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AMD FX-6100 (or FX-6300) vs Intel i3-3220 (or i3-3225) + other general questions

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June 14, 2013 5:05:49 PM

I didn't know exactly where to stick this thread because I have quite a few of questions, being new to PC building. So bear with me.

Alright, so I've been working on coming up with a decent gaming rig @ ~$600-$700. That being said, I've been debating between these four processors quite a bit, and I'd like some insight as to what would be better. My assumption is that the Intel processors would be better suited for gaming considering the fact they have less cores that are more powerful, whereas the AMD processors have more cores that aren't as fast, and games aren't heavily threaded as a general rule. Also, I heard some mumbo-jumbo about the FX-6100 not truly being a six-core processor, something to do with it having six modules, not six cores.

In addition to a recommendation for the CPU, can you guys recommend a motherboard for the respective CPU you think is better? Keep it budget-oriented, as that's the focus of the build.

Also, will any of these processors bottleneck a GTX 650 Ti Boost (2GB) gpu? If it helps at all to know, I will be gaming at 1600x1200.

..ALSO, will a 500W psu be enough power for the gtx 650 boost and one of these processors, with a single 1 TB HDD and 8GB of RAM?



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June 14, 2013 5:10:51 PM

This build should fit your needs:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($71.20 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($169.00 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $598.11

Alternatively:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($71.20 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB Video Card ($263.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $703.09
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June 14, 2013 5:13:49 PM

thank you a ton for the build, but can you explain some of the questions i asked too? part of this is also a thirst for knowledge, i wanna know how this stuff works, like the 6-core vs dual-core hyperthreaded, and its implications for gaming, that kind of stuff.

oh, I should add that I will be playing pretty graphics-intensive games, but I'm okay with medium-high settings in most situations. some examples are Planetside 2, Far Cry 3, etc. I also like CPU-intensive games like Civ 5.
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June 14, 2013 5:39:25 PM

I have been an AMD fan for 20 years, until the iCore series came out from Intel. Until I saw what a i5 and my now i7 can do in comparison (besides all the independent testing numbers I read as well) I abandoned AMD a while ago. They don't have a decent chipset anymore in comparision, and I wouldn't bother with a i3 for gaming, that is entry level iCore, stick with i5 minumum, better yet i7.

That said, I noticed that things have topped out, so you don't need a custom rig to play perse. You can score a decent priced i7 rig (even as a laptop with a good video card) then just add power and video card after the fact. Parts are more expensive then pre-built on the shelf systems.

I am running a i7 core, which is 4 phsyical cores that each have two paths per core, thus act like 8cores (and show as 8 individual cores) as each path addresses ONE row of memory. AMD went a different route and fails in all testing in comparision especially gaming.
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June 14, 2013 5:43:38 PM

I'm not really sure about amd chips, but I can say you defiantly want at least a quad core cpu. That means, minimum i5 for intel ~200ish. Otherwise your cpu will bottleneck your gpu. Hyperthreading does not have any affect on games, many charts are floating around the internet showing +/- 2 fps.
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June 14, 2013 5:50:52 PM

Tom Tancredi said:
I have been an AMD fan for 20 years, until the iCore series came out from Intel. Until I saw what a i5 and my now i7 can do in comparison (besides all the independent testing numbers I read as well) I abandoned AMD a while ago. They don't have a decent chipset anymore in comparision, and I wouldn't bother with a i3 for gaming, that is entry level iCore, stick with i5 minumum, better yet i7.

That said, I noticed that things have topped out, so you don't need a custom rig to play perse. You can score a decent priced i7 rig (even as a laptop with a good video card) then just add power and video card after the fact. Parts are more expensive then pre-built on the shelf systems.

I am running a i7 core, which is 4 phsyical cores that each have two paths per core, thus act like 8cores (and show as 8 individual cores) as each path addresses ONE row of memory. AMD went a different route and fails in all testing in comparision especially gaming.


So much wrong with that I don't know where to begin. If you are going super low end then yes I agree parting it out is more expensive then buying a whole system, absolutely. Though for a system like this its just much cheaper to grab what he needs instead of buying a whole set and replacing a couple of things. Not to mention the feature set you get from OEM motherboards is extremely lacking, 0 overclocking, cheap horrid cases with little to no expandability, bad thermals to say the least, etc.

I doubt you are running an 8 core i7 (3930x) as those are extremely pricey and on the x79 chipset. I really don't even think you can compare any i7 to an 8320 as the price ranges are so vastly different. The 8320 costs almost half of the cheapest i7... The extra 2 virtual cores you get with the i7 do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for gaming.

Edit: wait 8 core i7... I'm positive you don't have one of those because they don't make them. (I was thinking 6 core when I read 8)
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June 14, 2013 5:52:46 PM

I have a FX-6100 teamed with a 560gtx and I play BF3 maxxed out, a FX-6300 shit on my cpu and is only about $140, alot cheaper then an i5 and in benchmarks it has done really well, you want a budget build, AMD is where its at at the moment, new games like farcry 3 and crysis 3 can use the multi cores so its worth it, a year or 2 ago the only game that scaled well across multiple cores was BF3, now heaps of games do it with more coming out it's the smart option
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June 14, 2013 5:54:31 PM

There's a few reasons I don't wanna get an i5.
If I do get one, I'm probably going to have to cut down on the graphics card, making an i5 pointless. I don't want to cut money out things like the motherboard or psu because I don't want something failing and ruining the more expensive parts anyway.
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June 14, 2013 5:57:33 PM

Do you stream or record video? If so get the 8320 as it is faster in this situation. (not to mention cheaper) (video streaming/recording is heavily multithreaded)
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June 14, 2013 5:58:20 PM

miamor said:
thank you a ton for the build, but can you explain some of the questions i asked too? part of this is also a thirst for knowledge, i wanna know how this stuff works, like the 6-core vs dual-core hyperthreaded, and its implications for gaming, that kind of stuff.

oh, I should add that I will be playing pretty graphics-intensive games, but I'm okay with medium-high settings in most situations. some examples are Planetside 2, Far Cry 3, etc. I also like CPU-intensive games like Civ 5.


There should be no bottlenecks with either build and you should be able to play those games on high settings without any issues.

Hyperthreading provides you two virtual cores for each core. Most modern games have started utilizing multiple cores so going with the FX-6300 is a much better choice. If you would like more details, I would be happy to provide you with links to some light reading :) 
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June 14, 2013 6:01:18 PM

slomo4sho said:

Hyperthreading provides you two virtual cores for each core. Most modern games have started utilizing multiple cores so going with the FX-6300 is a much better choice. If you would like more details, I would be happy to provide you with links to some light reading :) 


that'd be much appreciated. i'm still very conflicted, because my personal friend is telling me that a lower end i5 will last me longer in the end, but i really would be pushing my budget at that point. i'm trying to avoid the fanboy-ism as much as i can in this comparison, but it seems inevitable. i, for one, have very little bias considering i'm inexperienced. i just want something that will set me up for gaming for a few years.
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June 14, 2013 6:04:13 PM

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Do you stream or record video? If so get the 8320 as it is faster in this situation. (not to mention cheaper) (video streaming/recording is heavily multithreaded)



beyond some minor livestreams, no. this is primarily a gaming rig, and i understand that very few games leverage the additional cores at this point, but, it seems like we're heading towards that changing.

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June 14, 2013 7:46:22 PM

miamor said:

that'd be much appreciated. i'm still very conflicted, because my personal friend is telling me that a lower end i5 will last me longer in the end, but i really would be pushing my budget at that point. i'm trying to avoid the fanboy-ism as much as i can in this comparison, but it seems inevitable. i, for one, have very little bias considering i'm inexperienced. i just want something that will set me up for gaming for a few years.


At the same price point, the 6 core unlocked FX-6300 provides higher utility and longevity than the i3. Although at stock speeds, the i3 has better single thread performance, this advantage is nullified if the FX-6300 is overclocked or if the game/program can utilize all the available threads.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6985/choosing-a-gaming-cp...

http://www.techbuyersguru.com/CPUgaming.php

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-a...

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2274887

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-processor-fr...

http://www.redgamingtech.com/going-wide-multi-core-cpus...



Consider the following for an Intel build (the AMD build above with the 660 Ti would provide better gaming performance at the same price point):
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($182.98 @ Outlet PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI B85-G41 PC Mate ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($71.20 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($169.00 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill Challenger-U3 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $681.11
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