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June 21, 2013 5:50:59 AM

Need helping in choosing the best AMD CPU for my setup. Money is not an option as I have enough to cover any AMD CPU AM3+ (Just sold alot of stuff sitting around gathering dust) . Here is my setup.

MB- ASUS M5A97 R2.0
GPU- MSI 7770 GHz Edition
RAM-Corsair Vengence DDR3 1600MHz (12gb, 3 X 4gb)
PSU- Corsair CX600
Cooler- Corsair H55
HDD- Samsung 640 SSD
Case- Antec 900

Currently I am running an AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE
I want to choose the "best" processor for gaming and my setup, not necessarily the most expensive.

Thanks for your input

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June 21, 2013 6:04:31 AM

I would keep your CPU and upgrade your GPU. You'll see a much greater gaming performance increase. The Phenom II X4 is still a great gaming CPU, so I would stick with that until you're ready to upgrade you're whole platform (i.e. Mobo & CPU).

Running a 7770, you should try to upgrade to a 7850 or GTX 650 Ti Boost at a minimum. If you watch the specials, you can find a GTX 660 or HD 7870 GHz edition for the $165-175 price range if you wait for one with a good rebate. Whatever you get, make sure it has at least 2GB ram.

If you're not OC'ing your Phenom II, you should be able to get 4.0 Ghz easy out of that chip with a decent cooler - that will be a noticeable performance increase over stock.
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June 21, 2013 6:08:34 AM

if 10fps or less is worth the expense, or if you have no need for a 6 or 8core processor, I don't see a big need to upgrade. If you do, one of the cheaper 8cores might fit the bill......????

otherwise an Intel 2500/2600 would trounce most usages right now.
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June 21, 2013 6:18:27 AM

Thanks for the quick reply and thanks for your input.
I was also contemplating upgrading the GPU, what I was weighing was if the overall performance boost would come from upgrading to a newer CPU which should help with the physics, speed of reading the ram, and just overall faster performance from just being newer tech, or just from upgrading the GPU?
I am having a hard time finding a quantitative answer.
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June 21, 2013 6:27:53 AM

I just recently upgraded from a Phenom II 940 mildly oc'ed to just above 965 stock range to a 3570k and kept the same graphics card, 6870. I honestly don't notice a difference between the two cpu's. So my advice would be to upgrade your video card to a 7870xt, about 250 dollars and wait for the next release of amd cpu's. They will be socket AM3+, so you're good there. Tinker around and find a mild to decent overclock as well on the 965 if you aren't doing so already.
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June 21, 2013 6:29:07 AM

Here are some reference points. Tom's "Best Gaming CPU's for the Money". Upgrading from a Phenom II to a FX 4300 gives no noticeable increase in Gaming. The same will hold true for even the best current AMD chips. Here is a link to the summary page, but the whole article gives you a good overview of CPUs for gaming:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

Now, you put that up against an upgrade in your graphics card. Upgrading to a 7850 or 650 Ti-Boost will give you about a 50% increase in gaming performance. If you can grab a 660 or 7870 Ghz edition on special, that will give you a 80-90% performance increase. Reference Tom's "Best GPUs for the Money".

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

You can also Google GPU reviews from other sites that will show you the expected performance increase by upgrading your GPU.

Bottom line is, unless you have another use case where you need like 6 or 8 cores (i.e. Video encoding, rendering, etc), you will get very little noticeable increase by upgrading from your Phenom II to another AMD chip. Upgrading your GPU IMO is your best bet for a gaming performance boost.
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June 21, 2013 6:29:37 AM

:edit: stupid double post.
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June 21, 2013 6:34:32 AM

vertexx said:
Here are some reference points. Tom's "Best Gaming CPU's for the Money". Upgrading from a Phenom II to a FX 4300 gives no noticeable increase in Gaming. The same will hold true for even the best current AMD chips. Here is a link to the summary page, but the whole article gives you a good overview of CPUs for gaming:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

Now, you put that up against an upgrade in your graphics card. Upgrading to a 7850 or 650 Ti-Boost will give you about a 50% increase in gaming performance. If you can grab a 660 or 7870 Ghz edition on special, that will give you a 80-90% performance increase. Reference Tom's "Best GPUs for the Money".

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

You can also Google GPU reviews from other sites that will show you the expected performance increase by upgrading your GPU.

Bottom line is, unless you have another use case where you need like 6 or 8 cores (i.e. Video encoding, rendering, etc), you will get very little noticeable increase by upgrading from your Phenom II to another AMD chip. Upgrading your GPU IMO is your best bet for a gaming performance boost.


Thanks for the info,
Exactly what I was looking for!!!!
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June 21, 2013 6:45:16 AM

23bobbyg said:


Thanks for the info,
Exactly what I was looking for!!!!


Great! Glad I could help!
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June 21, 2013 6:49:39 AM

23bobbyg said:
vertexx said:
Here are some reference points. Tom's "Best Gaming CPU's for the Money". Upgrading from a Phenom II to a FX 4300 gives no noticeable increase in Gaming. The same will hold true for even the best current AMD chips. Here is a link to the summary page, but the whole article gives you a good overview of CPUs for gaming:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

Now, you put that up against an upgrade in your graphics card. Upgrading to a 7850 or 650 Ti-Boost will give you about a 50% increase in gaming performance. If you can grab a 660 or 7870 Ghz edition on special, that will give you a 80-90% performance increase. Reference Tom's "Best GPUs for the Money".

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

You can also Google GPU reviews from other sites that will show you the expected performance increase by upgrading your GPU.

Bottom line is, unless you have another use case where you need like 6 or 8 cores (i.e. Video encoding, rendering, etc), you will get very little noticeable increase by upgrading from your Phenom II to another AMD chip. Upgrading your GPU IMO is your best bet for a gaming performance boost.


Thanks for the info,
Exactly what I was looking for!!!!


Actually, upgrading to the FX8350 would make a noticeable difference. You gain more clockspeed and better IPC as well as more cores.

Upgrading your GPU would make a much more noticeable difference in games though if you OC your Phenom II.

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June 21, 2013 6:55:21 AM

So if given the option between upgrading to a FX 8350 or a MSI N650ti-2GD5/OC BE GeForce GTX 650 Ti BOOST which should I go with if looking for gaming performance upgrade?
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June 21, 2013 7:00:36 AM

Well...for that money range...I would go with something like this:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/his-video-card-h785qt2g2m

That HIS HD 7850 OC edition is $188 after shipping, but it will be quite a bit more potent and come with a free game (or 2, can't recall what the offer is currently). So, if it's a game you would buy anyway...you'd be saving $30-50 on the game and get a slightly better card.
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June 21, 2013 7:11:07 AM

Ok, if you want to buy a lesser GPU...then buy the lesser GPU. I was making a recommendation to buy a better GPU for similar money.
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June 21, 2013 7:14:57 AM

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Ok, if you want to buy a lesser GPU...then buy the lesser GPU. I was making a recommendation to buy a better GPU for similar money.


I apologize, did not see your response before I posted. This is a great deal! you would purchase this HIS ICEQ Turbo GPU above the FX 8350?
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June 21, 2013 7:21:15 AM

Yes, in your situation I would...that GPU will be very effective.
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June 21, 2013 7:22:07 AM

8350rocks said:
Yes, in your situation I would...that GPU will be very effective.


Thank you!
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June 21, 2013 7:22:43 AM

No problem.
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June 21, 2013 7:26:11 AM

Take a look at this. If you have the cash and are willing to do the rebate, this is $175 after the $20 rebate:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you want to stay with AMD, then I would wait for a special on a 7870 GHz edition. Just last weekend, there was a 7870 for $175 with a Newegg Promo code and rebates.

If you can grab it, get the 660 linked above, or subscriber to the Newegg emails for the promos, and watch/wait for a 7870 Ghz Edition promo.

But if you want something now, the 650 TI Boost you linked would be a great upgrade.
Enjoy!
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June 21, 2013 7:34:58 AM

vertexx said:
Take a look at this. If you have the cash and are willing to do the rebate, this is $175 after the $20 rebate:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you want to stay with AMD, then I would wait for a special on a 7870 GHz edition. Just last weekend, there was a 7870 for $175 with a Newegg Promo code and rebates.

If you can grab it, get the 660 linked above, or subscriber to the Newegg emails for the promos, and watch/wait for a 7870 Ghz Edition promo.

But if you want something now, the 650 TI Boost you linked would be a great upgrade.
Enjoy!


Thanks guys, all signs point to upgrading the GPU to at least a 7870 instead of purchasing a CPU upgrade. I am glad I asked your opinions.

Proverbs 24:3-7

By wisdom a house is built, and by understanding it is established; by knowledge the rooms are filled with all precious and pleasant riches. A wise man is full of strength, and a man of knowledge enhances his might, for by wise guidance you can wage your war, and in abundance of counselors there is victory. Wisdom is too high for a fool; in the gate he does not open his mouth.

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June 21, 2013 7:40:21 AM

Benchmarks of that HD 7850 vs. several other cards:









Be sure you update to newest version of Catalyst drivers.
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June 21, 2013 7:51:50 AM

The above review is a bit dated. The 650ti Boost beats the 7850 in most games according to most reviews I've seen. A good one is linked here:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_650_Ti_Boost...

I run a Phenom IIx4 965 overclocked to 4.0 Ghz plus a Powercolor HD 7850 overclocked to 1050 Mhz. The 7850 overclocked is a great card. But if I were buying today, I would probably buy the 650 TI Boost.

Again, better yet, find a 7870 Ghz edition on special and overclock that.
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June 21, 2013 8:43:49 AM

The GTX 650Ti Boost doesn't beat the GTX 660, and the HIS ICEQ Turbo is clocked @ 1.1 GHz...it's also a bit ahead of the GTX 660.

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June 21, 2013 8:50:54 AM

but the 965 doesn't have enough oomph to push the 660 for best performance. I found it needs a better processor.......
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June 21, 2013 8:52:31 AM

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but the 965 doesn't have enough oomph to push the 660 for best performance. I found it needs a better processor.......


does it have enough to push the 650?
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June 21, 2013 8:57:48 AM

23bobbyg said:
swifty_morgan said:
but the 965 doesn't have enough oomph to push the 660 for best performance. I found it needs a better processor.......


does it have enough to push the 650?


If you OC your P2X4 you'll be fine...you should be able to get 4.0+ GHz out of your CPU. It won't bottleneck anything then...at least not up to a HD 7850...if you go into a high end 7870...like a 7870LE or 7870XT...then you might run into issues there.
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June 21, 2013 9:04:30 AM

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23bobbyg said:
swifty_morgan said:
but the 965 doesn't have enough oomph to push the 660 for best performance. I found it needs a better processor.......


does it have enough to push the 650?


If you OC your P2X4 you'll be fine...you should be able to get 4.0+ GHz out of your CPU. It won't bottleneck anything then...at least not up to a HD 7850...if you go into a high end 7870...like a 7870LE or 7870XT...then you might run into issues there.


Thanks
Right now its OCed to 3.8ghz with very little effort and running very stable.
So 650 Ti or HD7850 with my setup in your opinion?
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June 21, 2013 9:09:40 AM

HIS HD 7850...much better...it outperforms a GTX 660.
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June 21, 2013 10:45:33 AM

No problem man :) 
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June 21, 2013 10:57:49 AM

Good choice! It's a toss up between the 650ti Boost and the 7850. With my setup, I have the P2X4 965 OC'd to 4.0Ghz and my 7850 OC'd to 1050Mhz. I run mostly an extremely heavily modded Skyrim (100+ mods, hi-res packs, ENB, Ultra Everything), which is CPU intensive with no problems. My CPU is never a bottle-neck.

The IceQ OC'd to 1000Mhz - will be a good setup for you. Enjoy!
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June 21, 2013 11:11:27 AM

vertexx said:
Good choice! It's a toss up between the 650ti Boost and the 7850. With my setup, I have the P2X4 965 OC'd to 4.0Ghz and my 7850 OC'd to 1050Mhz. I run mostly an extremely heavily modded Skyrim (100+ mods, hi-res packs, ENB, Ultra Everything), which is CPU intensive with no problems. My CPU is never a bottle-neck.

The IceQ OC'd to 1000Mhz - will be a good setup for you. Enjoy!

How much RAM do you have and what Freq is it running, How bout PSU?
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June 21, 2013 11:16:26 AM

23bobbyg said:
vertexx said:
Good choice! It's a toss up between the 650ti Boost and the 7850. With my setup, I have the P2X4 965 OC'd to 4.0Ghz and my 7850 OC'd to 1050Mhz. I run mostly an extremely heavily modded Skyrim (100+ mods, hi-res packs, ENB, Ultra Everything), which is CPU intensive with no problems. My CPU is never a bottle-neck.

The IceQ OC'd to 1000Mhz - will be a good setup for you. Enjoy!

How much RAM do you have and what Freq is it running, How bout PSU?


Standard 8GB DDR3-1600. PSU is Corsair CX600. I'm also driving a single 1080p monitor.
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June 21, 2013 11:23:59 AM

vertexx said:
23bobbyg said:
vertexx said:
Good choice! It's a toss up between the 650ti Boost and the 7850. With my setup, I have the P2X4 965 OC'd to 4.0Ghz and my 7850 OC'd to 1050Mhz. I run mostly an extremely heavily modded Skyrim (100+ mods, hi-res packs, ENB, Ultra Everything), which is CPU intensive with no problems. My CPU is never a bottle-neck.

The IceQ OC'd to 1000Mhz - will be a good setup for you. Enjoy!

How much RAM do you have and what Freq is it running, How bout PSU?


Standard 8GB DDR3-1600. PSU is Corsair CX600. I'm also driving a 1080p monitor.


THanks. Makes me feel very comfortable with my purchase. I just want to spend my money wisely.

Anyone need a gently used MSI R7770 2PMD1GD5 at a very good price?
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June 25, 2013 6:59:48 AM

Well, sold my PS3 and all my games and decided to go strictly PC.
Purchased an FX 8550, MSI TwinFrozer III 660 OC, and a Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo. Got deals on all these items at the Egg.
How do you guys think this will do with the rest of my setup?

Thanks for the help
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June 25, 2013 8:04:11 AM

23bobbyg said:
Well, sold my PS3 and all my games and decided to go strictly PC.
Purchased an FX 8550, MSI TwinFrozer III 660 OC, and a Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo. Got deals on all these items at the Egg.
How do you guys think this will do with the rest of my setup?

Thanks for the help


You purchased an FX8550 or 8350?
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June 25, 2013 8:14:05 AM

Sorry, FX 8350
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June 25, 2013 9:46:00 AM

Looks like an awesome system - enjoy!
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June 25, 2013 10:07:18 AM

Thanks, I just hope to be able to run most games at a decent frame rate and with decent graphics. I got FarCry 3 and Metro Last Night with my purchases and this will be my first PC games.
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