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June 16, 2013 1:18:58 PM

I've decided to join the PC gaming community and knowing next to nothing about building a PC I've taken a lot of advice on which parts to use. So, I'm here for more advice from a more knowledgeable community.

I'd like to stay under $1,000, but I don't mind going over, but of course it will take me longer to get all the parts (I'm hoping to be ready for Battlefield 4 which comes out Oct 29th).

Here are the Newegg links.

Full Wishlist: https://secure.newegg.ca/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.asp...

Separate inks if needed:

Case: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

GPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

PSU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

CPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

RAM: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Optical: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

CPU Cooler: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

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June 16, 2013 1:24:00 PM

Looks good to me!
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June 16, 2013 1:24:07 PM

first tip, buy enough to get a working machine in one go, therefore you can test that all works immediately in case there are any dead components. I would suggest buying the GPU last as they are most likely to either decrease in price or increase in capability.
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June 16, 2013 1:26:30 PM

As 13thmonkey said.

Buy the RAM asap though, because RAM is quickly increasing in price. Here in the UK, RAM has increased in price by up to 30% in the last 6 months. Don't know if this is happening in the USA though - I would assume so :p 
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June 16, 2013 1:37:13 PM

Honestly, you dont need the cpu cooler unless your overclocking.

What do you want to do with this PC, Overclocking? SLI? (multi GPU)

I dont know what the total cost of that build is (the full list wont load for me), but there is definitely room for at least one decent improvement.

For your budget you can get a gtx 670, which is definitely worth buying over the 660.
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June 16, 2013 1:48:53 PM

drtoast said:
Honestly, you dont need the cpu cooler unless your overclocking.

What do you want to do with this PC, Overclocking? SLI? (multi GPU)

I dont know what the total cost of that build is (the full list wont load for me), but there is definitely room for at least one decent improvement.

For your budget you can get a gtx 670, which is definitely worth buying over the 660.


I'm at $944 and I don't really know anything about overclocking, but getting a second GPU at some point would be nice
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June 16, 2013 2:02:21 PM

Humannequin said:

I'm at $944 and I don't really know anything about overclocking, but getting a second GPU at some point would be nice


Overclocking is altering the processors cycles and speeds to run faster than they run from the shelf, It requires 'some' know how, but it isnt too difficult to do, but requires time and effort to make sure you dont screw it up.

Its generally advised to run the single most powerful GPU you can over two low grade ones. (avoids complications and space issues)

What detail set would you hope to play? and at what screen resolution?

I'll take a stab at a part list for you if you like?
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June 16, 2013 2:09:59 PM

drtoast said:
Humannequin said:

I'm at $944 and I don't really know anything about overclocking, but getting a second GPU at some point would be nice


Overclocking is altering the processors cycles and speeds to run faster than they run from the shelf, It requires 'some' know how, but it isnt too difficult to do, but requires time and effort to make sure you dont screw it up.

Its generally advised to run the single most powerful GPU you can over two low grade ones. (avoids complications and space issues)

What detail set would you hope to play? and at what screen resolution?

I'll take a stab at a part list for you if you like?


1920 x 1080 hopefully and I don't know what you mean by detail set hahaha, I would very much appreciate some suggested parts!
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June 16, 2013 2:15:39 PM

detail as in, running on medium or high or ultra/max graphics. Bearing in mind current consoles are usually somewhere around low-mid graphics of PC games.
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June 16, 2013 2:15:44 PM

Because you are building an entirely new PC, it might be worth considering Haswell, as it shouldn't be much more expensive for a 4670K and compatible LGA 1150 socket motherboard. The performance boost might not be huge but does give you the newest tech from Intel, and make upgrading cheaper (also much less power consumption)
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June 16, 2013 2:26:15 PM

KrazyKap said:
Because you are building an entirely new PC, it might be worth considering Haswell, as it shouldn't be much more expensive for a 4670K and compatible LGA 1150 socket motherboard. The performance boost might not be huge but does give you the newest tech from Intel, and make upgrading cheaper (also much less power consumption)



The range comparable haswell uses more power than the ivy? its 84w to the 77w of ivy.
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June 16, 2013 3:00:10 PM

For no overclock, and limited (next to non) upgradeability

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/176ZG $993 US

That would tear apart the 660.

(I'm assuming your not including windows as it wasnt listed in your OP)

With a good overclocking board, potential for a second GPU (not likely you would need it for a single 1080 monitor for a while) and general room to prat around in.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1777k $1060 US

If you then decided overclocking was your thing you could add the coolermaster hyper 212 evo CPU cooler for $29.99.

Bear in mind that card can run crysis 3 ultra at a respectable 30+ fps at slightly larger resolutions. Shouldnt imagine BF4 will be harder to run than that.
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June 16, 2013 5:06:32 PM

drtoast said:
For no overclock, and limited (next to non) upgradeability

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/176ZG $993 US

That would tear apart the 660.

(I'm assuming your not including windows as it wasnt listed in your OP)

With a good overclocking board, potential for a second GPU (not likely you would need it for a single 1080 monitor for a while) and general room to prat around in.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1777k $1060 US

If you then decided overclocking was your thing you could add the coolermaster hyper 212 evo CPU cooler for $29.99.

Bear in mind that card can run crysis 3 ultra at a respectable 30+ fps at slightly larger resolutions. Shouldnt imagine BF4 will be harder to run than that.


I'd like to mid/high but ultra would be very nice of course.

That second build sounds nice and I would like to upgrade as I go.

I forgot to add Windows to my list hahaha, Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit is what I'd want to go with right?
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June 16, 2013 5:16:48 PM

drtoast said:
For no overclock, and limited (next to non) upgradeability

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/176ZG $993 US

That would tear apart the 660.

(I'm assuming your not including windows as it wasnt listed in your OP)

With a good overclocking board, potential for a second GPU (not likely you would need it for a single 1080 monitor for a while) and general room to prat around in.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1777k $1060 US

If you then decided overclocking was your thing you could add the coolermaster hyper 212 evo CPU cooler for $29.99.

Bear in mind that card can run crysis 3 ultra at a respectable 30+ fps at slightly larger resolutions. Shouldnt imagine BF4 will be harder to run than that.


Why does the first build have no upgradeability? I'm asking because I have little (i.e. almost no) hardware experience. But couldn't you always add more ram, more storage, and a different video card? How is that not upgradeable? How is the other one more upgradeable?

Edit: Is it because of the cheaper Mother Board? Guessing it has less slots?
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June 16, 2013 5:19:50 PM

Humannequin said:


I'd like to mid/high but ultra would be very nice of course.

That second build sounds nice and I would like to upgrade as I go.

I forgot to add Windows to my list hahaha, Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit is what I'd want to go with right?


Na, windows 7 home premium 64 bit (or better) or windows 8 64 bit, its down to preference. But that is an extra $90 to consider. so you may either need to severly blow out the budget to get the second link. (OEM versions are cheaper but bound to the motherboard, so they are a bad idea if you intend to or need to upgrade your motherboard later, which to me makes the better motherboard at the start appealing)

Or get the second link but change out the gtx 770 to a gtx 670 or radeon 7950.

Of the two the 670 is more powerful, slightly, but the 7950 currently comes with far cry blood dragon, tomb raider, crysis 3 and bioshock infinite for free. So, understandably it gets a mention :p 

The 770 is on par with two 670's however.

This is where your personal knowledge of your finances, and what you want out of a PC come to play. You have information. You choose what to do with it :p 


-Edit- The cheaper motherboard has the z 75 chipset over the z77, it doesnt have all the features of the z77 chipset (Some of these features are highly relevant to overclocking) . It also doesnt support SLI configurations, meaning you cant run multiple GPU configurations. However it does support xfire, so you could run two radeon cards together. Unfortunately there are issues with stutter on xfire cards, which while they are being dealt with now by a tool called radeon pro (which seeks to eliminate the stutter by locking framerates in games lower than what the hardware should be able to put out), thats third party software. AMD havent solved the issues or adopted the solution themselves.
Another mention is while it has a spare socket for a second card, its not a full speed socket, so you would get full performance from it.

My personal choice would be the second build with the lower GPU, that should run med to high without too many complications. Then treat yourself to a better GPU like the 770 when you have a bit more disposable income. Or save a bit longer than you hoped and treat yourself with getting the best possible for a first buy. Worth the wait? :p 

It still stands though that the first link would work the same as the second. Just without overclocking. And with some limitation on upgrades. There would be nothing stopping you just putting a faster GPU in it at a later date.
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June 16, 2013 5:21:33 PM

Humannequin said:
drtoast said:
For no overclock, and limited (next to non) upgradeability

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/176ZG $993 US

That would tear apart the 660.

(I'm assuming your not including windows as it wasnt listed in your OP)

With a good overclocking board, potential for a second GPU (not likely you would need it for a single 1080 monitor for a while) and general room to prat around in.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1777k $1060 US

If you then decided overclocking was your thing you could add the coolermaster hyper 212 evo CPU cooler for $29.99.

Bear in mind that card can run crysis 3 ultra at a respectable 30+ fps at slightly larger resolutions. Shouldnt imagine BF4 will be harder to run than that.


I'd like to mid/high but ultra would be very nice of course.

That second build sounds nice and I would like to upgrade as I go.

I forgot to add Windows to my list hahaha, Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit is what I'd want to go with right?


Be aware, Windows is very expensive. Look at the features that Pro offers that Home Premium doesn't. I only got pro because I might want remote access and I want Windows Virtual Machine with XP. Home Premium might be perfectly suitable for you. Windows is probably going to cost you about $100 at least :( .

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June 17, 2013 2:30:42 PM

Adrianime said:
Humannequin said:
drtoast said:
For no overclock, and limited (next to non) upgradeability

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/176ZG $993 US

That would tear apart the 660.

(I'm assuming your not including windows as it wasnt listed in your OP)

With a good overclocking board, potential for a second GPU (not likely you would need it for a single 1080 monitor for a while) and general room to prat around in.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1777k $1060 US

If you then decided overclocking was your thing you could add the coolermaster hyper 212 evo CPU cooler for $29.99.

Bear in mind that card can run crysis 3 ultra at a respectable 30+ fps at slightly larger resolutions. Shouldnt imagine BF4 will be harder to run than that.


I'd like to mid/high but ultra would be very nice of course.

That second build sounds nice and I would like to upgrade as I go.

I forgot to add Windows to my list hahaha, Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit is what I'd want to go with right?


Be aware, Windows is very expensive. Look at the features that Pro offers that Home Premium doesn't. I only got pro because I might want remote access and I want Windows Virtual Machine with XP. Home Premium might be perfectly suitable for you. Windows is probably going to cost you about $100 at least :( .



home premium is nearly always enough, and vmware player is free so if you have the iso/disk you can install xp easily
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June 18, 2013 12:28:00 PM

drtoast said:
Humannequin said:


I'd like to mid/high but ultra would be very nice of course.

That second build sounds nice and I would like to upgrade as I go.

I forgot to add Windows to my list hahaha, Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit is what I'd want to go with right?


Na, windows 7 home premium 64 bit (or better) or windows 8 64 bit, its down to preference. But that is an extra $90 to consider. so you may either need to severly blow out the budget to get the second link. (OEM versions are cheaper but bound to the motherboard, so they are a bad idea if you intend to or need to upgrade your motherboard later, which to me makes the better motherboard at the start appealing)

Or get the second link but change out the gtx 770 to a gtx 670 or radeon 7950.

Of the two the 670 is more powerful, slightly, but the 7950 currently comes with far cry blood dragon, tomb raider, crysis 3 and bioshock infinite for free. So, understandably it gets a mention :p 

The 770 is on par with two 670's however.

This is where your personal knowledge of your finances, and what you want out of a PC come to play. You have information. You choose what to do with it :p 


-Edit- The cheaper motherboard has the z 75 chipset over the z77, it doesnt have all the features of the z77 chipset (Some of these features are highly relevant to overclocking) . It also doesnt support SLI configurations, meaning you cant run multiple GPU configurations. However it does support xfire, so you could run two radeon cards together. Unfortunately there are issues with stutter on xfire cards, which while they are being dealt with now by a tool called radeon pro (which seeks to eliminate the stutter by locking framerates in games lower than what the hardware should be able to put out), thats third party software. AMD havent solved the issues or adopted the solution themselves.
Another mention is while it has a spare socket for a second card, its not a full speed socket, so you would get full performance from it.

My personal choice would be the second build with the lower GPU, that should run med to high without too many complications. Then treat yourself to a better GPU like the 770 when you have a bit more disposable income. Or save a bit longer than you hoped and treat yourself with getting the best possible for a first buy. Worth the wait? :p 

It still stands though that the first link would work the same as the second. Just without overclocking. And with some limitation on upgrades. There would be nothing stopping you just putting a faster GPU in it at a later date.


Is this the version of Widows 7 Home Premium I'd want? http://pcpartpicker.com/part/microsoft-os-gfc00019
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June 18, 2013 3:40:39 PM

Humannequin said:

Is this the version of Widows 7 Home Premium I'd want? http://pcpartpicker.com/part/microsoft-os-gfc00019


Aye, thats a full license copy. You can use that on any machine you like but one machine at a time...

For half the price, you can buy the same one, (OEM) but is officially restricted to one motherboard, barring motherboard failure, when you must replace it with as close as possible.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/microsoft-os-gfc02050

Most people exploit that and claim motherboard failure when they build a new PC and transfer it :p  but its down to how nice the person on the phone is when you call to claim.
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June 21, 2013 4:28:42 PM

drtoast said:
Humannequin said:

Is this the version of Widows 7 Home Premium I'd want? http://pcpartpicker.com/part/microsoft-os-gfc00019


Aye, thats a full license copy. You can use that on any machine you like but one machine at a time...

For half the price, you can buy the same one, (OEM) but is officially restricted to one motherboard, barring motherboard failure, when you must replace it with as close as possible.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/microsoft-os-gfc02050

Most people exploit that and claim motherboard failure when they build a new PC and transfer it :p  but its down to how nice the person on the phone is when you call to claim.


I just checked part picker again it isn't showing any of the full license copies... Could be because I'm using the Canadian version of part picker?

I'm also going to need a wireless adapter for now and hopefully a wired adapter in the future is there one you could recommend for each? Price doesn't matter.
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June 21, 2013 6:15:49 PM

I'm afraid wireless adapters aren't something I've had to deal with, Might be worth posting a thread specifically for them. On the other hand you shouldnt need a wired adapter, as most boards come with LAN Connections onboard.
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