1701619/ocing-pu...
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June 17, 2013 9:22:50 PM

Hey can you guys help me again. I have another issue with another game. I am wondering if it is normal.

CPU isn't too heavily used but the GPU is at 70% and the game is at 23fps(It is averaging like 30 though but I moved the camera around really fast to test the framerate)

Shouldn't either the CPU or GPU run at almost max.
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June 17, 2013 9:30:48 PM

You forgot the key here. CPU will only run at its max if that game can utilize all 4 cores. Sadly, Saints row 3 is a poorly coded game and only support 2 cores. Again, your cpu is holding performance here. But you should try to update the game to its latest version first.
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June 18, 2013 12:55:20 PM

Madn3ss795 said:
You forgot the key here. CPU will only run at its max if that game can utilize all 4 cores. Sadly, Saints row 3 is a poorly coded game and only support 2 cores. Again, your cpu is holding performance here. But you should try to update the game to its latest version first.


I know but core 0 and core 1 isn't really that high, it looks like it's running less than 75%
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