IS haswell cpu's worth it?

Forte EXE

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Also are there going to be more 1150 socket cpus int he future? I hear rumors the 1150 is already a deadsocket that there next ones are using a dif socket is this true?
 
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Corsair contracts Seasonic and Channelwell to manufacture it's psus. Seasonic are one of the best in the business. Channelwell are also good but probably not at par with seasonic. I do not know which of these makes the CX series.

I know that CX series is not popular with extreme overclockers(AX series is..) but those are also not targetted at OC'ers in the first place. For a regular gaming desktop, they will be adequate.

2-3 years back, Rosewill were struggling to establish their name but are now proven reliable. Frankly, all the psus we've discussed so far in this thread will be able to power up your system with no problem. between the cx green series and the rosewill, I'll pick the rosewill (It's MTBF, Mean Time Between Failure) is...
There will be i3, Pentium and celeron haswell CPUs in the near future. Some motherboard manufacturers already addressed this.

Next one, Skylake, will most likely ultilize another socket. ( Intel's roadmap places Broadwell after Haswell, but there's big rumor that Broadwell will be for laptops and tablets only due to its BGA packaging )
 

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It's really not worth the cost because it's really a side grade as in the performance difference is negligible. SB is the best.
 

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i keep hearign that... i think im just going to go with a 3470 i was realy wanting to go with amd but i dont think ill be overclocking alot it scares me and i want my pc to last and i already know that amd runs hotter. And if im NOT going to oc realy no use in getting a amd processor since without ocing intel beats it in just about every benchmark iv seen.

im realy new to pcs so i might look into ocing more and get one next time i upgrade in the future
 

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Going by every benchmark iv seen done at stock speeds without any ocing intel beats the amd equivlent processor everytime. Seeing as i dont plan to oc why should i get amd then?

 

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Yup I would say that the stock non OCed FX8350 is competitive with Intel in the vast majority of games. Intel has a slight edge in that some games have the crappy Intel compiler that makes the game slower when AMD hardware is detected but then again you have to pay more for Intel so AMD is much better value for money.
 

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Wow! Haswell not worth? Why? I think it still worth though Haswell probably could be failure in this gen, but motherboard, its way better than older generation, there also cheap and good haswell board, like G1 Sniper M5, better than M3, now with Killer LAN, whatever the name is. IMO, just wait till it drop price!
 

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Yes they are worth it. Even though it is a " Tock" in Intel speak, Haswell was not intended to dramatically improve the computation power of the cpu core. The target was better integrated graphics and improved power efficiency. Haswell chips especially in the notebook segment achieve this and Iris and Iris pro integrated graphic solutions are doing a great job.

As for compute power refer to an AnandTech comparo or an xbit review and indeed haswell is not a major improvement in this department but still is faster. a 14 second improvement over a 3770K by a 4770K in sorensen squeeze pro does mean something.

There are always some people who start calling an Intel socket "dead" as soon as the first cpu from that socket is announced. I fail to understand the kind of upgrade path people look for over say a 2600K when it will easily feed most of the top end GPUs out their in multi gpu set ups (there is an article comparing an 8350 and a 3770K running a 7970 CFX set up i think and both of the cpus actually struggled a bit)and will not bottle neck in games yet to to be released and those which would be released in coming 4-5 years.

Most people build a machine going for the best cpu that their budget allows for and then using the rest of the budget to buy parts that can be updated later. And most such people do not worry about upgrade path that much. Not to mention, a board one buys today, will badly cap the potential of a cpu one would buy say 4 years down the line. For every new socket, Intel releases plenty cpus so that it can address as many price points and you are ensured that unless you buy the absolute top of the line available cpu from a particular socket design, you will have an "upgrade path".

Forte, I believe you should not listen to people saying 1150 is a dead socket or that 4770K is not worth it. Yes, a comparable SB cpu will give comparable performance in most day to day stuff including gaming and you can decide which cpu to go with but haswell is definitely not a failure and is better than previous architectures. then again, that's just my opinion.

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This will be my first pc and iv been asking ALOT of questions watching ALOT of videos and i feel the more i ask the more i learn the more confused i become so many different opinions....and so many difrent benchark results or test results or w/e

MY main thing i want is a pc thats able to play games for the next 3-5 years without any upgrades other then maybe a better gpu if its super needed. Im used to console game and from what i gather that means compared to pc im used to about 30 fps and medium settings???. My budget right now is 1200 thats including internet security and 1 game (skyrim) a monitor and mouse and keybored iv figured about 300 for that stuff so im looking at like 900 for a computer im just so confused to put in it
 

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1. CPU
2. mobo
3. Ram
4. GPU
5. HDD
6. PSU
7. Case
8. OS
9. optical drive

all for like 900-950 if i realy had to stretch it and would like it to last a good 3 -4 years before sinking anymore money into it but still being able to play games

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iv made a few mock ups myself of what i can probly fit in my price range just dont know if im getting to much cpu or too much gpu or not enough of one or the other for what i want

 

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http://pcpartpicker.com/user/ForteEXE/saved/1LqF
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the case chosen in them isint the one i plan to buy this is
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pcpicker just dosent have this one on there so i chose a second one i kinda liked around the same price i like this enermax one and cooler master one cuz it has removable harddrive trays for extra long gpus so in the futur eif i upgrade my gpu length wont be a issue

edit im just not sure what exactly is best for future games comming out since new consoles are using 8 cores as well as if a 7850 gpu is enough or if i should get a 7870 i know skyrims one of the major things i wana play and it says a 7850 can play it at high settings idk about other games tho

 

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I've only seen an actual 3% to 5% CPU differentiation using a sandy-bridge i7 and a Haswell. As for FPS its also around 3-5 FPS more in a game like Crysis or Planetside2. I'd personally say wait for it to become practical and cheap because the 2% more CPU power and 3-5 fps boost isn't worth the costs. Although I've heard it uses less power (wattage?).
-James
 

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Check this out, add SSD, the motherboard could be little pricey, you could lower it to Asrock Z77 Pro3 (this system is for slight overclock user), if not, other good B75 or H77 will suit you, I have no idea with these kind of board:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($55.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Plextor M5P Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($169.00 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master Storm Enforcer ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $953.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-14 08:23 EDT-0400)
 

satyamdubey

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planer's suggestion is good but you do not need a hyper tx3 with that cpu. Stock cpu would be just fine.

Have you checked out the combo sections at newegg. I do not know whether you can get stuff from newegg or not. but they've got some good deals there.
 

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Would that cpu gpu combo last me a while? and how important is a ssd iv only midly looked into them

 

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SSD's are not an absolute must though they would speed up your system but not game play. I could come up with a build for around $1200 with everything minus the OS. Since I am in office right now, I wont be able to upload it. Will do that as soon as I get home.
 

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id need the os to be included in the price i dont have a os currently and will be buying one, what do you think it best 7 or 8?