haswell vs ivy bridge

dragon199 · Jun 15, 2013

3700k or 4770k

or 3570k or 4670k

are haswell worth it for a gaming pc

considering they are about 20 percent more and with a more costly mobo

GMPoisoN · Jun 15, 2013

I was going to post the same thing. Haswell would actually be $15 cheaper. I plan to delid, overclock, and watercool mine. Which do you guys think?

aatje92 · Jun 15, 2013

Well i would go for Haswell as the price difference isn't that much and you're on a new socket wich will be upgradable to Broadwell also, better pcie support, better audio chips in general on motherboards, etc.

GMPoisoN · Jun 15, 2013

aatje92 :

That's what I was thinking. Only downside is I hear they don't OC as high. I suppose watercooling and deliding should help though.

princejeet · Jun 15, 2013

aatje92 :

I agreed.
+1
Thank .You.

aatje92 · Jun 15, 2013

GMPoisoN :

Yeah that will help a lot. And a haswell needs a lower clock to reach the same performance as a IB (albeit +/- 10%).

dragon199 · Jun 15, 2013

what if i can get get a 3770k at a price of a 4670k

without even including the price of the cheaper mobo

also what enhancements thus the new mobo has over the old one

eg ASRock Z87 Extreme3

aatje92 · Jun 15, 2013

dragon199 :

go with the 3770k in that case. But for gaming you're not going to notice a lot of difference between 4670k and 3770k

GMPoisoN · Jun 15, 2013

aatje92 :

Good point, and to add to that, I would go for the 4670k. 3770k is $249.99, 4670k is $199.99. You're talking about a newer generation chip for $50 cheaper. I would consider you get the 4670k, especially if you're just a gamer, if you're a video editor, then maybe it's a different story.

8350rocks · Jun 15, 2013

3570k, all day long, it's cheaper than the 4670k, and anything you save can go toward a better GPU. Plus the 4th gen Intel stuff is only a 1% improvement in gaming based on the reviews.

GMPoisoN · Jun 15, 2013

8350rocks :

If he already has his gpu, I would say go with the 4670k. More applications will take advantage of its new architecture. For the extra money, I think it's worth it for a newer socket, more support, "future proof", etc.

Also, the i5 4670k is $10 more than the i4 3570k.

8350rocks · Jun 15, 2013

There is no such thing as "future proof" with Intel...socket 1150 will see a "haswell refresh" per Intel's roadmap...but word on broadwell is it will be basically all BGA (no sockets).

OP: If you want to spend $10 more for the CPU and another $30 more for the MB for the same performance, go right ahead. If you want to get a better GPU, then you're better off saving money and buying the 3570k

GMPoisoN · Jun 15, 2013

8350rocks :

Well, while you may be right about broadwell but, in my circumstance at least, going from the 3570k & 1155 to 4670k & 1150 was $15 cheaper (then again my mobos aren't standard size *asus maximus v gene & asus gryphon*).

I also can't see how it's the same performance, it's newer for a reason, although you may be just speaking about the current time, because in the future applications will take advantage of its new architecture.

GMPoisoN · Jun 15, 2013

8350rocks :

Well, while you may be right about broadwell but, in my circumstance at least, going from the 3570k & 1155 to 4670k & 1150 was $15 cheaper (then again my mobos aren't standard size *asus maximus v gene & asus gryphon*).

I also can't see how it's the same performance, it's newer for a reason, although you may be just speaking about the current time, because in the future applications will take advantage of its new architecture.

IMO, if you're not strapped for cash, just go with the 4670k, in some situations, it can be cheaper.

8350rocks · Jun 15, 2013

4th gen is aimed squarely at Laptops and Mobile...they pretty much neglected any improvements to desktop platforms.

dragon199 · Jun 15, 2013

how about the 8350fx i have heard that the new consoles use amd 8 core jaguar cpu

if devs start supporting 8 core cpus will a 4770k be left out

i will just use it for gaming and pair it with a 7970hd or a gtx 770

GMPoisoN · Jun 15, 2013

dragon199 :

Not too sure about CPUs, but I would just stick with Intel, they're the leaders. As for 7970 vs 770, I would personally go with the Sapphire 7970 Vapor X GHz Edition, comes with 4 free games compared to the 1 you get with the 770.

dragon199 · Jun 17, 2013

thanks everyone
i am going with the 4770k

but just a little confusion with the fx 8350 the 8 core super cheap cheap processor from amd
how does it stack up to it

also does anyone know about the new fx 9000 series with 5.0 ghz clocks
will it completely wipeout the 4770k even though it is still based on piledriver

GMPoisoN · Jun 17, 2013

dragon199 :

My guess is it probably won't, reason being is because their big selling point will be 5 ghz, which some can achieve with intel. Either way, Im sure Intel has something up their sleeves waiting for this thing to launch.

8350rocks · Jun 17, 2013

dragon199 :

It depends entirely on what you're doing...

The FX8350 competes on some levels with the 4770k and doesn't do as well in some areas (particularly single threaded performance, i.e. iTunes, etc.). However, early benchmarks predict the FX9590 will compete with the i7-3930k in many categories in terms of performance in stock configuration (it does not exceed 3930k performance across the board, but in several applications it does). The 3770k/4770k does not compete at factory clocks. If you OC the 4770k to around 4.2-4.3 you might get close to the same performance as the 5.0 GHz AMD CPU. Though the AMD would still win in heavily multithreaded applications.

dragon199 · Jun 17, 2013

8350rocks :

dragon199 :

It depends entirely on what you're doing...

The FX8350 competes on some levels with the 4770k and doesn't do as well in some areas (particularly single threaded performance, i.e. iTunes, etc.). However, early benchmarks predict the FX9590 will compete with the i7-3930k in many categories in terms of performance in stock configuration (it does not exceed 3930k performance across the board, but in several applications it does). The 3770k/4770k does not compete at factory clocks. If you OC the 4770k to around 4.2-4.3 you might get close to the same performance as the 5.0 GHz AMD CPU. Though the AMD would still win in heavily multithreaded applications.

close meaning about 80 to 90 percent performance
is it worthwhile to wait

8350rocks · Jun 17, 2013

Close meaning 90+% performance outside of completely single threaded tasks...

Steamroller is going to be such a dramatic improvement, I fully expect it to close the gap with 4th gen intel hardware.

Intel's last 2 generations of hardware have been a total 12% improvement over Sandy Bridge.

The FX8350 performs equally with SB architecture in nearly everything, and better in some cases.

Steamroller is projected to be as little as 15% improvement and possibly as big as 30% improvement over the current gen FX series.

Steamroller fits into a AM3+ motherboard (the same one current gen FX series uses).

15-30% > 12%

dragon199 · Jun 17, 2013

hafijur :

Intel are going like amd releasing 8 core cpu and scrapping improving the cpu as in going to next architecture. I think intel will finally bring 6 core to the main stream and the 8 core haswell next year will be the new top end extreme cpu from intel.

I think intel have done great as the industry needed low power small form factor computers with good performance, for laptops good battery life double the battery life over ivy bridge and slim design.

Haswell will be around for a long time it seems, I got ivy bridge and my brother has a sandy bridge laptop. We have a lot of core 2 duo machines and one core 2 quad desktop. Anyway I don't see the need for upgrading till the 14nm cpus come out so probably in 2015 is the time to next upgrade.

so is 4770k good for at least 2 years

haswell vs ivy bridge

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