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June 16, 2013 5:48:49 AM

Which one would anyone who responds recommend. I'm not too worrysome about budget, but 2 GTX 780's is a lot of money. Wondering if the extra performance is worth the extra cash.

I want to be able to play current high-end games like Battlefield 3 and Crysis 3 with max settings if not very high on a 3 monitor setup 5760x1080. I would also like to be able to play next-gen games like Battlefield 4 and Watchdogs with very similar settings to that of current-gen games.

Also how futureproof do you think the graphics setup would be?

Furthermore, any opinions about the monitors would be greatly appreciated (proposing Dell S2340L's). Would these be good for Nvidia Surround, if not, any other good monitors for the job?
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June 16, 2013 5:52:59 AM

No that is not possible. You can not play Crysis 3 on very high on even two GTX 780s.
Even a Core i7 4770K along with Four x GTX Titan ($4000) can not give you steady 60 FPS on that resolution and settings.

Forget about that and rest of the stuff, GTX 770 should max out. That card alone can max out most of the games out there except Crysis 3, etc and two of those would be awesome enough to let you play whatever game you like (again except Crysis series) on maxed out settings.

I would recommend this monitor -

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-ve248h

Good Luck!

And no I can't help out with future stuff, didn't got the powers of an omniscient yet. :) 
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June 16, 2013 5:54:08 AM

Impossible, anyway go with 770's and not 780's.

play crysis 3 on 1 monitor, other games you might be able to play on 3.
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June 16, 2013 6:00:37 AM

Alright so maxing out Crysis 3 is near impossible or impossible with most cards today at 60 FPS with the resolution, would I expect maybe 30 - 50 FPS or lower with the GTX 780 or GTX 770, or is it still too demanding?
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June 16, 2013 6:03:27 AM

I recently had 2 gtx 680's sli and went to 780's. I noticed a huge improvement on my 2560x1600 monitor! The 770's are basically 680's with modified bios for higher clocks which can be achieved with a little overclocking. The evga acx 780 model overclocks like a beast. I went from 40-45 fps in crysis 3 at 1600p to over 60 fps. All other games like metro and bf3 had significantly higher improvements in fps but we all know how crysis 3 is the king of fps dismay!! Get the 780's and don't look back. I see the NV team releasing drivers that give better performance down the line this year.
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June 16, 2013 6:04:37 AM

Also, you mentioned you don't care much for a budget but let's be honest, a little bang for buck is always better right? If you agree, I'd suggest one or two HD 7970.

Take a look at this:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_770_sli_review,18.html

At high resolutions a 7970 is often better than a GTX 770 and costs less. Power consumption is a tie. It also scales very well with CrossFire on some games like BF3. So unless you have something against AMD, in this case I would suggest the red team.

If you have to go with nVidia, I'd suggest a GTX 770 and then eventually when you feel the need for more power, you can just buy another one and there you go.

I hope I helped. :) 
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June 16, 2013 6:04:56 AM

Also for the monitor I've looked at the VE248H before and honestly even though it's $50 cheaper roughly ($150 with 3) I'm still leaning towards the S2340L due to the smaller bezel and simple design, making it seem great for multi-monitor gaming.
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June 16, 2013 6:06:38 AM

Crysis 3 - 1440p - MSAA LOW - Very High - 47 FPS - GTX 770 SLI

That is average. And yeah it would be smooth enough. GTX 780 SLI not recommended in any case. Darn thing is too costly. Just grab two 770s and you are good to go. I must say that if a card combo can get you 47 FPS on very high settings with low AA, that combo can give you over 60 FPS on whatever game you want.

Well let me solve your more doubts too here -

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-770-gk1...

Start on page 4 and end on page 19. You would get benchmarks of single GPU and multi GPU of most of the powerful cards there in almost all newer titles.

Well its your choice if you want to buy costly stuff or not so costly stuff when it comes to monitors. VE248H has very low response time which is a good thing for gaming as compared to S2340L which has 7 - 8 ms.

@shinfujiwara - I guess you are new to the fact that crossfiring does not work well with most of the games rendering 1 card useless at most times? Well so that got cleared here. If one want to go for multi GPU setup, AT is not the way to go. Crossfire sucks and you can't play a game without choppy videos and all that. A few don't even start up until CF is turned off.
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June 16, 2013 6:10:13 AM

I started off thinking of AMD cards (I'm not biased in any way towards any companies) with the 7990 and the 7970 GHz edition in Crossfire, but after looking at a lot of reviews about the Crossfire experience, I considered Nvidia as a better option. Also to persuade me against the 7970, the GTX 770 and GTX 780 are new cards and even if that doesn't mean too much, I like the idea that the cards won't be replaced for another few months at least (something like 9 - 12). I also want a system that will run most games confidently on 3 screens with fairly high settings that will work into the future, so after checking benchmark results I thought Nvidia was better in my opinion.
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June 16, 2013 6:12:02 AM

770 SLI would be enough but the extra performance you get out of the 780 is well worth the extra cash. How futureproof is 770 sli? Let's take a look at Sli 470. It took 2 years before a single card could replace sli 470 and then about another year before a single card could replace it and give a substantial performance increase. For the GTX 480 in SLI it took about 3 years before a single card could replace it. So I will say 770 in SLI will be decent enough for the next 3 years and 780 in SLI will be good enough for the next 4 years.
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June 16, 2013 6:14:23 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/4440/19/nvidia-geforce-...

Crysis 3 very high, 4X AA = 20.3 fps on twin 770s .... using same scaling should be at 29 fps for the 780
Crysis 3 medium, 4X AA = 74.7 fps on twin 770s


I see, if I were to buy these cards I would probably overclock to some extent (not a lot but for some performance gain) and for games like Crysis 3 I think after considering this, high settings would be enough for a hopeful 10 - 20 FPS gain? I think I would go with the GTX 780's in this case?
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June 16, 2013 6:16:55 AM

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770 SLI would be enough but the extra performance you get out of the 780 is well worth the extra cash. How futureproof is 770 sli? Let's take a look at Sli 470. It took 2 years before a single card could replace sli 470 and then about another year before a single card could replace it and give a substantial performance increase. For the GTX 480 in SLI it took about 3 years before a single card could replace it. So I will say 770 in SLI will be decent enough for the next 3 years and 780 in SLI will be good enough for the next 4 years.


I guess I'm probably going GTX 780 then if past trends continue. However if you or anyone could find some benchmarks between the GTX 770 SLI and GTX 780 SLI without subbing in other cards as similar I would greatly appreciate it to see if the performance gain is what I hope for.
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June 16, 2013 6:18:22 AM

Mattsherona said:
I started off thinking of AMD cards (I'm not biased in any way towards any companies) with the 7990 and the 7970 GHz edition in Crossfire, but after looking at a lot of reviews about the Crossfire experience, I considered Nvidia as a better option. Also to persuade me against the 7970, the GTX 770 and GTX 780 are new cards and even if that doesn't mean too much, I like the idea that the cards won't be replaced for another few months at least (something like 9 - 12). I also want a system that will run most games confidently on 3 screens with fairly high settings that will work into the future, so after checking benchmark results I thought Nvidia was better in my opinion.


Nvidia is a better choice here.
And the deal with GTX 770 is that it has GK104 core which is from the older generation. GTX 780 has newer core of Titan and is kind of same card with minor cut offs to reduce costs.

Performance wise, we should not go for past stuff but should take benchmarks into account. GTX 780 SLI delivers about 20% - 25% more performance than GTX 770 SLI. So if you want the extra performance you can go for GTX 780 SLI.

At the same time I would also like to point out that it would cost you same amount of money to opt for 3 way SLI of GTX 770 which would outperform GTX 780 2 way SLI.
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June 16, 2013 6:24:01 AM

"Now I" realize what Crysis 3 graphics is. Even SLI can't play on max settings with 3 display. hmm. Correct me if I am wrong.

Miss Type :D 
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June 16, 2013 6:24:57 AM

luckiest charm said:
Mattsherona said:
I started off thinking of AMD cards (I'm not biased in any way towards any companies) with the 7990 and the 7970 GHz edition in Crossfire, but after looking at a lot of reviews about the Crossfire experience, I considered Nvidia as a better option. Also to persuade me against the 7970, the GTX 770 and GTX 780 are new cards and even if that doesn't mean too much, I like the idea that the cards won't be replaced for another few months at least (something like 9 - 12). I also want a system that will run most games confidently on 3 screens with fairly high settings that will work into the future, so after checking benchmark results I thought Nvidia was better in my opinion.


Nvidia is a better choice here.
And the deal with GTX 770 is that it has GK104 core which is from the older generation. GTX 780 has newer core of Titan and is kind of same card with minor cut offs to reduce costs.

Performance wise, we should not go for past stuff but should take benchmarks into account. GTX 780 SLI delivers about 20% - 25% more performance than GTX 770 SLI. So if you want the extra performance you can go for GTX 780 SLI.

At the same time I would also like to point out that it would cost you same amount of money to opt for 3 way SLI of GTX 770 which would outperform GTX 780 2 way SLI.


Yes, I know but in a year or two I am considering getting a third card to keep up with the games. So would eventually 3 GTX 780's be worth the additional cost to run next-gen games. Sorry for not specifying this before, wasn't at the top of my head :/ 
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June 16, 2013 6:26:26 AM

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I know realize what Crysis 3 graphics is. Even SLI can't play on max settings with 3 display. hmm. Correct me if I am wrong.


Agreed. 3 display setup can put a card to its knees and I don't think you can play Crysis 3 on any GPU combo on the earth on 3 displays simultaneously. Simply not possible.

Even 4 x GTX Titans fail at 1440p on 1 display, 3 displays are too much. I wonder what FPS would be ... Should be funny enough ..
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June 16, 2013 6:28:30 AM

Mattsherona said:
luckiest charm said:
Mattsherona said:
I started off thinking of AMD cards (I'm not biased in any way towards any companies) with the 7990 and the 7970 GHz edition in Crossfire, but after looking at a lot of reviews about the Crossfire experience, I considered Nvidia as a better option. Also to persuade me against the 7970, the GTX 770 and GTX 780 are new cards and even if that doesn't mean too much, I like the idea that the cards won't be replaced for another few months at least (something like 9 - 12). I also want a system that will run most games confidently on 3 screens with fairly high settings that will work into the future, so after checking benchmark results I thought Nvidia was better in my opinion.


Nvidia is a better choice here.
And the deal with GTX 770 is that it has GK104 core which is from the older generation. GTX 780 has newer core of Titan and is kind of same card with minor cut offs to reduce costs.

Performance wise, we should not go for past stuff but should take benchmarks into account. GTX 780 SLI delivers about 20% - 25% more performance than GTX 770 SLI. So if you want the extra performance you can go for GTX 780 SLI.

At the same time I would also like to point out that it would cost you same amount of money to opt for 3 way SLI of GTX 770 which would outperform GTX 780 2 way SLI.


Yes, I know but in a year or two I am considering getting a third card to keep up with the games. So would eventually 3 GTX 780's be worth the additional cost to run next-gen games. Sorry for not specifying this before, wasn't at the top of my head :/ 


Yeah you can go for that config if in future you want another GTX 780.

But you would also have to take into account the cooling factors.
And personally, I don't think even 4 GTX 780s would be able to run Crysis 3 high on 3 displays at your given resolution. Its too much. 1 screen should be enough but 3 of them somewhat gets me worried.

Haven't read anything on it yet but I am expecting negative results.
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June 16, 2013 6:33:14 AM

Turn down some settings problem solved
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June 16, 2013 6:39:55 AM

luckiest charm said:
Mattsherona said:
luckiest charm said:
Mattsherona said:
I started off thinking of AMD cards (I'm not biased in any way towards any companies) with the 7990 and the 7970 GHz edition in Crossfire, but after looking at a lot of reviews about the Crossfire experience, I considered Nvidia as a better option. Also to persuade me against the 7970, the GTX 770 and GTX 780 are new cards and even if that doesn't mean too much, I like the idea that the cards won't be replaced for another few months at least (something like 9 - 12). I also want a system that will run most games confidently on 3 screens with fairly high settings that will work into the future, so after checking benchmark results I thought Nvidia was better in my opinion.


Nvidia is a better choice here.
And the deal with GTX 770 is that it has GK104 core which is from the older generation. GTX 780 has newer core of Titan and is kind of same card with minor cut offs to reduce costs.

Performance wise, we should not go for past stuff but should take benchmarks into account. GTX 780 SLI delivers about 20% - 25% more performance than GTX 770 SLI. So if you want the extra performance you can go for GTX 780 SLI.

At the same time I would also like to point out that it would cost you same amount of money to opt for 3 way SLI of GTX 770 which would outperform GTX 780 2 way SLI.


Yes, I know but in a year or two I am considering getting a third card to keep up with the games. So would eventually 3 GTX 780's be worth the additional cost to run next-gen games. Sorry for not specifying this before, wasn't at the top of my head :/ 


Yeah you can go for that config if in future you want another GTX 780.

But you would also have to take into account the cooling factors.
And personally, I don't think even 4 GTX 780s would be able to run Crysis 3 high on 3 displays at your given resolution. Its too much. 1 screen should be enough but 3 of them somewhat gets me worried.

Haven't read anything on it yet but I am expecting negative results.


Ok, I understand the demand that the resolution and graphical settings has in a game like Crysis and I can't really hope to play it at High on the given resolution without encountering a very low FPS. However on the basis of choosing between the GTX 780 SLI v GTX 770 SLI I looked at one of your recent answers (which I seemed to miss before) and see that in most games like FarCry 3 and Battlefield 3 the FPS is up around 10 more frames. Do you think this is justifyable for the extra cost. I'm currently trying to avoid having to get 3 cards, but if it comes to the point where it increases performance in the future I will most likely give in and get an additional cards. Then again I would like to avoid that instance.

Concluding, do you think GTX 780's will do well in the future at 5760x1080 even if settings have to be reduced to High or Medium in games like Battlefield 3 or 4 when it comes out? (I will mainly be playing games like Battlefield, GTA 5, Call of Duty and GRID 2, I chose Crysis as an ideal game due to it's extreme graphical requirements thinking if it ran well on Crysis, it would be no problem for other titles)
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June 16, 2013 6:43:07 AM

plenty power, gtx 780 sli is enough for high-max. settings for 3 screens.
well gtx 770 sli would be enough
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June 16, 2013 6:45:42 AM

Mattsherona said:
Yes, I know but in a year or two I am considering getting a third card to keep up with the games. So would eventually 3 GTX 780's be worth the additional cost to run next-gen games. Sorry for not specifying this before, wasn't at the top of my head :/ 


I don't think you will be able to find one a year from now ... at least not new card

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June 16, 2013 6:49:36 AM

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Performance wise, we should not go for past stuff but should take benchmarks into account. GTX 780 SLI delivers about 20% - 25% more performance than GTX 770 SLI. So if you want the extra performance you can go for GTX 780 SLI.


Closer to about 15%
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_7...

Performance per dollar though is about 30% lower
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_7...

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June 16, 2013 6:51:52 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
Mattsherona said:
Yes, I know but in a year or two I am considering getting a third card to keep up with the games. So would eventually 3 GTX 780's be worth the additional cost to run next-gen games. Sorry for not specifying this before, wasn't at the top of my head :/ 


I don't think you will be able to find one a year from now ... at least not new card



I'm trying to avoid 3 cards but will give in if performance of two is not good enough
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June 16, 2013 6:55:02 AM

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_780_sl...
I think I'm going with the GTX-780 because with these framerates at 5760x1080 resolution it fits nearly perfectly at extreme settings. Also in future games like Battlefield 4, I think I can dull down the graphics a bit lower to achieve ideal 60 FPS if it is required.
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June 16, 2013 6:56:54 AM

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Even a Core i7 4770K along with Four x GTX Titan ($4000) can not give you steady 60 FPS on that resolution and settings.


Four Titans on Crysis 3 come up just a bit short of 60 fps on very high, 4x AA @ 5760 res with 53 fps

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/4031/13/nvidia-geforce-...

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June 16, 2013 7:02:50 AM

My final question as posted before...

Concluding, do you think GTX 780's will do well in the future at 5760x1080 even if settings have to be reduced to High or Medium in games like Battlefield 3 or 4 when it comes out? (I will mainly be playing games like Battlefield, GTA 5, Call of Duty and GRID 2, I chose Crysis as an ideal game due to it's extreme graphical requirements thinking if it ran well on Crysis, it would be no problem for other titles)
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June 16, 2013 7:47:44 AM

Yeees

Cod,bf4,gtx5 won't be a big deal
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June 16, 2013 8:22:25 AM

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iGamer said:
Is this a 3 monitors or only one ?
http://cdn.overclock.net/6/68/68415e50_alienware-crvd-4...


1 but playing games would most likely mean higher resolutions. You'd need to find the resolution of the display to check compatibility with games and graphics cards.


So it's better to have separate 3 monitors than to have that big.
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June 16, 2013 8:24:24 AM

iGamer said:
Mattsherona said:
iGamer said:
Is this a 3 monitors or only one ?
http://cdn.overclock.net/6/68/68415e50_alienware-crvd-4...


1 but playing games would most likely mean higher resolutions. You'd need to find the resolution of the display to check compatibility with games and graphics cards.


So it's better to have separate 3 monitors than to have that big.


Not sure really :/  But I'm going 3 monitors if that persuades you LOL.
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June 17, 2013 12:23:36 AM

Mattsherona said:
My final question as posted before...

Concluding, do you think GTX 780's will do well in the future at 5760x1080 even if settings have to be reduced to High or Medium in games like Battlefield 3 or 4 when it comes out? (I will mainly be playing games like Battlefield, GTA 5, Call of Duty and GRID 2, I chose Crysis as an ideal game due to it's extreme graphical requirements thinking if it ran well on Crysis, it would be no problem for other titles)


For other games if they are not a bad port (like GTA IV) or insane resource hog, you would not have a single problem running those with two GTX 780s. Those cards are just same as Titan with slight changes. Two of those can really make a difference.

Crysis series is always known to be very demanding so I won't blame your system. If you can run Crysis 3 on medium - high settings you can run anything else without a problem. GTA V, BF 4, Grid 2 (My favorite), etc should be no problem at all. Don't worry.

Besides if very newer titles after these cause trouble you can tone down settings or buy another card to keep up. That should get you a 3-4 year fix of things.
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June 17, 2013 12:42:35 AM

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Mattsherona said:
My final question as posted before...

Concluding, do you think GTX 780's will do well in the future at 5760x1080 even if settings have to be reduced to High or Medium in games like Battlefield 3 or 4 when it comes out? (I will mainly be playing games like Battlefield, GTA 5, Call of Duty and GRID 2, I chose Crysis as an ideal game due to it's extreme graphical requirements thinking if it ran well on Crysis, it would be no problem for other titles)


For other games if they are not a bad port (like GTA IV) or insane resource hog, you would not have a single problem running those with two GTX 780s. Those cards are just same as Titan with slight changes. Two of those can really make a difference.

Crysis series is always known to be very demanding so I won't blame your system. If you can run Crysis 3 on medium - high settings you can run anything else without a problem. GTA V, BF 4, Grid 2 (My favorite), etc should be no problem at all. Don't worry.

Besides if very newer titles after these cause trouble you can tone down settings or buy another card to keep up. That should get you a 3-4 year fix of things.


Thanks :)  Is Grid 2 a good game, I'm considering getting it over any Need For Speed titles at the moment. Also what do you think of this monitor for 3 monitor gaming Asus VN247H
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June 17, 2013 12:49:20 AM

Grid 2 is really a fantastic title. I bought the game after reading the GameSpot review -

http://asia.gamespot.com/grid-2/reviews/grid-2-review-6...

Really an awesome game. Need For Speed Titles just have a good story behind them usually. I have played most of the games out there but still like NFS MW for some reason despite completing The Run too.

Grid 2 seems to be better choice in current titles list.

And I suggested VN247H at the first place .. Of course I would recommend it. :D 
Sometimes quality (lower response time) and price matters more than beauty.
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June 17, 2013 1:25:59 AM

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Grid 2 is really a fantastic title. I bought the game after reading the GameSpot review -

http://asia.gamespot.com/grid-2/reviews/grid-2-review-6...

Really an awesome game. Need For Speed Titles just have a good story behind them usually. I have played most of the games out there but still like NFS MW for some reason despite completing The Run too.

Grid 2 seems to be better choice in current titles list.

And I suggested VN247H at the first place .. Of course I would recommend it. :D 
Sometimes quality (lower response time) and price matters more than beauty.


Not trying to be a dick or anything but you suggested VE247H, Haha 1 letter difference to VN247H
http://www.asus.com/Monitors_Projectors/VE247H/
https://www.asus.com/Commercial_Monitors_Projectors/VN2...

VN247H has smaller bezel and 1ms response time. Great for gaming I guess.
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June 17, 2013 1:27:55 AM

Well .. Sorry .. I got confused there lol.

Yeah that is better. :) 
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June 18, 2013 2:51:53 PM

If youre really wondering about scaling of crisis 3 on multi-monitor then youtube callsignvega. He's running a quad-sli titan setup with a custom liquid cooling loop. He struggles to run crisis 3 smoothly on multi monitor setups. As far as other titles on multi monitor, I don't see a problem running 2 gtx 770 in sli. Obviously 780's are better performance wise, but they are rather expensive. Both setups will give you excellent performance.
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June 20, 2013 7:53:53 PM

I seen a video with 3 680 that can play crisis 3 with 3 tv,s set up I say max 55 fps and the min 39 fps look on YouTube and look for death wish studio
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June 20, 2013 8:52:22 PM

Quality should be low - medium.
Three Displays take a lot of resources so high quality should not be available.
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July 10, 2013 9:42:42 AM

i have i5 4670
and 770 sli gtx crysis 3 on one screen gave me around 45-50 fps
the one thing i would recommend if you have the stash and you think you can go upto that level y dont you go for gtx titan in sli it will for sure get you 55-60 fps on 3 screen :) but considering that you might need liquid cool and definitely need a very high end case that can handle that much of heat sink .

As far as future gaming is concern 770 sli can handle those games not sure upto what level but 780 would be a best pick coz you can definitely can get high setting for battlefield 4 , watchdogs or any other games.

on the other hand get a ps4 or xbox one it will cost less than buying one GTX 780 :)  just a thought
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