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June 27, 2013 5:27:02 PM

I'm thinking of building a new gaming / programming pc, and I was wondering if anyone with experience with water cooling could give me some pros and cons with it. Also I would like to know how much (of any) maintainince is needed. Thanks!

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a b 4 Gaming
June 27, 2013 5:33:27 PM

Do you plan on overclocking and is the noise level of your rig important to you?
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a b 4 Gaming
June 27, 2013 5:36:30 PM

As a starting point, I'd suggest an All-in-one water cooler. Check here for a number of articles on the subject: http://www.tomshardware.com/t/cooling/

For my second build, I ventured into a water-cooled all-in-one setup. It was easy. Depending on your case, it can result in a much cleaner overall build. However, if you select a quality air cooler, the cooling performance can be just as good and overall quieter.

With mine, I'm overclocking a Phenom II X4 965 (125W) to 4.0Ghz in a Rosewill line M case. What I like about it is temps are very cool and stable. I swapped out the initial fan that came with the cooling kit for a quieter Noctua, and overall it's worked out very well.

Check out some of the ariticles. Anandtech also has a whole series of articles of the all-in-one water cooling setups vs. air cooling.
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a b 4 Gaming
June 27, 2013 5:37:09 PM

Pros:

More Case Room
Better temperatures(VERY SUBJECTIVE TO AMBIENT AND UNIT. low end WC serves no real benefit, except being low profile and being able to be bracket modified onto a gpu where significant drops in temperature(sometimes hovering around 20 degrees drop) can happen)
Aesthetically cleaner
no heavy piece of metal on motherboard
custom loops can extend to gpu, where the gpu significantly sees temperature drops

Cons
Can get costly if going full custom
User damage to electrical hardware


Maintenance is dependant. an AIO unit(astek and coolit units like Corsairs, NZXT, Antec) are low maintanance and once installed, just routinely clean for dust like any heatsink. For a full loop, you have to top off liquid every once in awhile, possibly change tubing if tubing is not to your aesthical desire. Risk of pump damage as well.


as of the current moment, fans and heatsinks have evolved so much that top end heatsinks can surpass somewhat more expensive AIO in both performance and silence at stock cooling. the gains in watercooling are much more minimal now then it was several years ago.
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June 27, 2013 7:55:57 PM

I take my PC around a lot so I recently got a NZXT Kraken X40. It is nice knowing i dont have a heavy piece of metal and fan (I had the 212 EVO) stressing my MB when my case is travelling. I have an 8350 at stock speeds and my gaming temps never go over the mid 30's. Best of all closed loops are zero maintenance. However they are a bit pricey I think it was $80 or so. Anyway Toms did a great roundup for closed loop a little while back so thats why i got this one.
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a b 4 Gaming
June 27, 2013 9:19:35 PM

Are we talking CLC or Custom loops here?
Because they are vastly different beasts.
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June 28, 2013 3:02:41 AM

manofchalk said:
Are we talking CLC or Custom loops here?
Because they are vastly different beasts.


Could you explain them?
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June 28, 2013 3:05:15 AM

slomo4sho said:
Do you plan on overclocking and is the noise level of your rig important to you?


I'm getting an intel i7 so if overclocking is easy I'll do it.
I do want my pc to be quiet, but it doesn't have to be silent.
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a b 4 Gaming
June 28, 2013 5:31:52 AM

CLC or Closed Loop Cooler. Basically your Corsair Hydro, NZXT Kraken, Coolermaster Seidon type units. They come pre-packaged, assembled and filled out of the box. They offer similar performance to equivalent air-coolers, for instance a H100i performs about the same as a NH-D14 for a fair bit more.

Custom loop you buy the pump, radiator, block and reservoir individually (though there are kit options) and put it together yourself. Costs a lot more than a CLC option, but performs far better and offers much greater flexibility in what you can do with it (you can add GPU's into the loop). Lot more complicated to figure out, and relatively more maintenance (though if you do it right then its pretty minimal).
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June 28, 2013 7:03:55 AM

manofchalk said:
CLC or Closed Loop Cooler. Basically your Corsair Hydro, NZXT Kraken, Coolermaster Seidon type units. They come pre-packaged, assembled and filled out of the box. They offer similar performance to equivalent air-coolers, for instance a H100i performs about the same as a NH-D14 for a fair bit more.

Custom loop you buy the pump, radiator, block and reservoir individually (though there are kit options) and put it together yourself. Costs a lot more than a CLC option, but performs far better and offers much greater flexibility in what you can do with it (you can add GPU's into the loop). Lot more complicated to figure out, and relatively more maintenance (though if you do it right then its pretty minimal).


I'm looking for something around $60 that requires little to no maintenance. And I am planning to move my pc around a lot so if you have any recommendations for me that would be great. I don't mind putting it together myself as long as its not too difficult.
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a b 4 Gaming
June 28, 2013 7:24:17 AM

MrScribble said:


I'm looking for something around $60 that requires little to no maintenance. And I am planning to move my pc around a lot so if you have any recommendations for me that would be great. I don't mind putting it together myself as long as its not too difficult.


Most of the entry level Close Loop systems are all manufactured by Asetek. You'll have different fans and some provide different controlling software. But if all you want is bare-bones entry level liquid cooling, I'd just recommend picking up whatever 120mm cooling setup is on special. Currently this one is the best deal with a $30 rebate:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And this is just a link to all the systems on Newegg sorted by price:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

By the way, what case are you planning on using?
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June 28, 2013 11:05:04 AM

vertexx said:
MrScribble said:


I'm looking for something around $60 that requires little to no maintenance. And I am planning to move my pc around a lot so if you have any recommendations for me that would be great. I don't mind putting it together myself as long as its not too difficult.


Most of the entry level Close Loop systems are all manufactured by Asetek. You'll have different fans and some provide different controlling software. But if all you want is bare-bones entry level liquid cooling, I'd just recommend picking up whatever 120mm cooling setup is on special. Currently this one is the best deal with a $30 rebate:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And this is just a link to all the systems on Newegg sorted by price:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

By the way, what case are you planning on using?


I'm planning to use this case; http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-caph410b1
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a b 4 Gaming
June 28, 2013 2:22:48 PM

MrScribble said:
I'm planning to use this case; http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-caph410b1

Perfect. The 120mm might look a little small in that case, but it's great for an entry point into water cooling. You'll be able to easily expand to a dual 120x240mm radiator setup or even a full custom loop if you eventually want to go that route.

You'll just want to install the radiator in one of the top fan slots so the hot CPU air ejects out the top. There are plenty of examples - just do a Google Images search on "NZXT Phantom 410 build water cooling", and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Have fun!
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a b 4 Gaming
June 28, 2013 2:32:29 PM

Like this:

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June 28, 2013 4:14:06 PM

vertexx said:
Like this:



Gorgeous setup! I have the same case Storm Stryker correct? Did you do any mods for the 120mm fan on top? Right now I have the radiator mounted on the back and the hoses look much to long i think iif I mounted it topside like yours it would be much more efficient and cleaner. What are your GPU's?
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a b 4 Gaming
June 28, 2013 4:48:16 PM

gity69 said:

Gorgeous setup! I have the same case Storm Stryker correct? Did you do any mods for the 120mm fan on top? Right now I have the radiator mounted on the back and the hoses look much to long i think iif I mounted it topside like yours it would be much more efficient and cleaner. What are your GPU's?

Haha - not mine. I just googled some pictures off the web to show an example of the case w/water cooling setup.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1371201/build-log-the-virus-...
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