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How does RAM overclocking help HD 4000 Overclocking

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June 18, 2013 2:40:57 PM

I am currently interested in overclocking my IGP (HD 4000), and have read that overclocking the RAM will help. I already have 16gb of RAM at 1600, is pushing it to 1866 or higher really going to help.

Does increasing frequency(1600->1866) and increasing latency(CL9->CL10/11) essentially have a 0 effect?

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June 18, 2013 2:47:53 PM

In this case little to none, might pick up 1 FPS or 2 depending on game and if it's mamory centric, but base performance level 1600/9 is about equal overall to 1866/10 - you do pick up additional bandwidth at 1866, but here it would be negligible....if you you manage to get it up to 1866 and keep CL at 9 that would be a more worthwhile project, but would entail balancing voltage and getting into advance timings
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June 18, 2013 2:51:48 PM

Tradesman1 said:
In this case little to none, might pick up 1 FPS or 2 depending on game and if it's mamory centric, but base performance level 1600/9 is about equal overall to 1866/10 - you do pick up additional bandwidth at 1866, but here it would be negligible....if you you manage to get it up to 1866 and keep CL at 9 that would be a more worthwhile project, but would entail balancing voltage and getting into advance timings


Suppose i were up for such a an endeavor... know of any decent guides. I would say i probably know enough about RAM to be dangerous but not enough be certain im being relatively safe.
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June 18, 2013 2:54:06 PM

You'll maybe get a 3-5% boost to a ridiculously poor IGP and that comes with plenty of risk of system crashes, an AMD chip is what you should have gone for when running IGP. Get a graphics card. This site has regular updates on the best graphics cards for the money.
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June 18, 2013 2:58:27 PM

APU's receive a much greater boost from faster RAM than the iGPU featured on Intel chips.
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June 18, 2013 3:02:15 PM

Trenchcoat said:
You'll maybe get a 3-5% boost to a ridiculously poor IGP and that comes with plenty of risk of system crashes, an AMD chip is what you should have gone for when running IGP. Get a graphics card. This site has regular updates on the best graphics cards for the money.


I realize that IGP is a poor solution but you would be hard pressed to get me to support AMD's CPU offerings. I also recognize that a gfx card is a much better solution however its not really for any reason other than i want to try. I think its important to recognize that my max output resolution will be 720p, and before you go saying to spend the money on a monitor, i cant and wont. I have a 155" projector in my house that is used as the screen thus any screen replacement to a higher resolution will easily cost more than the entire computer.
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June 18, 2013 3:07:21 PM

On the DRAM, can definitely try, and I will try and help as time permits, if you do want to, before getting started will want to know CPU (and current OC if any, actual Model of DRAM, and mobo (will want latest BIOS)...also all system voltages and DRAM timings both the base i.e. the 9-9-9-24 or whatever and all the advanced like tRC, tRFC, tRD etc
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June 18, 2013 3:16:59 PM

System Specs off the top of my head, should have the rest in about an hour when i get home and can get into the bios.
Asus Sabertooth z77 (bios 2003) latest,
Intel I7-3770k @ 4.7ghz @ 1.189v,
Hyper 212 Evo,
16Gb G.Skill Ripjaws X 1600, (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...) x2
Nzxt Hale82 650w PSU (seasonic built),
Nzxt Phantom 410 white,
Seagate Barricuda 1Tb hd,
Win 7 Pro
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June 18, 2013 3:20:52 PM

Darn, wish I knew a little something about GSkill..................Just kidding, I do support over on their forums, these RJ Xs have a strong possibility of hitting 1866/9, been working with them for a couple years now.
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June 18, 2013 3:25:40 PM

Tradesman1 said:
Darn, wish I knew a little something about GSkill..................Just kidding, I do support over on there forums, these RJ Xs have a strong possibility of hitting 1866/9, been working with them for a couple years now.


LOL been seeing you all over the boards today. I actually recognized your tag from over there while doing a search for this. But since it isnt only memory based i thought i would start my search here. Like I said Im game to give it a go.
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June 18, 2013 3:28:37 PM

firemedictj said:
Trenchcoat said:
You'll maybe get a 3-5% boost to a ridiculously poor IGP and that comes with plenty of risk of system crashes, an AMD chip is what you should have gone for when running IGP. Get a graphics card. This site has regular updates on the best graphics cards for the money.


I realize that IGP is a poor solution but you would be hard pressed to get me to support AMD's CPU offerings. I also recognize that a gfx card is a much better solution however its not really for any reason other than i want to try. I think its important to recognize that my max output resolution will be 720p, and before you go saying to spend the money on a monitor, i cant and wont. I have a 155" projector in my house that is used as the screen thus any screen replacement to a higher resolution will easily cost more than the entire computer.


AMD are weak right now with CPU's but their IGP's are lightyears ahead of what intel can offer. The only option you have is to get a graphics card. You don't even need a good one. Anything over... I had a look at the list and it's depressing here is a list of graphics processing devices and you could probably find one of them that is better in the recycling centre.
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June 18, 2013 3:34:22 PM

Trenchcoat said:
firemedictj said:
Trenchcoat said:
You'll maybe get a 3-5% boost to a ridiculously poor IGP and that comes with plenty of risk of system crashes, an AMD chip is what you should have gone for when running IGP. Get a graphics card. This site has regular updates on the best graphics cards for the money.


I realize that IGP is a poor solution but you would be hard pressed to get me to support AMD's CPU offerings. I also recognize that a gfx card is a much better solution however its not really for any reason other than i want to try. I think its important to recognize that my max output resolution will be 720p, and before you go saying to spend the money on a monitor, i cant and wont. I have a 155" projector in my house that is used as the screen thus any screen replacement to a higher resolution will easily cost more than the entire computer.


AMD are weak right now with CPU's but their IGP's are lightyears ahead of what intel can offer. The only option you have is to get a graphics card. You don't even need a good one. Anything over... I had a look at the list and it's depressing here is a list of graphics processing devices and you could probably find one of them that's better in the recycling centre.


Ah yes this is true but my desire to tinker is greater than my desire to just purchase something that works. Im sure at some point when im done tinkering with the IGP, I will end up with a discreet graphics card but for me its not about just getting it to work, its more about learning the how and why. Hence all the painstaking hours researching every little thing to get the best possible value with the most amount of useable performance.
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June 18, 2013 3:48:20 PM

firemedictj said:
Trenchcoat said:
firemedictj said:
Trenchcoat said:
You'll maybe get a 3-5% boost to a ridiculously poor IGP and that comes with plenty of risk of system crashes, an AMD chip is what you should have gone for when running IGP. Get a graphics card. This site has regular updates on the best graphics cards for the money.


I realize that IGP is a poor solution but you would be hard pressed to get me to support AMD's CPU offerings. I also recognize that a gfx card is a much better solution however its not really for any reason other than i want to try. I think its important to recognize that my max output resolution will be 720p, and before you go saying to spend the money on a monitor, i cant and wont. I have a 155" projector in my house that is used as the screen thus any screen replacement to a higher resolution will easily cost more than the entire computer.


AMD are weak right now with CPU's but their IGP's are lightyears ahead of what intel can offer. The only option you have is to get a graphics card. You don't even need a good one. Anything over... I had a look at the list and it's depressing here is a list of graphics processing devices and you could probably find one of them that's better in the recycling centre.


Ah yes this is true but my desire to tinker is greater than my desire to just purchase something that works. Im sure at some point when im done tinkering with the IGP, I will end up with a discreet graphics card but for me its not about just getting it to work, its more about learning the how and why. Hence all the painstaking hours researching every little thing to get the best possible value with the most amount of useable performance.


I understand that and good luck to you! Let us know how you get on!
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June 18, 2013 4:02:31 PM

I'll be around, actually just planned to hop over here to help a couple of folks from the GSkill forums, they wanted to know if I could help with some Corsair DRAM.....and I didn't really think it appropriate to be doing that at GSkill's site, apparently we got their GSkill rigs nice and smooth and they were having problems with some expensive Corsair sets, I originally suggested (via PM over there that it was a tRFC problem - they were mixing some high freq sets) so they emailed Corsair, and were told the sets wouldn't work, they finally got a phone number and asked a tech...he didn't even know what tRFC was, turned out they had a mobo that limited tRFC to 255 (ideally they needed 278), but we got them going with changing a few of the others to compensate...while dealing with that sort of got hooked here...there's a lot more people out there than I thought, that know extremely little about DRAM
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June 18, 2013 5:13:48 PM

All right, will take a look, prob back within a couple hours, going to grab a bite to eat
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June 18, 2013 6:35:04 PM

OK, keep your current settings, so you have fallback, and might run MaxxMem or go to command line as Administrator and run WINSAT MEM and jot down what it comes with..... Then lets start with setting DRAM to 1866 base timings at 10-10-10-24 and raise DRAM voltage to 1.6 initially (yes, it's safe) and set CPU multiplier at 38, we are just looking to see what happens at an easy 1866
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June 18, 2013 6:59:04 PM

Tradesman1 said:
OK, keep your current settings, so you have fallback, and might run MaxxMem or go to command line as Administrator and run WINSAT MEM and jot down what it comes with..... Then lets start with setting DRAM to 1866 base timings at 10-10-10-24 and raise DRAM voltage to 1.6 initially (yes, it's safe) and set CPU multiplier at 38, we are just looking to see what happens at an easy 1866


ok so i went through and tried to do that. It started to through the Bios splash screen, tried to load windows normally, then flipped to what looked like it was going to be safe mode, and then before it could launch BSOD.
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June 18, 2013 7:12:42 PM

The following article SemiAccurate talks about overclocking the Intel HD 4000.

In summary using Intel's Extreme Tuning Utility the writer was able to overclock the Intel HD 4000 by 39%, however performance increased by a little over 10%. Increasing the HD 4000's TDP from 35w to between 45w and 52w TDP, the increased performance to almost 16%.



http://semiaccurate.com/2012/04/23/overclocking-intels-...
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June 18, 2013 7:22:48 PM

jaguarskx said:
The following article SemiAccurate talks about overclocking the Intel HD 4000.

In summary using Intel's Extreme Tuning Utility the writer was able to overclock the Intel HD 4000 by 39%, however performance increased by a little over 10%. Increasing the HD 4000's TDP from 35w to between 45w and 52w TDP, the increased performance to almost 16%.


http://semiaccurate.com/2012/04/23/overclocking-intels-...


Thx I have seen the article. It doesnt quite cover how he went about it in detail but more about the results he achieved in his endeavor. Id like to know the steps that he took in order to find a stable overclock as well as what settings were played with. To make it more difficult I believe he was using a gigabyte board and im on asus, although in principal the bios' have the same effect they are not the same in form.
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June 18, 2013 7:27:21 PM

Just to toss in a thought on the BIOSs between Asus and Gigabyte - can well be worlds of differences in how the companies approach things, I think Gigabyte takes a more proacttive approach and tries to get things done faster than Asus, Asus takes a more reactive approach - as people complain and want more then Asus acts, in it's own good time, which in part has been involved in their decline of sale where GBs market shares increases
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June 18, 2013 7:38:32 PM

just tried messing with a few settings that might have been interfering with the ram being able to get all the voltage we would like to apply to it, and I got it to boot with an error, that seems to run the os but I have a black screen with nothing on it. CRTL+ALT+Del pulls up task manager and allows me to function a bit. any ideas?
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June 18, 2013 7:40:29 PM

Next step would be to take the VCCSA to 1.2 (will prob lower it some later)
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June 18, 2013 7:50:15 PM

ok so now i have gotten it to boot and it seems stable for the time being, what should i be checking or looking for?

Edit: 5min Runtime and BSOD.
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June 18, 2013 7:55:08 PM

Might go ahead and run MaxxMem or WINSAT MEM again and dhould see a decent increase in MB per second and if you have it try running a game or two or a program that will stress the system a bit. I like to use Prime95
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June 18, 2013 8:14:38 PM

Tradesman1 said:
Might go ahead and run MaxxMem or WINSAT MEM again and dhould see a decent increase in MB per second and if you have it try running a game or two or a program that will stress the system a bit. I like to use Prime95


I tried running prime95 and as soon as it takes off using custom settings trying to us 95%+ of available RAM it just stops running like it is throttling itself. For the few seconds it runs CPU temps are fine..... Will try more testing tomorrow.
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June 18, 2013 8:30:57 PM

When you do might take DRAM voltage up a tad more, but can tell you now, seriously doubt we'll be able to get this particular set to CL9
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June 19, 2013 4:34:09 PM

Ok so I have tried a few things and here is what I have come up with.
XMP profile has been enabled
DRAM set to 1866mhz
DRAM Voltage : 1.62
VCCSA : 1.2
DRAM Voltage Limit : Extreme (130%)
MaxxMem Results have been posted : https://plus.google.com/photos/110016036761320378125/al...
Prime95 still seems to shut down automatically, which I read somewhere else means instability. (not sure)
Had one Random shut down of FireFox while typing this response so I dont think its completely stable.
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June 19, 2013 4:52:51 PM

Ok, DRAM to 1.65
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June 19, 2013 5:05:08 PM

DRAM Voltage at 1.65v
MaxxMem Shows slightly worse times than at 1.62
Prime95 standard blend autostops 1 sec after start
Prime95 custom using 14000mb of RAM Instant BSOD
I have a feeling that 1600 CL9 is as fast as Im going to get
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June 19, 2013 5:13:24 PM

That last screen shot with the MaxxMem on it - it showed VCCSA at AUTO which would be 0.925 not the 1.2 we were looking for.
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June 19, 2013 5:29:27 PM

Im not sure where you see that in the MaxxMem screenshot but at your request I went back into the BIOS and verified the voltages DRAM1.65 and VCCSA 1.2, I did change it back to manual and not XMP as the preset could have been interfering with what I want.
MaxxMem was run again, ill upload it to the same link in a second.
Prime95 Standard Blend Runs 5mins with no errors and no stoppages.
Im gonna try to run it with more ram usage in custom as its only using 24% of available.
If this holds stable for a bit what next?
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June 19, 2013 5:51:25 PM

Ok so two things. The screenshot of the bios was the baseline taken from yesterday not existing settings everytime. Second I realized that when i flipped it to manual vs XMP it defaulted to 1333mhz which is why it was prime stable. Having realized that I went back in and set everything as follows
DRAM 1.65
DDR3-1866 10-10-10-24
VCCSA 1.2
Results:
Prime95 blend: not stable
Prime95 custom using more RAM: runs for 10secs then prime stops.
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June 19, 2013 6:37:38 PM

We can try w/ the VCCSA at 1.23 (1.25 is generally the highest I go w/ most, but since Asus started incorporating the MC (memory controller) voltage into the VCCSA is't trickier, the majority of other makers, keep it separate and generally call it the VCCIO or CPUVTT...but can give it a try...think otherwise you probably got a weaker set of sticks than is the norm
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