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Gigabyte or MSI g45 z87 motherboard? *Need quick answer

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June 19, 2013 1:16:59 PM

Hello.

I've purchased all the other parts of My build (except for the ram and motherboard. Getting different ram since tiger direct sold out of it)

And I was wondering which was the better motherboard.

The MSI g45 which is $139 through microcenter online.

Or the GIGABYTE GA-Z87-D3HP

I have the MSI picked in the parts list because I was going to go with it at first. But now I'm just making 100% sure I'm getting the best one I can at that price range. I had this doubt because I never hear the end of praise for gigabytes motherboards so you could see why I would be hesitant.

I'd really like to hurry up and order the motherboard so my parts will all arrive around the same time.

More about : gigabyte msi g45 z87 motherboard quick answer

a c 75 V Motherboard
June 19, 2013 1:28:08 PM

heres what i would have gotten
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/18a13

-haswell runs hot. better beef up the cooling
-the xd3h is a better option than the d3hp
-cheaper ram
-much better SSD
-GPU is just as good for 20 bucks less
-the arc midi r2 is half the price for the same case
-zero need for modularity for a 550w unit
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June 19, 2013 1:51:43 PM

TheBigTroll said:
heres what i would have gotten
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/18a13

-haswell runs hot. better beef up the cooling
-the xd3h is a better option than the d3hp
-cheaper ram
-much better SSD
-GPU is just as good for 20 bucks less
-the arc midi r2 is half the price for the same case
-zero need for modularity for a 550w unit


Thanks for the advice but it's a bit too late to change things.

Like I said in the op I've bought everything except for the motherboard and the ram.

So I assume you're saying that the gigabyte mobo is better than the msi g45?

Also thanks for the link to the ram.

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a c 75 V Motherboard
June 19, 2013 2:02:30 PM

yeah. just pointing out things that you could have changed

yes the gigabyte board is much better
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June 19, 2013 2:04:11 PM

oops. My ,mistake I didn't see that the board you suggested was different than the one I posted. Sorry.
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June 19, 2013 2:04:37 PM

TheBigTroll said:
yeah. just pointing out things that you could have changed

yes the gigabyte board is much better


And the board you posted is better than the one I posted in the OP?
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a c 75 V Motherboard
June 19, 2013 2:13:18 PM

yes
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June 19, 2013 2:14:09 PM

I just checked. The msi has better reviews than the gigabyte one. Although the gigabyte only had 2 reviews both were negative (On amazon) I know site reviews aren't exactly the most accurate thing but still it does make you worry a bit.

If you wouldn't mind answering this. What makes the gigabyte one better than the g45? Like specifically what is the difference? Is the g45 bad or just a little bit worse than the gigabyte? I'm only going to be using this computer for gaming.
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a c 75 V Motherboard
June 19, 2013 2:17:48 PM

reviews mean nothing to when there are 2 reviews and not to mention most people who get a good board dont put up a review

the main difference is gigabyte uses much higher quality vrms and a few more connectors. the only thing msi has to go for on the g45 gaming is the nic which can help you prioritize your internet to certain programs. personally it makes no difference anyways
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a c 134 V Motherboard
June 19, 2013 10:46:59 PM

Unless you actually held the 2 board by self, I don't think you can make a clear statement on which has better VRM. A quick look through the layout show that both board have the same amount of phases in their power design, but MSI one use SFC which quality is higher than Gigabyte's.

And unless you actually used a Killer LAN controller then the statement "personally it makes no difference anyways " is questionable.

Talking about connectors, the only thing Gigabyte win here is 2 more usb3 ports on the back and they are both controlled by NEC chipset instead of Intel so don't expect optimal performance from those ports ( using NEC usb3 ports myself anyway ), while MSI G45 gaming gives Coaxial sound output and Clear CMOS button. If we take internal connectors into comparison also then MSI G45 gaming gain advantages due to mSATA and voltage checkers, but the lack of Legacy PCI slot can make people with old PCI cards say no to it.
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a c 75 V Motherboard
June 20, 2013 4:25:19 AM

actually, all you need to do is search up the mosfet driver and chokes themselves. the gigabyte uses the IR 3553 mosfet drivers that can handle up to 40A a piece and the chokes they use also are rated for 40a. they are pretty much the 2nd best (the 3550 is the higher end one at 60A and are used on the OC FORCE and the older z77 up series)
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June 20, 2013 11:11:00 AM

TheBigTroll said:
actually, all you need to do is search up the mosfet driver and chokes themselves. the gigabyte uses the IR 3553 mosfet drivers that can handle up to 40A a piece and the chokes they use also are rated for 40a. they are pretty much the 2nd best (the 3550 is the higher end one at 60A and are used on the OC FORCE and the older z77 up series)


And @Madn3ss795

I...I have no idea what either of you are talking about to be honest. I'm really new to this stuff.

is the g45 a bad motherboard? Or is it just that the gigabyte one is a bit better? because I can get the g45 for about $15-$20 cheaper. Would I end up unhappy if I went with the msi one? I only intend to play games and in the future when games demand it (hopefully the distant future or if I win the lottery) I'll get another 770 to sli with.

And that extra $20 is sounding pretty pleasing since I didn't account tax in my budget and it turns out I had to pay tax for it (which is weird because I've never had to pay tax before when ordering from amazon ,State is KY).

Is the gigabyte that much substantially better than the msi? If it's only a bit better or pretty much the same I'll probably end up getting the msi one.

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a c 75 V Motherboard
June 20, 2013 11:22:54 AM

the z87x-d3h is about the same price and is basically the same as the ud3h except for the esata ports and the extra marvel controllers.

the gigabyte is fair bit better than the msi board
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June 20, 2013 11:47:18 AM

TheBigTroll said:
the z87x-d3h is about the same price and is basically the same as the ud3h except for the esata ports and the extra marvel controllers.

the gigabyte is fair bit better than the msi board


I can't seem to find a 'z87x-d3h' board (searching on newegg) the first thing that pops up is a differently named msi board.

How much exactly is a 'fair bit better'? Enough better to warrant and extra $15 +$7 shipping? I guess what I'm asking is would I really be missing out on/regretting anything if I went with the g45?

I know these questions are probably a bit ignorant but as I've said before I'm really new to this stuff and I'm just trying to learn as much as I can.

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June 20, 2013 2:05:08 PM

TheBigTroll said:
this one. a fair bit better in terms of the power delivery. the rest is approximately the same
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CU4L4NQ/?tag=pcpapi-20


Which one are you referring to it being better in terms of power delivery? The msi one or the gigabyte one we were talking about?

Also, again sorry for what I assume must be an asinine question but what do you mean by power delivery?
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a c 75 V Motherboard
June 20, 2013 2:49:11 PM

the power delivery or the vrm. the stuff under the heatsinks surrounding the CPU socket
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June 20, 2013 3:03:32 PM

TheBigTroll said:
the power delivery or the vrm. the stuff under the heatsinks surrounding the CPU socket


What does that do tho? How does it make it better?

Again sorry about all these questions it's just I don't know a lot about this stuff.

Does the g45 have a bad vrm? Or is it just that the gigabyte one has a better vrm?

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a c 75 V Motherboard
June 20, 2013 3:15:14 PM

if you read the above posts, i mentioned about what the gigabyte used for their vrm/power delivery on their board.

the g45 does not have a bad vrm. its quality is mid-range for the most part. the gigbayte on the other hand has a much better design so yeah, the gigabyte is better
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a c 134 V Motherboard
June 20, 2013 6:43:55 PM

Better at mosfet, worse at other parts. And unless someone test both the boards at the same time, it's still unclear how helpful are those part, because IMO, 8 phases design will limit those extra in power delivery, more or less. Therefor, again, you can't simply point out which is better.

You totally focused on one advantage and skipped the rest. What kind of giving advice is that?
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June 20, 2013 9:24:54 PM

Madn3ss795 said:
Better at mosfet, worse at other parts. And unless someone test both the boards at the same time, it's still unclear how helpful are those part, because IMO, 8 phases design will limit those extra in power delivery, more or less. Therefor, again, you can't simply point out which is better.

You totally focused on one advantage and skipped the rest. What kind of giving advice is that?


Which board do you think I should get?

Just trying to get as many opinions as I can to make my decision. The rest of my parts are supposed to come tomorrow. It's not like I could put my build together right then tho even if I had chosen a mobo. I decided to order my computer parts now and I was going to decide on a monitor later since I needed to do more research on monitors.

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a c 134 V Motherboard
June 20, 2013 9:32:17 PM

Since you're interested with the Z87 G45 gaming at first, stick with it.
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a c 75 V Motherboard
June 21, 2013 4:41:04 AM

O Possum said:
Madn3ss795 said:
Better at mosfet, worse at other parts. And unless someone test both the boards at the same time, it's still unclear how helpful are those part, because IMO, 8 phases design will limit those extra in power delivery, more or less. Therefor, again, you can't simply point out which is better.

You totally focused on one advantage and skipped the rest. What kind of giving advice is that?


Which board do you think I should get?

Just trying to get as many opinions as I can to make my decision. The rest of my parts are supposed to come tomorrow. It's not like I could put my build together right then tho even if I had chosen a mobo. I decided to order my computer parts now and I was going to decide on a monitor later since I needed to do more research on monitors.



the z87x-d3h from gigabyte. i think the entire conversation i was pretty clear about it
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June 21, 2013 9:51:57 AM

TheBigTroll said:
O Possum said:
Madn3ss795 said:
Better at mosfet, worse at other parts. And unless someone test both the boards at the same time, it's still unclear how helpful are those part, because IMO, 8 phases design will limit those extra in power delivery, more or less. Therefor, again, you can't simply point out which is better.

You totally focused on one advantage and skipped the rest. What kind of giving advice is that?


Which board do you think I should get?

Just trying to get as many opinions as I can to make my decision. The rest of my parts are supposed to come tomorrow. It's not like I could put my build together right then tho even if I had chosen a mobo. I decided to order my computer parts now and I was going to decide on a monitor later since I needed to do more research on monitors.



the z87x-d3h from gigabyte. i think the entire conversation i was pretty clear about it


Oh I know you were recommending the gigabyte one. I wasn't confused about that. I was asking him which one he recommends.

Just wanted to get as big a pool of opinions as I could to help make my decision.

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June 21, 2013 9:57:57 AM

Madn3ss795 said:
Since you're interested with the Z87 G45 gaming at first, stick with it.


But would I be missing out on anything if I did?

Troll has been pretty clear the gigabyte one is a bit better.

But then again I'm not going to be doing anything very intense on my build. Just games really.

It's starting to feel more like a choice between red and blue. Or blue and dragons.

My parts actually just came in. I just got done bringing them inside so they wouldn't be left out in the heat. (case was a lot heavier than i thought it would be :pfff: ).

I think it was all the parts since it was both amazon and newegg boxes. So now I just like mobo, ram, and a monitor and keyboard.

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a c 134 V Motherboard
June 21, 2013 9:03:23 PM

Troll clearly showed himself as a Gigabyte fan :pfff:  I don't think you'll miss anything for getting that MSI board instead of Giagbyte one.
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a c 75 V Motherboard
June 22, 2013 6:18:17 AM

i tend to avoid msi boards unless you are talking about their mpower series.
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June 22, 2013 9:52:32 AM


Hm. I'm not sure who I should go with here.

On one hand troll is a moderator and motherboard authority. But madn3ss is a motherboard master.

Most of the stuff I've heard about the msi board is good. It generally has very good reviews.

While the gigabyte one I can barely find anything on it. Except for those 2 negative reviews on amazon. Nothing else I could find on it. I know just 2 reviews on a board that came out 3 weeks ago isn't really solid ground to make a decision on.

But still, you can't fault me for being a bit worried about it.

I'm not really sure if I want to make a blind leap on a motherboard without proper reviews and barely any coverage.

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a c 75 V Motherboard
June 22, 2013 10:16:46 AM

flip a coin and pick one. the gigabyte beats the msi in terms of the vrm and the extra SLI bridge and sata cables but the msi has better networking and sound
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a c 134 V Motherboard
June 22, 2013 10:23:35 PM

Yea, just flip a coin. MSI one will look cooler through the side window of your case, thou.
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June 24, 2013 11:35:57 AM

Thank you very much both of you for your time and putting up with my many, many questions.

I ending up flipping a coin like both of you suggested and it landed on tails (MSI).

Although to be honest I probably would have ended up choosing the msi one anyway. But the coin flip sped it up very much. I just like it more visually since I don't like to dull grey and black looking gigabyte one. Also the MSI seemed to be a bit more 'new' friendly.

I don't know who I should give best answer too tho. So I might just leave it unsolved if that's okay. Unless one of you wish to be the best answer.

Again, thank you. Thank you both very much.
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a c 75 V Motherboard
June 24, 2013 11:45:24 AM

doesnt matter. if you would like me to close off the thread, i can do that for you
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June 24, 2013 1:40:06 PM

TheBigTroll said:
doesnt matter. if you would like me to close off the thread, i can do that for you


Sure.

It wont like mark my account as bad or anything will it? Or delete it were people can't see it anymore will it?

I'd like to have it were if someone in a similar situation could find and read this thread for help if they would like.
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a c 75 V Motherboard
June 24, 2013 1:43:57 PM

no. closing a thread just means that further posts are not allowed to be put onto the thread. prevents someone 3 years later digging up this thread and posting answers
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