32GB RAM, Now What? - Photo Editing

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My hobby is photography. I did use an old 2-core laptop with 6GB RAM to photo edit for years. Lately it had been getting hotter and hotter to the point between each image processed it would overheat and shut down. When rotating the laptop when it was on I could hear solid debris crashing against the cooling blade fans.

I finally decided it was time to buy a desktop, because I realized 99% of my edits I did right from my desk so I could review on my big monitor.

- So I got myself an XPS 8500, I7-3440, 2TB HDD that had Windows 7 (this is not actually accurate... I had first bought an HP Envy with AMD FX6200 Windows 8 system that ended up with hardware issues, so I returned it within 2 weeks for the Dell, which was on special for about the same price as the Envy - but only had Windows 7)

- The XPS using Windows 7 actually felt slower than the Envy in Windows 8 + I missed some of the features to consolidate my web pictures that W8 offered

- So I spent some money to upgrade to Windows 8

- But while doing my homework (after buying the Envy), I convinced myself I needed an SSD... so then added a Samsung 840pro SSD to the 2 TB HDD (and, BTW, I already own a 1TB WD external HDD for backup... FYI, these RAW photo images these days are around 20MB each and on a good photo shoot I can easily take over 500 images in 1 day - 10GB)

- But while researching the SDD, I saw many photo editors really recommended a lot of RAM... If you stitch together a panorama with a bunch of 20MB images a lot of RAM really speeds the process. So now I just installed 32GB of Vengeance 1600 RAM

- Now this system just has a Radeon 7570 GPU, but funny thing about photo editing, there is no need for even a mediocre GPU... and I don't play video games, so I really am set there... which also means I do not need to upgrade my 460W PSU

The system I have now is probably 10X more than I really need... it really is an amazing upgrade from what I had been gimping along with... I should be set for years. But over the past 3 weeks I can now see how people can get drawn into this whole computer hardware obsession/passion/hobby... I've been like that for a while with cameras.

So now how do I walk away from the fun I just had over the last 3 weeks with computers? The only remaining thing is to replace my big monitor with a big IPS monitor and then color correct it... and I'm done... back to photography.

In hindsight, I could have built what I just bought and saved a couple hundred dollars... but how did I know I was going to get sucked into the "upgrade" spiral?

Anyway, if there are any photographers out there with some suggestions where I need to improve relative to hardware that I have not listed, please advise.
 

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Any recommendations? Would have to be IPS. Who are the better monitor makers? I assume there are just a couple of LED screen makers that everyone rebrands. Any LED manufacturer better than another and what OEMs buy them?
 

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I would have to disagree being a photographer myself. You are better off with two IPS monitors. I would recommend that you use 1920x1080/1200 monitors and IPS is a must. I would get two Asus 24" IPS panels because they "only" cost $300 a piece and they have 4 USB 3.0 ports per monitor.

If you did want to spend a bit more, the Dell 27" IPS monitors are considerably better because of there 2560x1440 displays - but they cost $630 :( (although 2 of them are still cheaper than a 2560x1600 panel!)

Here are links to the monitors:

Asus 24"
http://www.amazon.com/PA248Q-24-Inch-LED-Lit-Professional-Graphics/dp/B008DWH00K/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1372195683&sr=1-1&keywords=2560x1440

Dell 27"
http://www.amazon.com/Dell-U2713HM-IPS-LED-CVN85-27-Inch-LED-lit/dp/B009H0XQQY/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1372195683&sr=1-6&keywords=2560x1440

Hope this helps and have fun taking photographs!
 

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Thanks King Hackintosh. I'm not sure my cheapo Radeon 7570 GPU allows for 2 monitors... if not, could end up becoming an expensive proposition. But nice alternatives to consider.
 

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Well that card sure couldn't handle a 2560x1600 so you might end up having to get a new card :(. Maybe the two Asus monitors which cost $580 for two would be good and then get a GTX 760 for $250 to power the monitors. That would be $830 which is cheap compared to a 2560x1600 which run around $1200!
 

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Actually according to Dell your graphics card "offers single or dual monitor support for VGA, Single DVI, Dual DVI, or HDMI via available DisplayPort and Dual DVI-i dongles or adapters" so you are all set to run dual monitors off of that setup (although it won't be the most powerful thing on earth).
 

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Thanks. As with everything on these Dell systems, it is not always so obvious. Many issues trying to sort through the right RAM, but got that figured out. See this link... plenty more on the web with XPS 8500 users having difficulties getting both monitors running.

http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3514/p/19448089/20104572.aspx#20104572

or

http://commweb-ps3.us.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3515/t/19489514.aspx

So, sounds like it is ultimately doable but not intuitive.
 

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Yup I see what you are saying... But my mom has 2 Dell U2412Ms on a craptastic Dell T3500 using mega-cheapo Quatro 600 graphics... I know I am probably becoming increasingly less helpful because of my dual monitor love but I'm just trying to help out a fellow photographer :) I really hope you can get two monitors up and running because (in my opinion) it is a bit of a must for photo editing... If you would prefer not to take that risk and/or don't want to spend the extra $150 on a GTX 650 Ti that could handle the dual monitors, then I'd suggest one large 27" 2560x1440 monitor. These typically run for around $600-$1000 dollars so getting dual monitors is more cost effective...
 

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Very interesting. Thanks. Considering I will not be gaming... and not delivering long continuous load makes me feel better about considering. The way some of these "enthusiasts" post about power supply makes you think a system cannot function without 750W no matter what the situation... and are likely the ones that recommend 32GB-64GB RAM at any cost.

Reading some other reviews on this card suggest you and Newegg are right and my 460W PSU can handle it.
 

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Yes it should handle such a low powered card without a breaking a sweat! As you correctly pointed out, photo editing does not require expensive graphics so an inexpensive (but still far better than what you have now) nVidia card will do just fine. I recommend the EVGA brand, mostly because of their unsurpassed customer service (I once thought I was having trouble with a GTX 670 bought from them and even though the problem turned out to be RAM, I sent them an email at 2am and they gave me instructions on how to fix my problem in the middle of the night on a Sunday!)
 

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OK... I'm convinced. Now just need to find ~$700. My 11 year old son's (inherited from us) laptop has recent overheating issues and can hear chunky debris clicking off the cooling fan if the laptop is rotated... so have semi-committed to working with him to build a computer before the school year begins, so there is another $700-$1K. Maybe I try to disassemble to repair/replace fan to save money. Hmmm.
 

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Hmmm... I would try to replace the fan if possible for sure... Here are the links to the monitor and video card:

Asus PA248Q IPS monitor

http://www.amazon.com/computers-accessories/dp/B008DWH00K

EVGA GTX 650 Ti 2gb

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Dual-Link-Graphics-01G-P4-3651-KR-02G-P4-3651-KR/dp/B009KUT3D6/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1372272425&sr=1-1&keywords=EVGA+gtx+650+ti+2gb

This setup comes out to $745...

If your son's laptop is actually broken and not fixable, then you can build something like this - basic yet powerful enough for almost all tasks:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1axuA

Or if he wants a laptop, Samsung's ultra simple yet nice Chromebook has received tons of praise:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-XE303C12-A01US-Chromebook-Wi-Fi-11-6-Inch/dp/B009LL9VDG/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1372273143&sr=1-1&keywords=chromebook

Hope this helps you out... By the way what CPU do you have -- there is no such thing as an i7-3440 and I am interested in finding out what internal graphics it uses...
 

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Ok got it... I would suggest opening your son's computer to remove the fan (I did it once before), because you have to open it up from the keyboard side -- which involves a high risk of messing up the laptop (if his laptop is the same as mine). You would also have to find a new fan that fits, re-apply the thermal paste to the now exposed CPU, and that right there is a big risk -- especially if you have never build a computer before. So I'd suggest bringing it a professional to do it.