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June 26, 2013 3:12:11 AM

Hey guys, right now I'm finishing up the final touches to what will be my first PC build, here's the link on part picker:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1aoZU

Anyways, I'm kind of stuck between the I5-4670k Haswell or the I5-3570k Sandy Bridge. I've posted on other forums and some say that the Haswell is more powerful out of the box but that it overclocks worse and has overheating issues. So basically now I'm not sure if I want a Haswell... Another factor is the current deal that Newegg is offering with the 4th Generation processors and motherboards , it's enticing but at the same time it gives off red flags to me if Newegg is trying to get rid of their 4th gen CPU's already. Can someone lay out the pros and cons of the the I5-4670k compared to the I5-3570k? I'm mostly going to be using this PC for gaming and I do plan to run some demanding stuff on it, any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

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June 26, 2013 3:37:46 AM

Nah Newegg doesn't want to get rid of Haswell, and they can't do that even if they want. Those deals are great. With that deal, 4670k + motherboard combo should be cheaper than 3570k + Z77 motherboard at the same quality, giving you more money to spend on a better cooler, which will results in better CPU performance in the end.

There are also some imbalanced things in your setup, like 2 1tb HDD. Better grab a 2tb instead, and spend the rest on a SSD maybe?

Still under 1300$, I'd make a few changes to increase your overall PC experiment, like a SSD, better VGA card, better CPU cooler not so overkill PSU and a Corsair 500r instead of 400r. Also added in ODD because it seems like you forgot to add that:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($186.13 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($93.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1298.02
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-26 06:34 EDT-0400)

Reviews related to parts I swapped:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_770_TF_Gamin...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Phanteks/PH-TC12DX/6...
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
June 26, 2013 3:43:30 AM

Madn3ss795 said:
Nah Newegg doesn't want to get rid of Haswell, and they can't do that even if they want. Those deals are great. With that deal, 4670k + motherboard combo should be cheaper than 3570k + Z77 motherboard at the same quality, giving you more money to spend on a better cooler, which will results in better CPU performance in the end.

There are also some imbalanced things in your setup, like 2 1tb HDD. Better grab a 2tb instead, and spend the rest on a SSD maybe?

Still under 1300$, I'd make a few changes to increase your overall PC experiment, like a SSD, better VGA card, better CPU cooler not so overkill PSU and a Corsair 500r instead of 400r. Also added in ODD because it seems like you forgot to add that:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($186.13 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($93.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1298.02
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-26 06:34 EDT-0400)

Reviews related to parts I swapped:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_770_TF_Gamin...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Phanteks/PH-TC12DX/6...
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

Wow, thanks for all the incite. Only my 3rd post here and I'm already amazed at how helpful this website is. Will that cooling system be able to handle the Haswell? I keep getting told that you should have liquid cooling if you want to use it (which I have no experience with whatsoever). Also I'm thinking of just going down to a 620W PSU, would that work?http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-m12i...
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June 26, 2013 5:17:07 AM

Formae said:
Madn3ss795 said:
Nah Newegg doesn't want to get rid of Haswell, and they can't do that even if they want. Those deals are great. With that deal, 4670k + motherboard combo should be cheaper than 3570k + Z77 motherboard at the same quality, giving you more money to spend on a better cooler, which will results in better CPU performance in the end.

There are also some imbalanced things in your setup, like 2 1tb HDD. Better grab a 2tb instead, and spend the rest on a SSD maybe?

Still under 1300$, I'd make a few changes to increase your overall PC experiment, like a SSD, better VGA card, better CPU cooler not so overkill PSU and a Corsair 500r instead of 400r. Also added in ODD because it seems like you forgot to add that:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($186.13 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($93.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1298.02
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-26 06:34 EDT-0400)

Reviews related to parts I swapped:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_770_TF_Gamin...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Phanteks/PH-TC12DX/6...
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

Wow, thanks for all the incite. Only my 3rd post here and I'm already amazed at how helpful this website is. Will that cooling system be able to handle the Haswell? I keep getting told that you should have liquid cooling if you want to use it (which I have no experience with whatsoever). Also I'm thinking of just going down to a 620W PSU, would that work?http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-m12i...


Check the cooler review I posted. That Phanteks cooler is on par with a H80 from Corsair.

And yes, if you don't plan to setup SLI in the future then that PSU would work well.
June 26, 2013 5:42:14 AM

Madn3ss795 said:
Formae said:
Madn3ss795 said:
Nah Newegg doesn't want to get rid of Haswell, and they can't do that even if they want. Those deals are great. With that deal, 4670k + motherboard combo should be cheaper than 3570k + Z77 motherboard at the same quality, giving you more money to spend on a better cooler, which will results in better CPU performance in the end.

There are also some imbalanced things in your setup, like 2 1tb HDD. Better grab a 2tb instead, and spend the rest on a SSD maybe?

Still under 1300$, I'd make a few changes to increase your overall PC experiment, like a SSD, better VGA card, better CPU cooler not so overkill PSU and a Corsair 500r instead of 400r. Also added in ODD because it seems like you forgot to add that:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($186.13 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($93.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1298.02
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-26 06:34 EDT-0400)

Reviews related to parts I swapped:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_770_TF_Gamin...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Phanteks/PH-TC12DX/6...
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

Wow, thanks for all the incite. Only my 3rd post here and I'm already amazed at how helpful this website is. Will that cooling system be able to handle the Haswell? I keep getting told that you should have liquid cooling if you want to use it (which I have no experience with whatsoever). Also I'm thinking of just going down to a 620W PSU, would that work?http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-m12i...


Check the cooler review I posted. That Phanteks cooler is on par with a H80 from Corsair.

And yes, if you don't plan to setup SLI in the future then that PSU would work well.

Alright cool, thanks for the quick reply. Here's my current build.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1argj
I'm debating between the MSI and Gigabyte Card and going with the Phantek Cooler along with a 650W Power Supply, you think this is good so far?

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June 26, 2013 7:31:44 AM
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Just curious: Why don't you take a 120gb ssd as a fast boot drive and a 2TB HDD for all your other files instead? Those RAM sticks aren't the best at their price also. A quite old monitor and we can downgrade the PSU a bit also. Still around 1400$ with monitor included, it's possible to get you a Samsung 840 PRO 128gb, pretty much the SSD with best performance/price ratio nowadays:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($186.13 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($129.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($45.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VS247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1420.01
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-26 10:31 EDT-0400)

I still prefer the MSI card due to its better cooler, but the choice is still yours in the end :) 

June 26, 2013 10:39:49 AM

Madn3ss795 said:
Just curious: Why don't you take a 120gb ssd as a fast boot drive and a 2TB HDD for all your other files instead? Those RAM sticks aren't the best at their price also. A quite old monitor and we can downgrade the PSU a bit also. Still around 1400$ with monitor included, it's possible to get you a Samsung 840 PRO 128gb, pretty much the SSD with best performance/price ratio nowadays:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($186.13 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($129.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($45.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VS247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1420.01
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-26 10:31 EDT-0400)

I still prefer the MSI card due to its better cooler, but the choice is still yours in the end :) 


I might go with this, but I've heard that a 2 TB harddrive is more likely to fail sooner than two 1 TB ones. Also, thanks for the Ram change.

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June 26, 2013 6:05:39 PM

Nah, that's just the old days. Many people use even bigger HDDs ( 3TB ones ) for storage now.

And don't forget to pick the best answer when things got solved :bounce: 
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June 26, 2013 6:07:12 PM

Formae said:
Hey guys, right now I'm finishing up the final touches to what will be my first PC build, here's the link on part picker:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1aoZU

Anyways, I'm kind of stuck between the I5-4670k Haswell or the I5-3570k Sandy Bridge. I've posted on other forums and some say that the Haswell is more powerful out of the box but that it overclocks worse and has overheating issues. So basically now I'm not sure if I want a Haswell... Another factor is the current deal that Newegg is offering with the 4th Generation processors and motherboards , it's enticing but at the same time it gives off red flags to me if Newegg is trying to get rid of their 4th gen CPU's already. Can someone lay out the pros and cons of the the I5-4670k compared to the I5-3570k? I'm mostly going to be using this PC for gaming and I do plan to run some demanding stuff on it, any help would be appreciated. Thanks!


If you're wanting to overclock...go 3570k...it's dramatically better at it.
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