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June 13, 2013 8:21:49 PM

Is water cooling safe? like whats the chance it springs a leak? i dont want my whole system trashed cuz of something dum like that

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June 13, 2013 8:28:24 PM

Basically safe, have had some clients, play with it and ruin their rigs, unless you're OCing very high there's no need for it, I use the Hyper 212 EVO alot in builds and have tested it against a number water coolers, my findings on 1156/1155/2011 etc have been that it is equal to or better than the H100 and those under it - and there's better air coolers out there
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June 13, 2013 8:32:03 PM

Tradesman1 said:
Basically safe, have had some clients, play with it and ruin their rigs, unless you're OCing very high there's no need for it, I use the Hyper 212 EVO alot in builds and have tested it against a number water coolers, my findings on 1156/1155/2011 etc have been that it is equal to or better than the H100 and those under it - and there's better air coolers out there
Ok sweet thanks ill just stick with that then

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June 13, 2013 8:41:12 PM

Sounds like a plan, let us know when you get the build done
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June 13, 2013 8:42:21 PM

Tradesman1 said:
Sounds like a plan, let us know when you get the build done


starting to buy now just bought a few parts
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June 13, 2013 11:06:05 PM

Appropriate for pointing out user error is the only safety issue...

There are pros and cons to both. Many decade plus watercool users have never had issue. It is more technical and requires absolute attention to detail. The main benefit of watercooling is acheiving performance far quieter than any air solution. If using advanced custom methods and components, possibly even better OC performance than air could achieve.

Yes, many air coolers perform as well or better than all-in-ones like the H100. AIO kits are a sorry excuse for labeling watercool solutions in reality. Air cooling is safe granted. But so is watercooling if you don't get lazy and actually build it correctly. Personally, been watercooling in some form since 2001 and I would never go back, and never had a leak.
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June 13, 2013 11:22:11 PM

I agree it's good with a good setup, but I've had calls of failures, and the proverbial scream of "What do I do?", I OC most everything I build and take my own fairly high, but, and it just me, have no real need for water... maybe in part because I use my own rigs to test a lot of different CPU coolers
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June 13, 2013 11:35:00 PM

thanks guys :) 
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June 13, 2013 11:36:20 PM

The chances of a custom loop leaking are inversely proportional to the amount of time, effort and research you put into it.
Its all down to you.
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June 13, 2013 11:59:07 PM

Trade... how many of those were ultimately due to a user with a watercooling setup tbey had zero comprehension of, had you build, never touched til they decided to after the fact, and then messed it up? User... every time... fools with money and no brains. Knowledge is the only assurance.
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June 14, 2013 12:37:58 AM

Think there were a couple of simple hose failures, think one a radiator crack, all have been on the user - te very few I have built, I tell them flat out, if they open the case, don't call me if they have a problem with it. If they want a DRAM or video card, bring me the rig, I'll do it for free, I simply don't want them touching water cooling if I put it together, if it goes, could waste mobo, CPU, who knows
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June 14, 2013 1:10:10 AM

Tradesman1 said:
Think there were a couple of simple hose failures, think one a radiator crack, all have been on the user - te very few I have built, I tell them flat out, if they open the case, don't call me if they have a problem with it. If they want a DRAM or video card, bring me the rig, I'll do it for free, I simply don't want them touching water cooling if I put it together, if it goes, could waste mobo, CPU, who knows
ill stick with air lol

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June 14, 2013 7:46:18 AM

That's what I do, keep in touch with updates
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June 14, 2013 12:25:47 PM

Tradesman1 said:
That's what I do, keep in touch with updates

Still very undecided lol on what cpu im getting the rest i basicly got picked
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June 14, 2013 12:53:12 PM

What all do you do, and better any plans for additional use like getting into video, images, etc. Also what mobo did you decide on, can possibly offer some insight towards CPU
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June 14, 2013 1:28:46 PM

Tradesman1 said:
What all do you do, and better any plans for additional use like getting into video, images, etc. Also what mobo did you decide on, can possibly offer some insight towards CPU
havent yet still deciding on a cpu lol depending on which one of them i get the mobo can change alot

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June 14, 2013 1:43:43 PM

Well for GPs, and an all round system, I'd suggest the 1155 or 1150 socket with an i5 (one of the K models, if your apps, etc use Hyper threading than a i7 K model
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June 14, 2013 1:56:54 PM

Tradesman1 said:
Well for GPs, and an all round system, I'd suggest the 1155 or 1150 socket with an i5 (one of the K models, if your apps, etc use Hyper threading than a i7 K model
im mainly doing gameing other then that im looking at basic internet stuff im looking at xf 8350 and 3470 and 3570k. Im not sure if i want to co this is my first pc and im scared the ill damage the cpu and id like this computer to last as long as possible without needing to upgrade much other then a gpu im mostly recommended the 3570k cuz they say even tho i dont want to OC now i might later, im mainly looking at 3470 cuz its a non ocing version and still beats the 8350 at stock speeds and if i dotn oc stock speeds what matters, an im looking at 8350 cuz of possible better future proofing with consoles now using x86 8 core technology

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June 14, 2013 2:06:11 PM

I'd say the 3570K, hands down, just getting going, there's no need to OC, then when you do, can go up a little at time, or just take a big jump...plenty of power, puts the 8350 to shame
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June 14, 2013 2:25:58 PM

Tradesman1 said:
I'd say the 3570K, hands down, just getting going, there's no need to OC, then when you do, can go up a little at time, or just take a big jump...plenty of power, puts the 8350 to shame


yea thats my main build im kinda looking tbh just cuz its recommended the most right now but in my gut like just a hunch or a feeling i feel like i should go with amd it might sound dumb haha but idk i just feel there the better choce for future proof as well as i think i rather have it but my brain still says intel cuz it runs cooler.... generaly has fewer issues, the company is bigger so probly better costomer service, there faster, just so much stuff points that there the smarter choice and i know i should trust the statistics not my gut feeling
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June 14, 2013 2:43:20 PM

Don't know if it helps any, but as far as future proofing the 8350 is about on a par with a 2500K or a second gen (i5) intel CPU (not even going to the i7s), the 3570K is 3rd gen i5 Intel and it runs circles around the 8350 in just about everything but video rendering, also handles more and faster DRAM,, then today there is the 4thGen i5 the 4670 which is 10-15% MORE powerful than the 3570K.....Also on past performance AMD said the 8150 would top the 2500K - not close, said the 8350 would top the 3570K - again another ooops, their track record just isn't there, when their next one comes out it might top the 3570K, but I wouldn't hold my breath and Intel already has their next line Broadwell mapped out (for 2014) to be followed by Skylake and skymont.....
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June 14, 2013 11:21:19 PM

Tradesman1 said:
Don't know if it helps any, but as far as future proofing the 8350 is about on a par with a 2500K or a second gen (i5) intel CPU (not even going to the i7s), the 3570K is 3rd gen i5 Intel and it runs circles around the 8350 in just about everything but video rendering, also handles more and faster DRAM,, then today there is the 4thGen i5 the 4670 which is 10-15% MORE powerful than the 3570K.....Also on past performance AMD said the 8150 would top the 2500K - not close, said the 8350 would top the 3570K - again another ooops, their track record just isn't there, when their next one comes out it might top the 3570K, but I wouldn't hold my breath and Intel already has their next line Broadwell mapped out (for 2014) to be followed by Skylake and skymont.....
kinda sucks intel changes there socket so much

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June 14, 2013 11:40:15 PM

Want a fun answer? Yes and no...how's that? Yes it kind of sucks, but there's a method behind their madness, As each new line of mobos comes out they are coming out with with a new set that is meant to take into account upcoming new technologies, and today it's not only Intel that is pushing the market i.e. DDR3 upon introduction was speced and expected to top out at 1600 and 8GB sticks, with JEDEC dragging their feet to get DDR4 specs out, the DRAM manufacturers have pushed up to 3000 DRAM and already 16 GB sticks are out there. A chipset hit's the market and they think PCI-E 2 will last a while and BOOM, PCI-E3 is here with 4 on the books, USB to USB 2 to USB3 came more rapidly than expected - SATA has progressed faster than expected...so unlike the old days where the Intel socket 775 was around forever, they are looking forward to gains that will come before expected...knowing they will make a change - say with Skylake which they are already working one (it's scheduled to follow Broadwell, which will be Haswell's successor....For most people they can bypass a line of CPUs and still be happy, so your looking a new mobo every couple of years which is for most $100-200 bucks (yes, plenty will spend way more, but for most not needed)
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