I too am about to begin the building of my first self-constructed machine

Michael Esquer

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Hello everyone,
My computer that I have had for 4 years recently just died. I am limited on cash but I desire to build my self a strong computer for the tasks I need it for. I want this computer to be strong in the following areas I already have a keyboard, mouse, headset, microphone,speakers, and monitor. I am looking at solely building myself a tower

- Gaming (Latest games on ultra 30fps minimum)
- Video/photo Editing via Adobe Premiereand Adobe Photoshop
- Gaming while recording (via Fraps)

I feel that a strong computer in these areas will be exactly what I need and anything other uses (Homework and such) will fall in line with those areas

However when it comes to parts and mixing them with compatibility I am not as savy. All I have ever done is upgrade my old computer's power supply and graphics card before it went down in glorious technological failure. I am going to list the parts I am looking at now, I would appreciate any advice, or knowledge everyone here has on this matter. I mainly looked at processors, graphics cards, and power supplies because I know the computer is going to require fairly strong ones.

Graphics Card: SAPPHIRE 100358L Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card ($109.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202011

Power Supply: AZZA PSAZ-1000PT14 1000W ATX & EPS 12V 2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS PLATINUM Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply ($199.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817517011

Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX ($94.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-16GXM ($129.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231568

Case: Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with Upgraded USB 3.0 ($99.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021

Motherboard: ECS A75F2-A2(1.0) FM2 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard ($69.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135329

Sound card: ASUS Xonar DX 7.1 Channels PCI Express x1 Interface Sound Card ($89.99)

(Special Note, I already have a 2TB external Hardrive that runs well and I use to write and encode on so I am not too stressed on space and so I do not require a large Harddrive for the computer itself)
Harddrive: Western Digital WD AV-GP WD10EURX 1TB IntelliPower 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM ($89.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136941

As for cooling, I have no idea what I am doing there in regards to how to do that. I was looking on Newegg for cooling parts and the best thing I located (since I am more inclined to water-cooling as so many have told me it is far superior to air) is this

Cooling: CORSAIR Hydro series H50 High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler ($59.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136941

Total of what I have so far $944.92 before taxes, so lets say $1000

That being said, I hope I haven't forgotten anything because I am already approaching my money ceiling, in fact I am essentially at my money ceiling. I hope that everything is compatible, will work together well, and I have constructed the computer I so desire. Thank you for your time, I truly appreciate the help.
 

megaballzdeep

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im still pretty new but id lower the ram to 8gb and try and go for a newer fx processor which you will need to get a different motherboard with am3+ socket also that 1000w is way to much :p change that and get a better gpu
 

Michael Esquer

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The GPU? Will 8GB of ram really be enough? what do you imagine it would run on? 800W? 650W?
 

megaballzdeep

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graphics card :). 650 would be fine and 8gb is for sure enough also you wont need that soundcard and unless you want to oc the stock cooler will work just fine as is . ive never used them myself but newegg has do it yourself kits that have all the parts in a bundle that could work but you have a hard drive already and it would come with one and an ssd so not best option :p.i can try and make a list of parts in your budget though ive only done it for myself so dunno what you prefur

 

Michael Esquer

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I'd appreciate that, I just want it to be strong enough to do video editing at a decent speed (1 hour encoding times) and to also handle games on high-ultra settings at a minimum of 30fps while recording with fraps. I'd enjoy having a 1TB of space on the hard drive and to also be able to do Minecraft Let's Builds with Shaders on. Set the budget for around 1200$ but you can over and I will just have to save more.
 

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hmm well since you dont need a big hard drive a ssd would be really good upgrade and i didnt see the editing part so 16gb would prolly be best lol also do you have an os?
 

Michael Esquer

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I don't actually I forgot that XD I think that Windows 7 64 bit would be best probably considering that windows 8 is still a tad buggy. What is a SSD what is the difference there?
 

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I have built several computers including one for my sister who is a professional photographer who spends a lot of time using Wacom products and Adobe Photoshop. She does not game at all. The chip would be okay but a 965 is now quite old - I built my kid a computer using this chip and it games okay with a single GTX460GTX but that is at 1280 x 1028 - not 1080p!

I will give you two options - the first uses most of what you already have with few changes suggested that will save money and get you better gaming

Option 1: Your power supply is way too much - cut it back to around 500-600W maximum - go with a Seasonic or Corsair modular PSU. RAM - 8 GB should be enough - its something that't relatively cheap and easy to add more later if you really want to. Loose the sound card - most motherboards have on-board sound that is good enough. Spend the money you saved on the above to improve the graphics - read Tom's articles on Best Graphics Cards for the money and you won't go far wrong - you are porbably looking at a GTX650Ti or GTX660. You will likely need a DVD-R drive ~$25 and don't forget the operating system ~$100 for Win 7 X64 Home. Cooling - quite honestly $60 water coolers are not much better than air coolers and good water cooling only makes a difference if you want to overclock. The following air cooler gets good write-ups and is good value for $. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099. Yes there are better but they cost 2-3 times as much.

Option 2 - superfast. For photoshop applications I would personally go with a core i5-3750K which also overclocks like crazy http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504 - its a much faster chip than the 965 and the heat output is also a lot less so less power supply and less cooling required.

Motherboard - I would go with ASUS or Gigabyte. ECS are lass well known and in reviews generally lag behind the well known names. This MB is good but quite pricey . . . . http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131830 and unless you plant to overclock something in the sub-$150 range would be fine like the following http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131833 for $139. Don't go too cheap on the MB as parts like the voltage regulators tend to be where manufacturers save money.

RAM - what you have selected is fine - quite honestly it doesn't have a huge effect on performance compered to the other components. I would simply go with 8GB - you can always add more later very easily if you want. This RAM is good http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148661

Power Supply. Here's where you can save money. You really don't need 1000W - unless you plan on adding a second and third GPU or you're planning on heating your room with it :). For a single graphics card system with an efficient graphics card and CPU all you really need is around 450-550W. I would go with Seasonic or Corsair - they are the best out there. This is a good deal right now http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119

Case - what you are thinking of is fine - it won't affect performance. I have a Silverstone TJ07 case but I'm a big fan of Lian Li cases. Note its worth looking on eBay for cases - you can get good deals - just watch out for shipping charges

HDD - I've used and have both WD and Seagate in my computer and right now for the money I would go with Seagate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840

DVD-R - LG, Lite-On, Samsung will work - read reviews on whatever takes your fancy.

Graphics - this will be better than what you have originally selected http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130910

Operating System - Windows 7 X64 Home

Budget
CPU - i5-3750K $220
Cooler - Cooler Master Hyper 212 $33
MB ASUS P8Z77-M PRO $139
RAM - 8GB $67
PSU - Seasonic 550W $80
Graphics - GTX650Ti Boost $170
Case - Antec $99
Operating System Win 7 X64 Home $100
DVD-R $25
HDD $69
TOTAL $1002
p.s. don't forget to buy some thermal paste ($7)
 

Michael Esquer

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I should state that when attempting to fix my computer (before I knew I could just jump my PSU to test it) I bought a thermaltake 850w smart m series power supply for $75, is that worth just keeping and using in my build? I have heard mixed reviews regarding thermaltake PSU's
 

Michael Esquer

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"Case - what you are thinking of is fine - it won't affect performance. I have a Silverstone TJ07 case but I'm a big fan of Lian Li cases. Note its worth looking on eBay for cases - you can get good deals - just watch out for shipping charges"


Thanks, I had never heard of Lian Li Cases and I found this one on new egg which seems pretty nice. just a straightforward box but also nice and good sized
LIAN LI PC-7B plus II Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112099
 

Michael Esquer

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* an Update* I will be going with the Thermaltake, I already have it and it shall do for now. After careful research and talking with friends. I am going to move over my old hard drive and get the OS off of that. Additionally I will be utilizing both a hard drive and a SSD in my computer. I've gotten a machine that I can manage to pay for. with the following specs. Tell me what you all think of this computer (~$1100-1250) If i need a stronger PSU now because of the three hard drives let me know


MOBO - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131833

CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231527

GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130910

PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153158&Tpk=Thermaltake%20Smart%20Series%20850W&IsVirtualParent=1

Cooling - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

Hard Drive - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840

SSD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147188

Disc Drive - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Case- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112099

Thermal Paste- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007
 

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I was trying to keep the budget to $1000 including the OS. The selections you have in the list will build you a very good computer. It possible to spend a lot more money but only get incremental performance increases.

If you have room in your budget to go up to $1200 then here are a couple of suggestions

Your 850W PSU would be fine - quite honestly its twice the wattage needed. You note that you don't want to use it but quite honestly I'd stick with it for now - it should be good for a couple of years. Replace it later when you have saved up some cash. Its easy to change a PSU . . . although your choice.

You have saved $100 by using your existing OS and $80 by sticking with your existing PSU.

Cases - I like Lian Li because although they are "plain" they are very well put together and light because they are made of Aluminum. Their hard drive mounting system is excellent for isolating vibration. Make sure whatever model you get has a large - 1 x 140 mm exhaust fan or 2 x 120 mm exhaust fans. This is the one I used for my sisters build - I liked it a lot - roomy and quiet! http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=52432&vpn=PC-8FIB&manufacture=LIAN-LI


For video encoding and Adobe Photoshop IF YOU ARE DOING THIS EXTENSIVELY then an i7-3770K - is better for those kind of applications. It won't give you anything extra for gaming but it will help with encoding and adobe. I used an i7-2600K for my sisters computer which at the time was the best available desktop CPU and it worked great for what she was doing with photos and images - she was amazed at how much faster it ran than her older computer. All this being said the i5-3570K I suggested is still good - it will be a huge improvement over what you have now and its very overclockable so you can get some gains without spending anymore $.

An SSD would definitely be a good investment. Right now I would go with a ~265GB OCZ Vertex 3 or Samsung 840/840Pro. Mushkin Chronos Deluxe are also good - irrespective of the small performance differences between these models they will have a huge impact on the performance of the system - buy whichever of these 3 give you the lowest $/GB. Plug into your SATA 6GB/s MB interface. I see you actually picked a 128 GB Samsung 840 - that will work well also - just keep your gaming and datafiles on the HDD. I use a 128 GB SSD but I bought it when they were $350 each - these days you can get 256 GB for $200-250! I'm waiting until the prices of the 512GB units drop below $400

That's it - as I say - what you have in your latest list will work well and you won't be disappointed - good luck!
 

Michael Esquer

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Thanks! Your advice is really helpful! I shall be buying and building hopefully within the next month or so! I think I will stick with my list, and just take out the power supply and use my thermaltake then. If you say it will last, then that is good enough for me. The machine should be powerful enough for all of my needs! Any physical building advice (the putting together of this machine) you have would also be welcome!
 

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Your question on the PSU with extra hard drives - your whole system will only draw around 350-400W so 550W is still plenty adequate. The big power consumers are the CPU and GPU - the rest is peanuts and SSD's have very low power draw indeed.

fyi - power consumption of hard drives
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/hdd-charts-2012/-28-Power-Requirement-at-Maximum-Write-Throughput,2920.html

fyi - power consumption of SSD's
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/ssd-charts-2012/Power-Requirement-at-Maximum-Write-Throughput,2816.html

In general - all the performance charts can be found here http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/

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Advice on putting together . . . most of it is is really pretty easy - everything is modular and designed to fit a particular way. The most difficult thing (if it can be called difficult) is getting a thin (but not too thin) layer of thermal past on the heatsink - there are loads of U-tube videos on how to do it properly . . . some better than others. Get some cable ties / sticky cable holder thingy's to keep cables tidy. Quite honestly there is not much to it if you have reasonable mechanical aptitude.

Start by putting the CPU into the socket on motherboard - it goes a specific way round and the MB instruction manual will provide the details. Add the RAM. Put the PSU in the case. Mount the motherboard with heatsink in the case. install the HDD's. Connect the cables. I usually put the graphics card in last.
 

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