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First Build Ever - 1000$ Budget - Is this good?

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June 15, 2013 1:06:46 PM

Hey I am looking to either build my first ever pc or buy a Dell Xps 8700 which seems to be cheaper (and better) than making one. I will be using the pc to play games like BF3 and Need for Speed as well as watching movies and doing school work.

So far I have this:

PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/16JDT
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/16JDT/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/16JDT/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($324.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($184.99 @ Memory Express)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N600UBE 802.11a/b/g/n USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($29.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Corsair 600T ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 650W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($84.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($97.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $1129.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-15 16:02 EDT-0400)

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June 15, 2013 1:08:28 PM

Hey I forgot to mention that if someone is going to suggest another build ( as i just made that one with literally 0% knowledge in PC making), use the Canada version of pcpartpicker as prices are sometimes a little different. Thanks.
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June 15, 2013 1:12:08 PM

jetvan23 said:
Hey I forgot to mention that if someone is going to suggest another build ( as i just made that one with literally 0% knowledge in PC making), use the Canada version of pcpartpicker as prices are sometimes a little different. Thanks.


that cpu isn't really necessary for what you want, you could save yourself some money and go with an i5-3570k and then maybe put the money you saved into a graphics card

the 760 is coming out on june 25th will have slightly better performance than the 670 for only around $299 so maybe if you can wait a little over a week that might benefit you
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June 15, 2013 1:18:20 PM

oh i'm sorry silly me it didn't occur to me that you were going with haswell

regardless you can go with something like the 4670k or the 4670 if you don't plan on overclocking and save yourself money
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June 15, 2013 1:18:53 PM

jetvan23 said:
Hey I forgot to mention that if someone is going to suggest another build ( as i just made that one with literally 0% knowledge in PC making), use the Canada version of pcpartpicker as prices are sometimes a little different. Thanks.


[PCPartPicker part list](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/16JV5) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/16JV5/by_merchant/) / [Benchmarks](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/16JV5/benchmarks/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80637i53570...) | $219.99 @ Newegg Canada
**CPU Cooler** | [Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-coole...) | $28.99 @ Newegg Canada
**Motherboard** | [ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z77e...) | $124.99 @ NCIX
**Memory** | [Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cml8gx3m...) | $63.99 @ Newegg Canada
**Storage** | [Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-interna...) | $82.84 @ Expansys Canada
**Video Card** | [MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti 3GB Video Card](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-n660titf...) | $309.99 @ Memory Express
**Case** | [Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/fractal-design-case-fdc...) | $99.99 @ NCIX
**Power Supply** | [XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1650s...) | $62.99 @ NCIX
**Operating System** | [Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit)](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/microsoft-os-wn700404) | $97.99 @ NCIX
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available. | $1091.76
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-15 16:16 EDT-0400 |

Used Ivy Bridge as it saves you quite a bit of money for marginal performance. If this extra $90 is too steep then you could downgrade your case or motherboard slightly. As atari says, it would be wise to wait for the 760 and 760ti to be released to see whether you could save yourself some more money and squeeze out some more performance, which the 770 has successfully done.
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June 15, 2013 1:19:57 PM

sophiebeth100 said:
jetvan23 said:
Hey I forgot to mention that if someone is going to suggest another build ( as i just made that one with literally 0% knowledge in PC making), use the Canada version of pcpartpicker as prices are sometimes a little different. Thanks.


[PCPartPicker part list](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/16JV5) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/16JV5/by_merchant/) / [Benchmarks](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/16JV5/benchmarks/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80637i53570...) | $219.99 @ Newegg Canada
**CPU Cooler** | [Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-coole...) | $28.99 @ Newegg Canada
**Motherboard** | [ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z77e...) | $124.99 @ NCIX
**Memory** | [Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cml8gx3m...) | $63.99 @ Newegg Canada
**Storage** | [Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-interna...) | $82.84 @ Expansys Canada
**Video Card** | [MSI GeForce GTX 660 Ti 3GB Video Card](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-n660titf...) | $309.99 @ Memory Express
**Case** | [Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/fractal-design-case-fdc...) | $99.99 @ NCIX
**Power Supply** | [XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1650s...) | $62.99 @ NCIX
**Operating System** | [Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit)](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/microsoft-os-wn700404) | $97.99 @ NCIX
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available. | $1091.76
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-15 16:16 EDT-0400 |

Used Ivy Bridge as it saves you quite a bit of money for marginal performance. If this extra $90 is too steep then you could downgrade your case or motherboard slightly. As atari says, it would be wise to wait for the 760 and 760ti to be released to see whether you could save yourself some more money and squeeze out some more performance, which the 770 has successfully done.


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June 15, 2013 1:24:28 PM

Is a Cpu cooler necessary ? Also, I dont understand how the gtx 760 will perform better than gtx 660 or 670 and be less expensive?
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June 15, 2013 1:26:26 PM

u_gonna_squeal_b4_we_cookya said:
atarisafari said:
oh i'm sorry silly me it didn't occur to me that you were going with haswell

regardless you can go with something like the 4670k or the 4670 if you don't plan on overclocking and save yourself money


Either way, you are correct. He should at least get a K chip if he is getting a Z87. It is a waste to get a motherboard geared towards overclocking when the CPU is locked. If you, the OP, need the hyperthreading of the i7, the extra cost of the 4770K will be worth it with the motherboard you chose.


The thing is , I don't know if I need the hyper threading and as far as i know, I probably won't overclock ( I don't get the point of this).
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June 15, 2013 1:30:25 PM

For gaming, you won't need an i7. Just pick an i5 4670K. The K denotes that the multiplier is unlocked, good overclockings easier.

Having an unlocked CPU allows you to increase the performance when you feel the need, essentially giving it 1-2 years more use than a non-K CPU.


If you do pick the i5, use the money left to buy a better card. I would suggest a minimum of a 660Ti. You could also go for a Radeon 7950 or a GTX 670.
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June 15, 2013 1:55:26 PM

u_gonna_squeal_b4_we_cookya said:
jetvan23 said:
Is a Cpu cooler necessary ? Also, I dont understand how the gtx 760 will perform better than gtx 660 or 670 and be less expensive?


If you do not plan on overclocking, you don't really need a CPU cooler, the stock one is just fine. You might also look into a cheaper motherboard like the Asrock H87: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

One reason you might want a different CPU cooler is noise. Although not necessary, a cooler with a larger 120mm fan will be close to silent. The stock Intel fans are like 90mm and a full speed sound like a mosquito.


But would it be simple to use the bought fan instead of the stock fan ( like is there any modding etc...)?
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June 15, 2013 2:05:27 PM

u_gonna_squeal_b4_we_cookya said:
jetvan23 said:


But would it be simple to use the bought fan instead of the stock fan ( like is there any modding etc...)?


No, the stock fan looks something like this:



And the aftermarket 120mm fan:



There is no easy way to make it work without completely designing a bracket from scratch. Better off just buying the heat sink with the fan. A Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo is an excellent choice or any similar design as in the 2nd pic.



great name btw :p 

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June 15, 2013 2:07:33 PM

Also how is this system :

4th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-4770 processor (8M Cache, up to 3.9 GHz)
NVIDIA® Geforce® GTX 660 1.5G GDDR5
16GB Dual Channel DDR3 1600MHz
2TB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive + Intel® SRT 32GB SSD Cache
Windows 8 Pro, 64-bit, English
Creative Sound Blaster® Recon3D PCIe Audio Sound Card
Blu-ray Combo Drive (Reads BD and Writes to DVD/CD)

$1200 , its the new Dell Xps 8700.
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June 15, 2013 2:14:30 PM

jetvan23 said:
Also how is this system :

4th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-4770 processor (8M Cache, up to 3.9 GHz)
NVIDIA® Geforce® GTX 660 1.5G GDDR5
16GB Dual Channel DDR3 1600MHz
2TB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive + Intel® SRT 32GB SSD Cache
Windows 8 Pro, 64-bit, English
Creative Sound Blaster® Recon3D PCIe Audio Sound Card
Blu-ray Combo Drive (Reads BD and Writes to DVD/CD)

$1200 , its the new Dell Xps 8700.


you really shouldn't spend more on the cpu than on the graphics card
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June 15, 2013 4:17:47 PM

atarisafari said:
jetvan23 said:
Also how is this system :

4th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-4770 processor (8M Cache, up to 3.9 GHz)
NVIDIA® Geforce® GTX 660 1.5G GDDR5
16GB Dual Channel DDR3 1600MHz
2TB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive + Intel® SRT 32GB SSD Cache
Windows 8 Pro, 64-bit, English
Creative Sound Blaster® Recon3D PCIe Audio Sound Card
Blu-ray Combo Drive (Reads BD and Writes to DVD/CD)

$1200 , its the new Dell Xps 8700.


you really shouldn't spend more on the cpu than on the graphics card


But is it a good pc at that price. And does dell use somewhat decent compenents or its all dell branded?

And how is this build compared to the xps 8700 up there:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($349.99 @ Newegg Canada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($14.99 @ Canada Computers)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD5H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($229.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($135.95 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($129.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($329.99 @ Memory Express)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($35.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $1363.86
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-15 19:14 EDT-0400)
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June 15, 2013 10:06:47 PM

jetvan23 said:
Also how is this system :

4th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-4770 processor (8M Cache, up to 3.9 GHz)
NVIDIA® Geforce® GTX 660 1.5G GDDR5
16GB Dual Channel DDR3 1600MHz
2TB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive + Intel® SRT 32GB SSD Cache
Windows 8 Pro, 64-bit, English
Creative Sound Blaster® Recon3D PCIe Audio Sound Card
Blu-ray Combo Drive (Reads BD and Writes to DVD/CD)

$1200 , its the new Dell Xps 8700.



You don't seem to be getting the point. You are buying an overkill CPU and an underwhelming GPU.

The main difference between an i5 and an i7 is Hyper-Threading. Both has 4 physical cores but the OS sees 4 more for the i7.

In the future, you might benefit from the extra multitasking power of the i7, but since you are not buying a good enough GPU, I would suggest an i5.

Read my post above to see the benefits of an unlocked CPU.

Also, I see you have been looking at pre-built PC. I would not recomend it. You ususally have less flexibility on your parts.


Quote:
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($349.99 @ Newegg Canada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($14.99 @ Canada Computers)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD5H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($229.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($135.95 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($129.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($329.99 @ Memory Express)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($35.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $1363.86


This one is a great system. Again, an i7 is an overkill. But its up to you.
16GB of RAM is also too much. 8GB will be enough for now.

You can always add 8 more later. I would also suggest a better power supply.
750w is good if you plan on doing multi-GPU configs later. But then, if you are doing multi-GPU, you should really consider a better power supply.
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