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June 14, 2013 8:33:26 PM

Hi,

I plan on building a new system, and I just wanted to run it by these forums to see if I'm on the right path or not.

Here's a link to the parts:
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Sedare/saved/1LPe

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($279.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Enermax ETS-T40-VD 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-DELUXE/DUAL ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($322.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($254.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($209.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($659.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($659.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Xigmatek CLF-F1454 60.5 CFM 140mm Fan ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Xigmatek CLF-F1454 60.5 CFM 140mm Fan ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Xigmatek CLF-F1454 60.5 CFM 140mm Fan ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Xigmatek CLF-F1451 60.5 CFM 140mm Fan ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: OCZ ZX 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($55.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Professional (OEM) (64-bit) ($130.55 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor ($599.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $3662.34
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-14 23:40 EDT-0400)

Please note the GPUs I plan on buying will be the EVGA Superclocked ones (Out of stock seemingly) and the plethora of fans are to supplement the case. :) 

Regarding the Operating system--I wanted to give Windows 8 a chance. I have 7 on my work computer, so I'd like to familiarize myself with 8. I've read on Tom's that it may be a bit more efficient in areas. I know it's a horrible interface for a PC, but I figure I can get used to it.

Thanks for your input and suggestions.

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a b 4 Gaming
June 14, 2013 8:39:19 PM

1. What is the build for? Without knowing this, I cannot begin to help.

2. You do not need that many fans. More fans blowing at different directions do not improve cooling. It causes more turbulence and results in very poor airflow. It is simple physics.
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June 14, 2013 8:43:23 PM

ksham said:
1. What is the build for? Without knowing this, I cannot begin to help.

2. You do not need that many fans. More fans blowing at different directions do not improve cooling. It causes more turbulence and results in very poor airflow. It is simple physics.


Sorry about that. I put a note in the partpicker build at the bottom. I'll post here too. This build will primarily be for three things: Gaming, Graphic/Web design and 3D modeling (more of a hobby compared to the Graphic and Web Design).

Thanks for the tip on the fans. I'll shave costs by removing some. I just wanted to fill some spots in the case.
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a b 4 Gaming
June 14, 2013 8:48:55 PM

How many monitors will you be gaming on? And at what resolution?
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June 14, 2013 8:52:47 PM

Honestly hadn't thought about it. I was just going to go with 1 monitor at first, the Asus 27" at 2560 x 1440. I suppose if only on 1 monitor then going SLI is probably overkill huh?
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a b 4 Gaming
June 14, 2013 8:55:52 PM

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($279.99 @ Microcenter)
----good
CPU Cooler: Enermax ETS-T40-VD 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.98 @ Outlet PC)
----your choice but if you overclock go with a corsair h100i or other loop.
Motherboard: Asus Z87-DELUXE/DUAL ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($322.98 @ SuperBiiz)
----have you looked at the maximus vi hero? good board also.
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($254.99 @ Newegg)
----this is too excessive for gaming however good for high mem use apps
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($209.99 @ NCIX US)
----this doesnt affect gaming but does speed up system performance
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($129.99 @ Amazon)
----high capacity drives like this fail often. you would be better off with two 1tb drives
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($659.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($659.99 @ Amazon)
----for gaming? at what resolution? should be fine for that in most cases
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
----i would suggest looking at full tower cases with open airflow. much better than a mid tower
Case Fan: Xigmatek CLF-F1454 60.5 CFM 140mm Fan ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Xigmatek CLF-F1454 60.5 CFM 140mm Fan ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Xigmatek CLF-F1454 60.5 CFM 140mm Fan ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Xigmatek CLF-F1454 60.5 CFM 140mm Fan ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Xigmatek CLF-F1451 60.5 CFM 140mm Fan ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Xigmatek CLF-F1451 60.5 CFM 140mm Fan ($12.99 @ Newegg)
----does the case come with fans already?
Power Supply: OCZ ZX 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($139.99 @ Newegg)
----go with the corsair hx850 instead.
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($55.98 @ Outlet PC)
----your choice
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Professional (OEM) (64-bit) ($130.55 @ Amazon)
----i dont suggest win8. i've had to deal with it on my brothers new laptop and its a virtual nightmare. its not just the interface either but some core features of win8. of course th is is your choice.
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor ($599.99 @ Amazon)
-----your choice but i suggest reading the monitor sticky guide in the perepherals subsection.
Total: $3662.34
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-14 23:40 EDT-0400)

as ksham stated we need to know what you hope to accomplish with this build.

for a budget of $3660 (the total) you can accomplish quite alot...

you could create an overkill system on a 2560x1440 monitor or you could use the money and create an all around setup like i use...

i have a nice home theater system and big screen television hooked up and i can say its very nice!





again.. let us know your thoughts on what you expect or what you would like and we can get back to you on what work work best.

your build seems a bit overkill unless you plan on maxing out cryis style game with absolute max settings at 2560x1440. even then... thats alot of money to spend on just gaming without much attention to details like your perepherals or speakers.

we can help on that too.
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a b 4 Gaming
June 14, 2013 8:58:54 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($349.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE_BK 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($178.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($209.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($659.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($56.23 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($90.91 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" Monitor ($599.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2615.53
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)


According to TechPowerUp reviews on the GTX 780, it alone can max out the majority of games today on 2560x1440. The Crysis series, Far Cry 3, and a few others will give issues at 4xAA but you can turn that down or just not play on ultra. It's a very powerful card in its own right.

Moving on, I got you a top-notch air cooler that is capable of handling up to high overclocking. Split the 3TB drive into two 2TB ones. I prefer this route because you can use different drives or partitions for different storage. That way, if one dies, you don't lose near 3TB worth of data. You can also add another HDD for a nominal fee in RAID setup. Each one is relatively cheap and so it is more cost-effective to replace.

Personal preference-wise, I would prefer Windows 7. It still has better support for what you're doing.
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a b 4 Gaming
June 14, 2013 9:04:36 PM

@ksham

shouldnt youb e going with wd caviar blacks? they have 5 year warranties but the blues have 2 years (they cut it down from 3)
the tx isnt as good as the hx psu also
when you start getting that high end in air its worth looking at some lower end corsair cpu loops


just saying....
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a b 4 Gaming
June 14, 2013 9:12:30 PM

ssddx said:
shouldnt youb e going with wd caviar blacks? they have 5 year warranties but the blues have 2 years (they cut it down from 3)

WD have and had been great to me. I have not had any failures with them yet outside of one external HDD. So I trust them and their Blue line.


ssddx said:
the tx isnt as good as the hx psu also

That is true. But the only real difference comes from the efficiency rating. You save about $2-$3 a month between a Bronze and a Gold. So at a cost of about $35 difference between the TX and HX, it will take about a year to pay it off. It's kind of negligible IMO. Also, I can't find a HX650 and anything higher is made by Channel Well instead of SeaSonic.


ssddx said:
when you start getting that high end in air its worth looking at some lower end corsair cpu loops

Maybe. But if you ever get that high, you may as well skip to water cooling.
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a b 4 Gaming
June 14, 2013 9:16:32 PM

i've had replacement high capacity wd drives fail in as little as 3 days. its highly worthwhile to go for the warranty. just saying..

i've heard of some reliability issues with tx...but not with the hx line which is why i list the hx line. its in the budget so no use cheaping out.

corsair cpu cooling loops are water cooling. a "real" cpu cooling loop as the pros would say is going to cost alot more than just $100 and isnt really practical at all. the corsair loops are practical. a bit of opinion and a bit of fact...

not trying to argue or anything but things arent always black and white... even with what i recommend myself.
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June 14, 2013 9:23:30 PM

Thanks for the advice all. I'll definitely read the guide you mentioned.

I like that aircooler and your advice on the 2 2 TB drives is sound. Do you prefer WD over Seagate? I've only ever used Seagate for the most part and have had 0 issues. I may go with a less expensive mobo, but I do like what the ASUS offers. I guess it will be a battle between features, luxury, and price.

I've tweaked the build some to take a lot of your advice. I'll continue to do so tomorrow (time for bed!).
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a b 4 Gaming
June 14, 2013 9:38:30 PM

ssddx said:
i've had replacement high capacity wd drives fail in as little as 3 days. its highly worthwhile to go for the warranty. just saying..

It happens to the best of us. Not that the warranty would help you recover data. You'll probably lose the warranty slip or something over the course of 5 years.


ssddx said:
i've heard of some reliability issues with tx...but not with the hx line which is why i list the hx line. its in the budget so no use cheaping out.

The TX that I chose is made by SeaSonic. As far as I am concerned, they are as reliable as it gets.


ssddx said:
corsair cpu cooling loops are water cooling. a "real" cpu cooling loop as the pros would say is going to cost alot more than just $100 and isnt really practical at all. the corsair loops are practical. a bit of opinion and a bit of fact...

Incorrect. The Corsair CLC are liquid coolers, not water coolers. It does not use water but rather a market coolant. While water classifies as a liquid, a liquid is not necessarily water.


ssddx said:
not trying to argue or anything but things arent always black and white... even with what i recommend myself.

It's healthy to disagree. :)  It tends to help out and re-examine the situation. No one is perfect.


Sedare said:
Do you prefer WD over Seagate?

Yes. I've had more Seagate drives fail. But if you have better luck with Seagate, go with it. To each his/her own.


Sedare said:
I may go with a less expensive mobo, but I do like what the ASUS offers. I guess it will be a battle between features, luxury, and price.

You originally had a $300+ motherboard. The Gigabyte board that I suggested is a very good price/performance motherboard. You can of course go cheaper with an ASRock Z87 Extreme4 or an Asus Z87-K, but the Gigabyte one handles OC better.
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a b 4 Gaming
June 15, 2013 8:19:10 AM

It happens to the best of us. Not that the warranty would help you recover data. You'll probably lose the warranty slip or something over the course of 5 years.
-------the nice thing is that wd ties the warranty to the number listed on the actual drive. no need for warranty slips. granted this doesnt help you recover data but it does save your wallet. i highly recommend the 5 year warranty. you have to pay shipping out... but they pay shipping back.

The TX that I chose is made by SeaSonic. As far as I am concerned, they are as reliable as it gets.
-------i'm just saying that i've "heard" about some reliability issues here on the forum. the HX doesnt have that "heresay" is within budget still and is also gold rated if you go with the 750w which is actually on sale for a good price.

Incorrect. The Corsair CLC are liquid coolers, not water coolers. It does not use water but rather a market coolant. While water classifies as a liquid, a liquid is not necessarily water.
-------a water cooling loop can consist of distilled water or special coolant. while technically not a "water cooling loop" anymore the terms get mixed around. liquid cooling would be the propper terminology. in any case it doesnt really matter.

It's healthy to disagree. It tends to help out and re-examine the situation. No one is perfect.
-------i agree. i just dont want you thinking i'm trying to nitpick everything you say to death. i'm just going off my own experiences and knowledge here.

Yes. I've had more Seagate drives fail. But if you have better luck with Seagate, go with it. To each his/her own.
-------seagate barracuda, western digital caviar black and samsung spinpoint are all the top drives to buy. any one of them is going to be alright in most cases but across the board high capacity drives have a high chance of failure. go with something with a long warranty. i know that wd honors their warranty pretty well and its very easy to rma. i've done it 3x.

You originally had a $300+ motherboard. The Gigabyte board that I suggested is a very good price/performance motherboard. You can of course go cheaper with an ASRock Z87 Extreme4 or an Asus Z87-K, but the Gigabyte one handles OC better.
-------honestly i agree with the asus boards and features. the z87 sabertooth offers similar features to the older z77 sabertooth while the brand new maximus vi hero brings some ROG level features down below $250 which is commendible. of course whether or not you want or need those features is the deciding factor. i personally bought a top of the line asus rampage iii extreme rog for quite a pretty penny in 2010 when i built my system and its been great. i could have went cheaper but i actually use some of the nice extras which came with the board so it works for my purposes.

@op

you still didnt get back to me on what you'd like to do with this system. if you had a $3600 budget you can do quite alot.

or you can just go for a more mainstream tower, monitor and run with that for a lower price.

let me know.
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June 15, 2013 1:09:23 PM

@ssddx: I intend to mainly use the system to check emails and surf the web . . . j/k :D 

I really intend to do graphic and web design(Adobe Creative Suite/Gimp), some 3D modeling (3DS Max/Blender), and of course gaming. I put Gimp and Blender in there as free alternatives and I'd like to learn them as well as the pay versions. I'm into multi-player games but love the single player games too. Hopefully that answers the usage question. :) 

I also try to buy/build systems so that I don't have to rebuild for years. For instance my current rig was built/bought in late 2007 and early 2008. Since I had to replace my amazing 8800GTS with an emergency POS card fun has been limited. I figure it's time for an upgrade and I've been saving my money. :) 

I really like the ASUS board for the AC wireless standard and Thunderbolt (that port will eventually catch on more I think). It has a lot of features that I like and ease of use is always good. If there is a similar version for maybe 100 bucks less, I'm always open to it.
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a b 4 Gaming
June 15, 2013 1:13:43 PM

@Sedare: It would help if you state your budget instead.
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June 15, 2013 1:23:39 PM

My budget is around $3500.00.
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a b 4 Gaming
June 15, 2013 1:27:18 PM

And the build I posted up is already less than that. Even with the changes from @ssddx, it is far less than $3500. Do you need to spend $3500 if you don't need to? So unless I am missing something or you need something else, I don't know what else I can do.
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June 15, 2013 1:37:47 PM

I mainly just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to run into build issues I suppose in terms of the PSU not being enough or the CPU cooler blocking RAM or the case being too small. I've not built a system for sometime, and while I've kept up on the tech, I just don't want to screw anything up. I know I could go for a pre-made, but I like the control and fun of building something and maintaining it.

The part advice you have both given has been very helpful and I've amended the build with it (cost has decreased some just by removing an addition GPU and some case fans).

I'll look again at what you've suggested to keep costs down.

Thank you very much the both of you. :) 
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a b 4 Gaming
June 15, 2013 6:24:52 PM

@op

are you interested in nice perepherals such as a mechanical keyboard, gaming mouse and some nice speakers?

how about a nice monitor?

all of that is definitely in the budget.

an alternative...

you may very well get alot of benefit going with a dell 2560x1600 30" monitor.

i come from a photoshop background (in fact i was good enough to consider freelancing) but ended up in a cadd field where i 3d model for a living. the extra screen real estate can be a godsend. for photoshop a larger single screen in a higher resolution seems to work best however for 3d having two screens side by side of a standard resolution work best.

if you intend to be serious with graphic design you should get an 8 or 10 bit ips panel (read the monitor guide stickied in the perepherals section for info...)

i can put together a very nice build for you but i'd like to know EXACTLY what you need before i do so.

if you would like i could host a free web irc chat channel so that you can have a discussion about it with me in real time. i could then come up with a build that suits you EXACTLY.

let me know.

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June 15, 2013 7:59:23 PM

An IRC channel chat would be great. Can you link me the thread for the displays? I seem to be having trouble finding it.

For chatting just PM me with a day and time that's good for you, channel, and app to download. It's father's day tomorrow, so I may not be able to chat until Monday evening.

As far as keyboards and mice go, I have a logitech G5 (wired) mouse and the 2nd or 1st gen G15 keyboard. I found I never really used all the extra buttons. I think they'll suffice for now, so I don't need to worry about those right now. I think I'll keep them until they crap out on me. :)  I'm rocking a 2.1 Altec Lansing speaker set up from 2003, and again it's plenty good for now. I have a plantronics headset/microphone, so I'm good there as well.

The only other components I'll probably want to look into besides the what I've listed/we've discussed already is a viable back-up solution that's not too exorbitant and a new wireless router that's 802.11ac compliant (when it's standard and not a draft). These can probably wait until the new year IMO. I have an external USB HD I can just manually back things up to.

I definitely agree on the single, bigger, monitor set up. I like those as opposed to multiple monitors. It's kind of why I went with the ASUS monitor. It's bigger than what I have and at a higher resolution than at standard for that size. I think 599 - 699 is all I'm willing to spend on a display, lol.
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a b 4 Gaming
June 15, 2013 8:09:29 PM

how about right now?

http://freenode.net/
click on "webchat"
type your name
channel #ssddx (type it exactly like that including the #)

i have it hosted

edit:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1661174/parts-guid...

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